[Archived] Rovers vs Wigan

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

True, but if we have to get to the PL to survive, you don't want the lottery of the play offs

Lets not get picky. You go up however you can. In an ideal world we'd go up automatically I know but I think we take whatever we can get. A play off spot next season is a realistic target.

[stockholmmonster]

Are you going to answer my question about why you think Bowyer should be given "at least next season" as you put it?

I can't see anything in his performance this season that says he will get us promoted next time. You obviously can, so please enlighten me.

In a nutshell,things are improving, improve again next season and we have a chance of going up, you sound like you want to get rid of Bowyer how does that improve our chances?

[roverzee]

Yet another thread ruined by the BRFCS mafia. Someone comes on, voices an opinion, adds a bit of balance, and the usual suspects gang up and shout it down.

Almost every thread is the same.

Glenn and SteB shouldn't have bothered handing it on, they should have shut it down.

[yoda]

Lets not get picky. You go up however you can. In an ideal world we'd go up automatically I know but I think we take whatever we can get. A play off spot next season is a realistic target.

We don't have a good history in the play offs, how would GB play it?

your in the play offs because you didn't quite make the grade for automatic promotion, tricky to say the least

[stockholmmonster]

Yet another thread ruined by the BRFCS mafia. Someone comes on, voices an opinion, adds a bit of balance, and the usual suspects gang up and shout it down.

Almost every thread is the same.

Glenn and SteB shouldn't have bothered handing it on, they should have shut it down.

Cheers for that!

[K-Hod]

Yet another thread ruined by the BRFCS mafia. Someone comes on, voices an opinion, adds a bit of balance, and the usual suspects gang up and shout it down.

Almost every thread is the same.

Glenn and SteB shouldn't have bothered handing it on, they should have shut it down.

A bit OTT but you have a point.

Just being back from a ban myself, and viewing the board but not posting allowed me to view things differently.

A lot of people on here put words in other posters' mouths, there's no consideration for different views, and so much sniping it's untrue.

[Willie Eckerslike]

In a nutshell,things are improving, improve again next season and we have a chance of going up, you sound like you want to get rid of Bowyer how does that improve our chances?

How are they improving? OK finishing eighth instead of flirting at the bottom is an overall improvement but I am talking about the football and tactics I'm watching each week through the season.Those elements didn't seem to be improving as the season progressed.

Even in the last few games we were unable to stop teams pegging us back from a winning position or unable to produce a win from a draw when we needed it. Things hadn't changed. It's not just a one-off, it happened quite regularly.

Next season most of the managers Bowyer will come up against will be the same ones and I'm not confident that there has been an improvement in his approach that will get us more points and the promotion we all want.

[dazmaz]

Are you going to answer my question about why you think Bowyer should be given "at least next season" as you put it?

I can't see anything in his performance this season that says he will get us promoted next time. You obviously can, so please enlighten me.

You can start with the fact that dispite many fans thinking we would be relegation fodder, he actually had us challanging for the play offs.

12 games unbeaten in the league is also a very impressive feat for any team, and scoring 27 goals in that time is also very impressive.

in the 23 league games we have played since the new year we have lost just 4 games. To Compare Derby lost 5, Qpr 8, Wigan 7, Brighton 6 and Reading 6

He has brought in some very good young players, many of whom have been fantastic. sure there is a few duff ones, but name me a manager that doesn't.

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

How are they improving? OK finishing eighth instead of flirting at the bottom is an overall improvement but I am talking about the football and tactics I'm watching each week through the season.Those elements didn't seem to be improving as the season progressed.

Even in the last few games we were unable to stop teams pegging us back from a winning position or unable to produce a win from a draw when we needed it. Things hadn't changed. It's not just a one-off, it happened quite regularly.

Next season most of the managers Bowyer will come up against will be the same ones and I'm not confident that there has been an improvement in his approach that will get us more points and the promotion we all want.

You may have just answered your own question.

You question the tactics and the football but surely the fact that we finished two points away from the play offs as opposed to last years relegation scrap is enough to justify Bowyer being given another season?

[stockholmmonster]

How are they improving? OK finishing eighth instead of flirting at the bottom is an overall improvement but I am talking about the football and tactics I'm watching each week through the season.Those elements didn't seem to be improving as the season progressed.

Even in the last few games we were unable to stop teams pegging us back from a winning position or unable to produce a win from a draw when we needed it. Things hadn't changed. It's not just a one-off, it happened quite regularly.

Next season most of the managers Bowyer will come up against will be the same ones and I'm not confident that there has been an improvement in his approach that will get us more points and the promotion we all want.

I said "things" are improving, i think off the pitch as well as on it, for one thing I'm enjoying going again from it actually being painfull not long ago, good signings from Bowyer, Ewood was toxic, its not anymore, do you honestly believe we are not on the way up from where we where?

Tell me who you would bring in, realistically, who would do better?

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

We don't have a good history in the play offs, how would GB play it?

your in the play offs because you didn't quite make the grade for automatic promotion, tricky to say the least

It wouldn't be easy obviously, but we'd take it. How would GB play it? Who knows. The point is that if he got us there then he'd have done a decent job. I'm not going to debate how GB would set up his team in a play off final because there's no need to go into that right now. I'm very happy with his signings and the last two months have given me the belief that we could really challenge. I don't think a change of manager would be beneficial for the club at this stage..

[yoda]

I said "things" are improving, i think off the pitch as well as on it, for one thing I'm enjoying going again from it actually being painfull not long ago, good signings from Bowyer, Ewood was toxic, its not anymore, do you honestly believe we are not on the way up from where we where?

Tell me who you would bring in, realistically, who would do better?

When you say "things", it just sounds a bit wooly and not tangible, most people would say some "things" have improved but the underlying problems still remain and are immense.

It has not helped when it would seem we could have won at least 4 games instead of drawing with better tactics, hence people questioning if it really will be better next season on the park.

[stockholmmonster]

When you say "things", it just sounds a bit wooly and not tangible, most people would say some "things" have improved but the underlying problems still remain and are immense.

It has not helped when it would seem we could have won at least 4 games instead of drawing with better tactics, hence people questioning if it really will be better next season on the park.

Every club that has missed out on promotion or have been relegated can and are saying the same, we are not unique, how many points did we gain when looking like we were beat?

[yoda]

Every club that has missed out on promotion or have been relegated can and are saying the same, we are not unique, how many points did we gain when looking like we were beat?

2, just my opinion of course, how many would you say?

Not interested in other clubs and its not relevant to a discussion about GB

[Willie Eckerslike]

You may have just answered your own question.

You question the tactics and the football but surely the fact that we finished two points away from the play offs as opposed to last years relegation scrap is enough to justify Bowyer being given another season?

Depends what our aim is I suppose

[stockholmmonster]

2, just my opinion of course, how many would you say?

Not interested in other clubs and its not relevant to a discussion about GB

It is relevant, we get rid of him and bring another manager in who other fans could moan did the same at their club, I've asked a few times but no one has actually named this new massiah whos going to take us up at the first time of asking!

[chaddyrovers]

I said "things" are improving, i think off the pitch as well as on it, for one thing I'm enjoying going again from it actually being painfull not long ago, good signings from Bowyer, Ewood was toxic, its not anymore, do you honestly believe we are not on the way up from where we where?

Tell me who you would bring in, realistically, who would do better?

nobody will know how a different manager would have done this season at all. what signings would he made? what starting line up or tactics would he had done? or change tactics during games? the answer is nobody knows and far too hypothetical to know.

You may have just answered your own question.

You question the tactics and the football but surely the fact that we finished two points away from the play offs as opposed to last years relegation scrap is enough to justify Bowyer being given another season?

people need to see the progress made this season in terms of playing squad and results. after the previous turmoil at the club need taking into a account aswell. Rovers have no god given right to be the Premier League. think how long it took Leicester to get promotion after they went down from PL and their got relegated to league 1 aswell during that time. Look at teams like Leeds, Forest and Derby who haven't got back to the PL after their last relegation from the Top flight.

Bowyer has shown that he can signings very good players for not much money or free transfers

You can start with the fact that dispite many fans thinking we would be relegation fodder, he actually had us challanging for the play offs.

12 games unbeaten in the league is also a very impressive feat for any team, and scoring 27 goals in that time is also very impressive.

in the 23 league games we have played since the new year we have lost just 4 games. To Compare Derby lost 5, Qpr 8, Wigan 7, Brighton 6 and Reading 6

He has brought in some very good young players, many of whom have been fantastic. sure there is a few duff ones, but name me a manager that doesn't.

100 % correct there. I will ask what was people expectations for this season BEFORE the season started and did people change their minds during the season?

lot of people said top 10/mid table or some said fighting off relegation. cant remember too many say promotion or automatic promotion before the season started.

A bit OTT but you have a point.

Just being back from a ban myself, and viewing the board but not posting allowed me to view things differently.

A lot of people on here put words in other posters' mouths, there's no consideration for different views, and so much sniping it's untrue.

it is very different view when you aren't posting.

People need to consider different view and not just your own view

[yoda]

It is relevant, we get rid of him and bring another manager in who other fans could moan did the same at their club, I've asked a few times but no one has actually named this new massiah whos going to take us up at the first time of asking!

I was replying to this

"Every club that has missed out on promotion or have been relegated can and are saying the same, we are not unique, how many points did we gain when looking like we were beat?"

not talking about changing GB

[stockholmmonster]

I was replying to this

"Every club that has missed out on promotion or have been relegated can and are saying the same, we are not unique, how many points did we gain when looking like we were beat?"

not talking about changing GB

Maybe 8.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

nobody will know how a different manager would have done this season at all. what signings would he made? what starting line up or tactics would he had done? or change tactics during games? the answer is nobody knows and far too hypothetical to know.

people need to see the progress made this season in terms of playing squad and results. after the previous turmoil at the club need taking into a account aswell. Rovers have no god given right to be the Premier League. think how long it took Leicester to get promotion after they went down from PL and their got relegated to league 1 aswell during that time. Look at teams like Leeds, Forest and Derby who haven't got back to the PL after their last relegation from the Top flight.

Bowyer has shown that he can signings very good players for not much money or free transfers

100 % correct there. I will ask what was people expectations for this season BEFORE the season started and did people change their minds during the season?

lot of people said top 10/mid table or some said fighting off relegation. cant remember too many say promotion or automatic promotion before the season started.

it is very different view when you aren't posting.

People need to consider different view and not just your own view

It is irrelevant what fans perceptions were before the season. Rovers had several very good chances to get in the playoff race and blew it. Questions have to be asked why these were passed up? They kept making the same mistakes even in the last game of the season. As I have said before, it is now too late to replace him but if we don't start the next season well then the trigger needs pulling quickly.

[yoda]

Maybe 8.

Interesting, which games would they be?

[Willie Eckerslike]

You can start with the fact that dispite many fans thinking we would be relegation fodder, he actually had us challanging for the play offs.

12 games unbeaten in the league is also a very impressive feat for any team, and scoring 27 goals in that time is also very impressive.

in the 23 league games we have played since the new year we have lost just 4 games. To Compare Derby lost 5, Qpr 8, Wigan 7, Brighton 6 and Reading 6

He has brought in some very good young players, many of whom have been fantastic. sure there is a few duff ones, but name me a manager that doesn't.

We drew too many of those games though. That's why the others finished above us. Derby and Wigan were below us until they changed their managers.

Last 15 games of the season we took 24 points. That's the most recent third of the season and if repeated throughout next season will probably have us just in or just out of the play offs and unlikely to be in the top two.

[Majiball]

100 % correct there. I will ask what was people expectations for this season BEFORE the season started and did people change their minds during the season?

lot of people said top 10/mid table or some said fighting off relegation. cant remember too many say promotion or automatic promotion before the season started.

I said promotion, it is what the club desperately needs, expectations come after needs.

[Willie Eckerslike]

You may have just answered your own question.

You question the tactics and the football but surely the fact that we finished two points away from the play offs as opposed to last years relegation scrap is enough to justify Bowyer being given another season?

It would be far less disruptive to let Bowyer carry on I agree but I don't think he has what's needed to get us up. He's been lucky to get the Rovers managers job with no experience. He has done fairly well this season but has been found wanting in areas like effective substitutions and changing his tactics in response to an opposition manager. I don't know who he is going to learn the rest of the skills he needs from.

[chaddyrovers]

It is irrelevant what fans perceptions were before the season. Rovers had several very good chances to get in the playoff race and blew it. Questions have to be asked why these were passed up? They kept making the same mistakes even in the last game of the season. As I have said before, it is now too late to replace him but if we don't start the next season well then the trigger needs pulling quickly.

Firstly, it isn't irrelevant what fans perceptions were before the season. some people expectations change during the season.

Rovers did several chances but so did other clubs, the FACT is that we did miss out by 2 points that is reality. the rest is if's, buts and maybe's

I really don't understand why some fans want Bowyer out for. you have to look he has done in rebuilding a playing squad with the right attitude and getting rid of some of the deadwood within the playing staff from the previous season. putting together a very good scouting network which has allow to players like Cairney, Evans, Gestede, Conway, Spurr.

lets allow him next season to build on the foundations that has been put in place this season and no knee jerk next season after a few games which some fans will of course do.

CHADDY THE LUNES PROMISED EUROPE ,CUP WINS ,BECKHAM ....BUT STABLEABLE AND MOUNTAINS OF DEBTS IS WAY WAY WAY COOLER

not at all interested in what the owners said when they first bought the club.

we are where we are atm.

that's is in the championship trying to build a football club back up and they are no quick fixes at all. look at Leicester, Leeds, Forest and Derby how long they have been in this league with Leicester and Leeds being relegation to League 1 during that time aswell.