[Archived] Rovers v QPR - 8th April, KO: 7.45

[AggyBlue]

A very good win and probably our best 90 minutes this season, in spells we were unplayable.

Jordan/Rudy even looked like a proper partnership. In fact every player played well and that hasn't happened before.

The team seems to be gelling nicely, it give hope that next season should be much better.

Can't understand Lowe getting slagged again though.

Roll on Saturday, COYB.

[Howler]

I'd given up on this season, now after two routine home wins against teams above us there is a glimmer of hope....its the hope that kills you! Fully expect a reality check in the next couple of a games but you never know....

Glad to hear the team played well. At the Ipswich game I saw the signs of Williamson's improvement and Keane looked pretty good at RB too. Conway/Gestede are a real handful, great signings by Bowyer.

In about 12 games (?) I wouldn't be suprised if Conway has been more productive (assists and goals) than any other midfielder all season.

[onlyonejackwalker]

How strange that Lowe doesn't feature in a single action shot.

Your constant sniping at Lowe is getting a bit dull, but you know that already.

May I ask? Why do you think Bowyer and his team rate him so highly and select him most weeks? I'm hoping for something a bit more detailed and advanced than 'teachers pet'.

[Parsonblue]

Morning Bowyer posse. Pass on my regards to Gaz won't you.

I used to think Team GB meant Rovers but it's actually Gaz, Parson, Chaddy and JBizzle.

Why don't you put us on ignore Stuart if people actually supporting the club, manager and players annoys you so much. It would make your life much easier.

[chaddyrovers]

Why don't you put us on ignore Stuart if people actually supporting the club, manager and players annoys you so much. It would make your life much easier.

good point ParsonBlue again by you.

Lowe had a good game. but clearly he has a small hate mob who will hate him until he leaves the club cannot give him credit.

clearly Stuart you cant praise Lowe when he had a good game but you can moan about when he had a poor game

last night performance was excellent but still fee people will only focus on the negative points.

[rog of the rovers]

I'd given up on this season, now after two routine home wins against teams above us there is a glimmer of hope....its the hope that kills you! Fully expect a reality check in the next couple of a games but you never know....

Glad to hear the team played well. At the Ipswich game I saw the signs of Williamson's improvement and Keane looked pretty good at RB too. Conway/Gestede are a real handful, great signings by Bowyer.

In about 12 games (?) I wouldn't be suprised if Conway has been more productive (assists and goals) than any other midfielder all season.

League Assists and Goals from the ''Midfielders''

Cairney - 7 assists, 3 goals (32 starts, 1 sub)

Dunn - 6 assists, 4 goals (14 starts, 8 sub)

Conway - 6 assists, 3 goals (11 starts, 2 sub)

King - 3 assists, 2 goals (17 starts, 11 sub)

Lowe - 2 assists, 1 goal (35 starts)

Marshall - 1 assist, 2 goals (13 starts, 5 sub)

Evans - 1 assist, 1 goal (14 starts, 3 sub)

Taylor - 1 assist, 0 goals (14 starts, 18 sub)

Williamson - 0 assists, 0 goals (20 starts, 9 sub)

Etuhu - 0 assists, 0 goals (3 sub)

Olsson - 0 assists, 0 goals (1 start, 4 sub)

Marrow - 0 assists, 0 goals (2 start, 1 sub)

Feeney - 0 assists, 0 goals (1 start, 2 sub)

Rochina - 0 assists, 0 goals (2 start, 3 sub)

Judge - 0 assists, 0 goals (7 starts, 4 sub)

Nunes - 0 assists, 0 goals (1 sub)

[Tom]

On Lowe I thought he was ok enough and certainly not stand out bad but I agree with Stuart that Bowyer singling him out for praise had nothing to do with his actual performance because there were a good handful of players out there who performed better.

As long as we keep winning I don't care who's selected in the long run it's just when stubbornness in picking favourites ends up being to the detriment of the team

[Stuart]

Your constant sniping at Lowe is getting a bit dull, but you know that already.

May I ask? Why do you think Bowyer and his team rate him so highly and select him most weeks? I'm hoping for something a bit more detailed and advanced than 'teachers pet'.

Bit of a pointless question given your opening sentence but as you have asked reasonably nicely...

I've said before that I expect he is a professional's player and could be the glue holding a good team together. I also think that he is young enough to eventually, possibly justify a future transfer fee - certainly when compared to Williamson. I have also said that if I believed we had time to rebuild over a few years, I might hold a different opinion and be more patient. After all he is only 22. To do that we need to be in a healthy financial position; not under a shadow cast by FFP; and have the owners come out and back us definitively. However, nobody picks up on my comments when I do so nor wants to include our financial issues in their thinking because they would prefer to put their hands over their ears and hope it will all be ok, and then give an opinion which does not buy into that unfortunate reality.

I have watched Lowe play and formed an opinion about his lack of ability. He allows his opponents to receive the ball under no pressure; he runs with them and does not tackle; and passes the ball backwards 99% of the time. He is an 'OPTA stats' player, playing the percentages, not a 'football pitch' player, and will always score highly because of his total avoidance of risk. He simply covers a lot of ground because he is a strong athlete.

However, I will concede that his lack of footballing ability can be accommodated if everyone else to works at full pelt for 90 minutes. This may work on occasion in our stronger sides but a weakened line up exposes his own weaknesses and he can no longer be carried. If I thought Bowyer had spotted this and used him accordingly, I could accept him for the squad player he ought to be but Bowyer will play Lowe at every opportunity. I cannot say what Bowyer's reasons are but I would guess he is a reflection of Bowyer's reputation. He is Bowyer's man from the ranks and if he goes on to play for a PL team, plays for England or simply commands a decent transfer fee then it's a feather in Bowyer's cap.

At least I waited more than ONE GAME to point out the momentum we generated WITHOUT Lowe. The pro-Lowe contingent are getting a little carried away in my view.

[AndyNeil]

bit late to join the post match thread I know, but thought that we played well in patches last night although I thought QPR were poor - very poor.

Still probably to late for the play offs, but maybe not a bad thing as we are nowhere ready to go up. Keep the squad together with a couple of quality additions along with trying to get rid of some of the deadwood and keeping key players injury free, and we SHOULD be able to sustain a play off push for next season. Still not 100% sure that Bowyer is the man to take us up, but at least we seem to be heading in the right direction.

Unbeaten in 7 now, the but many draws and that will ultimately leave us about 2-3 points short of a top 6 finish.

[Neal]

On Lowe I thought he was ok enough and certainly not stand out bad but I agree with Stuart that Bowyer singling him out for praise had nothing to do with his actual performance because there were a good handful of players out there who performed better.

As long as we keep winning I don't care who's selected in the long run it's just when stubbornness in picking favourites ends up being to the detriment of the team

Correct. As most of you know, I've been a big critic of Lowe but last night he played well. I think a big part of this was due to defending from the front though, it certainly takes the pressure off he and Williamson and allows the wingers to get forward. I don't think we can use them this effectively every week, I believe a against some teams next season we're going to need Cairney to sit in and keep hold of the ball, especially if Rudy gets injured.

Just to add, personally i think our best midfield would be Conway, Evans, Cairney and Marshall/King... Which would leave him as a squad player. At this moment in time, being an England under 21 INT etc... I think we could get decent money for him and I'd sell.

[jim mk2]

I have watched Lowe play and formed an opinion about his lack of ability. H.

Fair enough but why not leave it at that instead of repeating it ad nauseum, especially when he has played well ?

Mentioned the whole team for plaudits last night but leaving out Lowe was plain silly.

You're coming across as a sad little man.

[Stuart]

You're coming across as a sad little man.

Why aren't you still banned, has there been an amnesty? Can we expect VinjayMCFC at any moment?

(See OOJW, this is why I no longer put thought into explaining myself. What's the point?)

[onlyonejackwalker]

Bit of a pointless question given your opening sentence but as you have asked reasonably nicely...

I've said before that I expect he is a professional's player and could be the glue holding a good team together. I also think that he is young enough to eventually, possibly justify a future transfer fee - certainly when compared to Williamson. I have also said that if I believed we had time to rebuild over a few years, I might hold a different opinion and be more patient. After all he is only 22. To do that we need to be in a healthy financial position; not under a shadow cast by FFP; and have the owners come out and back us definitively. However, nobody picks up on my comments when I do so nor wants to include our financial issues in their thinking because they would prefer to put their hands over their ears and hope it will all be ok, and then give an opinion which does not buy into that unfortunate reality.

I have watched Lowe play and formed an opinion about his lack of ability. He allows his opponents to receive the ball under no pressure; he runs with them and does not tackle; and passes the ball backwards 99% of the time. He is an 'OPTA stats' player, playing the percentages, not a 'football pitch' player, and will always score highly because of his total avoidance of risk. He simply covers a lot of ground because he is a strong athlete.

However, I will concede that his lack of footballing ability can be accommodated if everyone else to works at full pelt for 90 minutes. This may work on occasion in our stronger sides but a weakened line up exposes his own weaknesses and he can no longer be carried. If I thought Bowyer had spotted this and used him accordingly, I could accept him for the squad player he ought to be but Bowyer will play Lowe at every opportunity. I cannot say what Bowyer's reasons are but I would guess he is a reflection of Bowyer's reputation. He is Bowyer's man from the ranks and if he goes on to play for a PL team, plays for England or simply commands a decent transfer fee then it's a feather in Bowyer's cap.

At least I waited more than ONE GAME to point out the momentum we generated WITHOUT Lowe. The pro-Lowe contingent are getting a little carried away in my view.

Thanks for the reply. Not a pointless question at all as I only mentioned the sniping was dull, not informed reasoning and it is pleasing to see you discuss him sensibly without the first in last home, teachers pet, always brews up, yes men arguments that rattle my brain.

[jim mk2]

Why not address the post ? With regards to Lowe you're starting to tee people off and making yourself look silly.

[ABBEY]

Why not address the post ? With regards to Lowe you're starting to tee people off and making yourself look silly.

As opposed to creating accounts to escape bans ?

[onlyonejackwalker]

Why aren't you still banned, has there been an amnesty? Can we expect VinjayMCFC at any moment?

(See OOJW, this is why I no longer put thought into explaining myself. What's the point?)

Not sure WB is on the wind up. Some of his posts I completely agree with.

Genuinely you come across as a bit narrow on the Lowe debate, but I'm not taking sides as the childish personal comments are totally uncalled for and unnecessary.

There's often way too much emphasis placed on individual players and their impact good or bad. Burnley and Bournenouth highlight that this year, with organised and committed teams, clearly showing that the sum of the parts is far more important than any individual. And that includes both Jordan Rhodes and Jason Lowe at out club.

[meerkat]

As opposed to creating accounts to escape bans ?

You seem to be obsessed with this Abbey?

[booth]

Why not address the post ? With regards to Lowe you're starting to tee people off and making yourself look silly.

Heed his warning, he speaks from experience.

[Amo]

A good win and what sounds like an encouraging performance. One that reignites the faintest spark of reaching the playoffs for the dreamers.

As for Lowe & Williamson, fair play for tonight, but I wouldn't get carried away just yet. They need to show that level of performance on a consistent basis. One swallow does not a summer make, and they have hitherto proven to be a weak midfield duo that has arguably cost us a rueful amount of points.

[spiderpig]

Surely by stating as a fact that his opinion is being stated as fact, you are stating your opinion as a fact?

This is my favourite post ever . That is a fact !

[ABBEY]

You seem to be obsessed with this Abbey?

Omg got myself a new follower from thread to thread.. Chill dude life's too short.

[JBiz]

Chill dude life's too short.

If only you could apply that sentiment to your own posting!

[ABBEY]

If only you could apply that sentiment to your own posting!

Easter is a coming and I'm getting disciples .

[Tabula Rasa]

As opposed to creating accounts to escape bans ?

Terrible, that.

[Stuart]

Easter is a coming and I'm getting disciples .

Hope it clears up soon. You must be eggsasperated.