[Archived] Summer Transfers - In & Out

[tomphil]

Rudy and Rhodes lack experience ? I don't know how you come to that conclusion re Rhodes given the amount he's scored in the last 4 or 5 years he's been around. You'd give Alistair Campbell a run for his money when it comes to spin....If you think we can't find a back up striker better than Varney or who fits in the squad just as well for the same or less wages then I'm glad your not recruiting !

[stanhillrover]

In many ways similar to the first team and the club as a whole, the Under 21 setup has suffered from a period of neglect and bad management, brought about by the people at the top of the club.

When Bowyer was running the Under 21s, the team was filled with utter garbage which had been passed down from above. People like Myles Anderson, Bruno Ribeiro, Paulo Jorge and the other Portuguese signings were brought into the club, who were simply not up to it, and Bowyer was told to play them in the Under 21s. This inevitably had a detrimental effect on other players' development. Imagine being a 18-19 year old wanting to make the breakthrough and you're playing second fiddle to 26 year old Myles Anderson who couldn't get a game at Aldershot.

We have now got to a stage in the Under 21s under Eric Kinder where almost all of the said rubbish has been disposed of. There has been a stripping down of the squad and it is now largely populated in the main by younger players (18 year olds) who have a chance of developing playing against Premier League Under 21 sides every week, where there is some real top drawer quality. Players like Conor Mahoney and Hyuga Tanner showing real promise despite only being 17.

We will have to go with a squad made up largely of 17-18 year olds rather than 20-21 year olds, and that 3-4 years difference is obvious in the Under 21 games. Hopefully in a year or two they will have come on well.

It is a long road to recovery at all levels of the club.

[JBiz]

Rudy and Rhodes lack experience ? I don't know how you come to that conclusion re Rhodes given the amount he's scored in the last 4 or 5 years he's been around. You'd give Alistair Campbell a run for his money when it comes to spin....If you think we can't find a back up striker better than Varney or who fits in the squad just as well for the same or less wages then I'm glad your not recruiting !

If you see things as simple as that then I'm glad you ain't recruiting! Rhodes 2 seasons at this level- remember John Stead? Rudy half a season of starting after a couple of seasons as a super sub?

Neither has 5+ years of playing at this level. Varney on the other hand has. It's closer to ten Infact. If he's attitude is good then it's a no brainer for me- you won't find many players for that price and wage, with that experience. Especially without scouting their personal attitudes- which is big for GB- and it's proving to work!

[tomphil]

If you see things as simple as that then I'm glad you ain't recruiting! Rhodes 2 seasons at this level- remember John Stead? Rudy half a season of starting after a couple of seasons as a super sub?

Neither has 5+ years of playing at this level. Varney on the other hand has. It's closer to ten Infact. If he's attitude is good then it's a no brainer for me- you won't find many players for that price and wage, with that experience. Especially without scouting their personal attitudes- which is big for GB- and it's proving to work!

Going back to my original point my concern is if we have to rely on him for goals at some point for any length of time in the absence of one or both of the others. Then he'll struggle, do not tell me there aren't better options out there, there are. We may get another striker in as well so who knows but for me (and I don't think i'm alone on this one) he'd be a very poor signing who'll contribute little and it reeks of a 'favour for someone' type signing. Going against the grain of GB's good signings.

[martonrover]

If we want to get promoted next season we need better quality than Varney as back up for Rhodes and Gestede.

The thought of facing Varney is not going to give any defender a sleepless night.

Not even any use as an impact substitute.

Innocuous City Arizona.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Going back to my original point my concern is if we have to rely on him for goals at some point for any length of time in the absence of one or both of the others. Then he'll struggle, do not tell me there aren't better options out there, there are. We may get another striker in as well so who knows but for me (and I don't think i'm alone on this one) he'd be a very poor signing who'll contribute little and it reeks of a 'favour for someone' type signing. Going against the grain of GB's good signings.

Roll back a few months - why have we bought Gestede only 7 goals in 53 matches for Cardiff ?

I am not a huge fan of Varney - but he is a had working team player who can cover forward and wing positions (with his ability in the air he gives us something different on the wing). He is also experienced at this level - and seems be well regarded at most clubs he has played for.

If you look at all the teams promoted - it was more about work ethic and team work than individual talent - IMO Varney fits that mould.

[BooyakaSha]

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Sorry but that really made me chuckle!

[Al]

Methinks there is more than a little winding up coming from Mr Jbizzle. A little touch of tongue in cheek.

[Neal]

Other than the 67 he's already scored at this level? Fair enough that's in 327 games - to me that only highlights why he is a good asset to the squad. Rudy and Rhodes lack experience, and neither specialise in a wing/forward role which he has.

Signings of this ilk may not be groundbreaking or exciting, but we need a squad for this level. It's ok pointing out other freebies who are potentially better but if the guy who is paid to make these decisions (and has a record, albeit short, of finding good players) likes what he sees, then that's enough for me.

It's hardly going to be the kind if catastrophic "Leon Best esq" signing- on mega money with a lousy attitude and injury record...

Signings are never simply black and white, good or bad. There are more things to take into account. Varney will do as 3rd striker for me.

1) Everyone knows we need squad players.

2) We needs squad players to push the first 11 we have (Varney won't)

3) Hasn't showed once that he's good enough for Rovers

4) This is black and white as we watched him for 5 months.

He'd do as a 5th choice at best.

[Rover_Shaun]

I notice Bowyer is getting in his excuses early in the LET.

[IbizaRover]

Could Rochina not be developed/coached as a striker? He has no need to track back then and most fans, me excluded, jump on his back at any possible moment a pass is miss placed?

[JBiz]

Methinks there is more than a little winding up coming from Mr Jbizzle. A little touch of tongue in cheek.

Your inability to see things from any other point of view than your own, makes any personal insult you may throw my way irellevant. If you think I'm on the wind up, think of what I must think of you when the only thing you bring to discussion is "your a WUM"

It's simple for me. We could name a few different players for the backup striker role but with money tight and a squad bereft of experience, Varney seems a decent choice. Notice I said Decent. Not Exciting or Amazing, Decent. You need a hard working experienced squad with different strengths- look at Burnley. I would have told people to shut up, if they had of told me Sam Vokes would be a Prem striker- and after this season he deserves it.

Too many of you just want to write players off. I'll remind you again what the chief reporter for brfcs said about Rudy after one game;

"A poor mans Leon Best"

Fair enough, Kamy admitted he was wrong but to me that sums up lots of opinions on footballers- too shortsighted, black and white and judgemental.

I still don't see any suggestions strikers who are free, cheap wages, good attitude, with a decent record and experience.

I notice Bowyer is getting in his excuses early in the LET.

I notice your a big neggy

[Blue n whites]

I thought the one positive of having Varney and feeney on loan last season was, GB could see them up close and decide without the pressure of any fees whether they where any good.

I'm pretty gutted we are trying to sign either one of them but I trust GB to make the right calls, it's his lively hood on the line not mine.

[USABlue]

Your inability to see things from any other point of view than your own, makes any personal insult you may throw my way irellevant. If you think I'm on the wind up, think of what I must think of you when the only thing you bring to discussion is "your a WUM"

It's simple for me. We could name a few different players for the backup striker role but with money tight and a squad bereft of experience, Varney seems a decent choice. Notice I said Decent. Not Exciting or Amazing, Decent. You need a hard working experienced squad with different strengths- look at Burnley. I would have told people to shut up, if they had of told me Sam Vokes would be a Prem striker- and after this season he deserves it.

Too many of you just want to write players off. I'll remind you again what the chief reporter for brfcs said about Rudy after one game;

"A poor mans Leon Best"

Fair enough, Kamy admitted he was wrong but to me that sums up lots of opinions on footballers- too shortsighted, black and white and judgemental.

I still don't see any suggestions strikers who are free, cheap wages, good attitude, with a decent record and experience.

I notice your a big neggy

I concur. All teams need their grunts. Lets just see what Bowyer does and how his team performs before we stick in the daggers.

[Anders]

Albrighton and Delfanouso relased at Villa, Albrighton would be great !!

[Pelio]

Albrighton is off to Leicester it seems. Not sure how Delfouneso did last season, seems to go out on loan a lot... Could be a good backup for Rudy due to his age but need to shift Best, DJ and Goodwillie first.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

Has Bowyer been to Pune yet? Has he been told he can bring players in?

[Bucksrover]

Has Bowyer been to Pune yet? Has he been told he can bring players in?

Yes, he is back from Pune. Don't know what he's been told

[chaddyrovers]

Has Bowyer been to Pune yet? Has he been told he can bring players in?

Yeah Bowyer is back from Pune now.

Expect a update from Bowyer in the Lancashire Telegraph in the couple of days i would have thought.

[West Yorks Rover]

Which Leicester striker are we lining up, anybody heard ?

[stanhillrover]

Surely the fact that Alan Myers has been out to India means that we will be getting an excellently communicated account of what has gone on, what the owners think and what their plans are going forward.

I keep checking his twitter page and it has gone strangely quiet these last couple of days.

I'm hoping for a bit more than the usual 'owners are committed' line that gets reeled out every time there is a meeting.

[chaddyrovers]

Which Leicester striker are we lining up, anybody heard ?

where have you heard this?

I hope its Chris Wood.

[K-Hod]

Doubt it's Phillips or Nugent, the former has retired and Nugent is signing a new deal...

Wood has been class for them since signing, so I'd have thought they'd be keeping him.

Knowing our luck it's some sh1thouse reject they keep binning off on loan....

[perthblue02]

Surely the fact that Alan Myers has been out to India means that we will be getting an excellently communicated account of what has gone on, what the owners think and what their plans are going forward.

I keep checking his twitter page and it has gone strangely quiet these last couple of days.

I'm hoping for a bit more than the usual 'owners are committed' line that gets reeled out every time there is a meeting.

That's because Everton are on a break and the Pune visit will have taken a toll on his tongue , hands and knees or perhaps he just can not remember (again)

Fully expect the owners are committed and care for the club line, also productive talks with a back (insert name) and ( insert %) thrown in for good measure.

[Pelio]

where have you heard this?

I hope its Chris Wood.

Probably Martyn Waghorn - A rehash of an old story I think....