[Archived] Rovers vs Wigan

[IbizaRover]

Bowyer has learnt as the season progressed that showns in the 12 match unbeaten run. Give him some dosh to buy a new RB, CH and another striker or maybe coach King into a striker role (Wenger did with Henry) and give him time. He is learning the job each game and his tactics will improive now he can see if we go and attack teams we will usually score. Just get the silly conceeded goals eradicated and I honestly think we will go up automatically next season. Gutted the season has finished but we have the world cup to look forward to so onwards and upwards I say.

[JBiz]

There's a few of these types springing up at the moment, Abbey.

Seems like a 12 game run and 8th place finish is enough to bring out a few fickle types from the woodwork.

Less of the vitriol my old mucker.

I echo parsons sentiments. If you want a realistic summary of this season see the review topic. As for this Wigan thread, it's just been turned into a battle of the snipers, and I'm afraid that this was the example I didn't expect!

[Kamy100]

I think that it is about respecting each other’s opinions.

It is not right to call people “fickle types” if they are happy with the progress made this season, just as it is not right to call those who wanted more as “moaners”.

At the start of the season I would have happily accepted a top 10 finish, I would have even taken it in December considering the 3 years of turmoil beforehand. However, I do feel a bit down at what has happened in the last month or so, a play off spot was very much there for the taking on a number of occasions and we blew it through bad tactical decisions and players making errors at key moments.

Looking at the season overall, I am relatively happy but can completely understand the viewpoint of those who think that we should have done better. There is no right or wrong answer here.

[Riverside67]

Yes and all this sniping is going to do the club and and fans the power of good. People will vote with their feet and the only one's left will be the downright aggressive on both sides.

We are all frustrated and annoyed at events but the fans are the club and no one else.

If we cannot get right amongst ourselves then we get what we deserve.

I defy anyone to say they are not looking forward to next season more than this same time last year.

[blueboy3333]

I always back my mates through thick and thin as well...

Why can't people look at the same thing and formulate differing opinions? It's a witch hunt on both sides these days and we're all on the same side and yet it is demanded people conform to others views. You offer debate, to get 'no, because you're wrong' and that's that, even if you do get a response it's generally a side step avoiding the question posed. Just as people want their positivity allowed, negativity must also be considered as one without the other is? Rovers has changed, so in turn will the MB, frustration will set in and tempers will flare or people will walk away, as it's no longer the club they fell in love with. Until everyone is willing to be considerate and accept their contributions to the current state on here, nothing will change. Instead lets just slag each other off for having a differing view over the same situation.

Of course everybody is entitled to their own opinions. Totally agree. I also agree that those opinions can be 'negative' or 'positive'. However,the issue is the same people hijacking every thread to justify their dislike of Bowyer. There is a 'Bowyer' thread on here somewhere, people should use that to vent their frustrations and leave this thread to discuss the Wigan match.

[Majiball]

People acknowledge I am right and slag others off in the same post.

This MB is the only thing keeping my interest in Rovers/football and the above highlights why I don't think it will change.

Negatives hijack threads? From my perspective the positives do the same. I've read enough now to know that sentence number two in this post will ring true.

[blueboy3333]

People acknowledge I am right and slag others off in the same post.

This MB is the only thing keeping my interest in Rovers/football and the above highlights why I don't think it will change.

Negatives hijack threads? From my perspective the positives do the same. I've read enough now to know that sentence number two in this post will ring true.

Missing the point. If Rovers win 4-3 then of course people will be happy and post 'positive' stuff. That isn't hijacking a thread, that's a natural response to winning a game. Slagging Bowyer off on the thread on matters unrelated to the match is entirely different.

[Majiball]

Missing the point. If Rovers win 4-3 then of course people will be happy and post 'positive' stuff. That isn't hijacking a thread, that's a natural response to winning a game. Slagging Bowyer off on the thread on matters unrelated to the match is entirely different.

I'm missing the point????? I am discussing the board not wigan as are others. I'm missing the point???

[JBiz]

I think that it is about respecting each others opinions.

It is not right to call people fickle types if they are happy with the progress made this season, just as it is not right to call those who wanted more as moaners.

At the start of the season I would have happily accepted a top 10 finish, I would have even taken it in December considering the 3 years of turmoil beforehand. However, I do feel a bit down at what has happened in the last month or so, a play off spot was very much there for the taking on a number of occasions and we blew it through bad tactical decisions and players making errors at key moments.

Looking at the season overall, I am relatively happy but can completely understand the viewpoint of those who think that we should have done better. There is no right or wrong answer here.

There is a direct correlation between performance and expectation. The fact we've had our best form in the last quarter of the season makes expectations grow accordingly, especially for the next season. There is no doubting we have missed an opportunity essentially, but there is also no doubt in mine and several others opinions that this missed opportunity is the result of improved performances in 10 out of last 12 games. If we had 12 consistent 90 minute performances, we would be cemented in those playoffs.

All this leads into expectations for next season. They are currently high, and I would expect people to be upset (like myself) if this improvement is not built on!

[thenodrog]

It is relevant, we get rid of him and bring another manager in who other fans could moan did the same at their club, I've asked a few times but no one has actually named this new massiah whos going to take us up at the first time of asking!

Exactly. Any new Manager of experience etc is as tangible as the crock of gold at the end of the rainbow. Not one of the posters who think Bowyer should be replaced (ludicrous after what I would describe as a very good and very progressive season for the club) is prepared to put their money where there mouth is and name their choice of 'Messiah'. Nothing but a proper cop out by many skulking in the background imo. Even more ludicrous is that whilst these 'supporters' unite in churlish criticism and baiting of other posters that if there was a secret vote very few would manage to come up with the same name and off we would go again ...... but with different battle lines drawn up!

Sorry but I dont play Championship Manager, I'm old school with old values and opinions and I find it pathetic to hound a man who imo and in the opinion of the majority has made excellent progress and done a good job of turning the club's fortunes around, and especially after being stuck with decidedly 'oddball' owners and a squad containing any number of football mercenaries which was assembled for purposes other than football reasons by a couple of damaging base swindlers .

Forget the Fantasy Island of the Walker Years cos they are history and remember where we have come from and our true standing in English football and just who the hell do some think we are? Forget very top managers like KMD, Hodgson, Allardyce and Hughes cos they would run a mile now, we are miles under their radar, forget too the lesser lights of Ince, Kidd, Souness and Harford cos as far as I am concerned Bowyer is better than them. Instead we must compare Bowyer's progress like for like to Don McKay, John Pickering, Howard Kendall and Bobby Saxton. How would he figure in that list? Those with goldfish memories need not bother.

[thenodrog]

Liverpool have just blown the Premier League - and the door has been wide open for them to win it. Why on earth have they passed up the chances they had?

Should they sack Rodgers? Sell Suarez?

Why didn't Barcelona win this weekend - or Real Madrid, or Atletico, or Ajax, or Roma? Benfica did an amazing job on Juventus on Thursday, but they failed to win today as well. It was a shocking weekend for anyone who bets on European football.

Football isn't a science. It's real people with the same weaknesses and strengths as the rest of us, and to assume that Rovers were somehow pre-destined to reach the playoffs is ridiculous. And then to blame the manager is even more ridiculous. He's the only reason we got anywhere close.

I would put money on that. They wont want to sell him but I'm pretty sure the big clubs will be after him. He has everything. My only reservation being whether he can perform in the biggest games when the pressure is at it's most intense.

[Amo]

Not one of the posters who think Bowyer should be replaced (ludicrous after what I would describe as a very good and very progressive season for the club) is prepared to put their money where there mouth is and name their choice of 'Messiah'. Nothing but a proper cop out by many skulking in the background imo.

Malky Mackay.

You're welcome.

[Willie Eckerslike]

Well thenodrog, Bowyer has had a lot more at his disposal than any of those ex-managers. He's not training on Pleasington is he?

I don't think any of those guys had an £8m striker or was allowed to bring in almost twenty players in one season. Not comparable at all imo.

As for selecting a manager, I have stated that I don't think Bowyer can take us up and he is still making the same mistakes at the end of the season that he was earlier on.

I have no idea who would come but if it was down to me I would be making enquiries and drawing up a list. If that list didn't inspire confidence because all the good candidates "ran a mile", then keep Bowyer but until you ask, you don't know.

[thenodrog]

I always back my mates through thick and thin as well...

Why can't people look at the same thing and formulate differing opinions? It's a witch hunt on both sides these days and we're all on the same side and yet it is demanded people conform to others views. You offer debate, to get 'no, because you're wrong' and that's that, even if you do get a response it's generally a side step avoiding the question posed. Just as people want their positivity allowed, negativity must also be considered as one without the other is? Rovers has changed, so in turn will the MB, frustration will set in and tempers will flare or people will walk away, as it's no longer the club they fell in love with. Until everyone is willing to be considerate and accept their contributions to the current state on here, nothing will change. Instead lets just slag each other off for having a differing view over the same situation.

More like it's reverted to it for those over 40.

[thenodrog]

I think that it is about respecting each other’s opinions.

It is not right to call people “fickle types” if they are happy with the progress made this season, just as it is not right to call those who wanted more as “moaners”.

At the start of the season I would have happily accepted a top 10 finish, I would have even taken it in December considering the 3 years of turmoil beforehand. However, I do feel a bit down at what has happened in the last month or so, a play off spot was very much there for the taking on a number of occasions and we blew it through bad tactical decisions and players making errors at key moments.

Looking at the season overall, I am relatively happy but can completely understand the viewpoint of those who think that we should have done better. There is no right or wrong answer here.

Lots of ifs and buts when one looks back on a season, injuries, hanley, keepers errors, poor substitutions etc etc all contribute but perhaps the real kicker was Brigtons late equaliser. If we'd kept that out we'd be in the play offs.

Malky Mackay.

Thank you Amarillo. (Do you think he'd have come to the madhouse? )

Whose next on the oche?

[den]

Lots of ifs and buts when one looks back on a season, injuries, hanley, keepers errors, poor substitutions etc etc all contribute but perhaps the real kicker was Brigtons late equaliser. If we'd kept that out we'd be in the play offs.

Nah Gord. You finish where you deserve to finish - and we finished 8th after bringing in 21 players to supplement what many of our fans argued was the best striker and best squad in the league. Less players, better quality and a manager with more about them would have been a far better way to go.

[Amo]

Thank you Amarillo. (Do you think he'd have come to the madhouse? )

He was willing to stay at Cardiff, whose owner is arguably battier than ours.

Don't ask, don't get.

[thenodrog]

Well thenodrog, Bowyer has had a lot more at his disposal than any of those ex-managers. He's not training on Pleasington is he?

I don't think any of those guys had an £8m striker or was allowed to bring in almost twenty players in one season. Not comparable at all imo.

As for selecting a manager, I have stated that I don't think Bowyer can take us up and he is still making the same mistakes at the end of the season that he was earlier on.

I have no idea who would come but if it was down to me I would be making enquiries and drawing up a list. If that list didn't inspire confidence because all the good candidates "ran a mile", then keep Bowyer but until you ask, you don't know.

Rhodes was a Shebby / Kean signing. I'm pretty sure Bowyer wouldn't have either bought Rhodes or if he had he wouldn't have spewed 8m on him when the rest of the squad could have benefitted more.

As for training on Pleasington..... dont be daft.

Now give us your choice as manager employing the following criteria.... who do you think is better? who is available and finally who do you think would have come in when Bowyer did?

Please bear in mind the 'turn offs for potential managers of quality ..... the number of sackings these fruit loops have performed since they came in an also their previous level of interference, our financial position and the biggest turn off of all the fact that they are prepared to sack a manager who has turned the club around so well, made some very astute signings (the likes of which I haven't seen since Mark Hughes left) and finishing within a squeak of the play offs.

Nah Gord. You finish where you deserve to finish - and we finished 8th after bringing in 21 players to supplement what many of our fans argued was the best striker and best squad in the league. Less players, better quality and a manager with more about them would have been a far better way to go.

You've fallen back on using two points that you yourself find completely ludicrous den as the basis for your argument..... and you know it!

btw our best managers in terms of signings (imo) were KMD and Hughes and indisputably they both brought in some top players...... and also any number of complete duds too!

[den]

You've fallen back on using two points that you yourself find completely ludicrous den as the basis for your argument..... and you know it!

😀 bingo!

[thenodrog]

bingo!

Now I see..... that was 3 points though. Ive edited it to highlight the two which you knew full well anyway.

btw I do agree about fewer players. That was the Allardyce way and I suspect given the fullnes of time and a fair wind that it will be the Bowyer way too. It has to be really doesn't it?. However please explain how Bowyer can get rid of useless players of limited talent and poor attitude who are still under contract and whose exhorbitant wages are gumming up the squad and likely still providing a drip feed of a fat tax free dollop of cash to odious individual(s) residing in a certain tax haven that he quite obviously does not want and has no use for? rem Bowyer and to a lesser extent Derek Shaw were handed a real poison chalice. No one on this entire planet could right those wrongs and clear the puss out of our club in 12 months.

[JBiz]

😀 bingo!

It's one thing having the most expensively assembled and paid squad, it's another thing grinding results out with them.

Just ask the highest earning, most experienced and possibly most successful manager in the division; Harry Redknapp.

[den]

It's one thing having the most expensively assembled and paid squad, it's another thing grinding results out with them.

Just ask the highest earning, most experienced and possibly most successful manager in the division; Harry Redknapp.

Don't understand how that backs Bowyer?

[thenodrog]

Don't understand how that backs Bowyer?

I know nobody likes to be proven wrong but having known you through this mb for well over almost a decade and a half den and in the most cases sharing your views I'm struggling to understand your entrenched animosity to Bowyer. It's almost like you want him to fail....... You aren't alone either. I must admit at this point that I was just like that with Steve Kean in charge. I like to believe my hatred was rational but imo yours insn't.

[Willie Eckerslike]

Rhodes was a Shebby / Kean signing. I'm pretty sure Bowyer wouldn't have either bought Rhodes or if he had he wouldn't have spewed 8m on him when the rest of the squad could have benefitted more.

As for training on Pleasington..... dont be daft.

Now give us your choice as manager employing the following criteria.... who do you think is better? who is available and finally who do you think would have come in when Bowyer did?

Please bear in mind the 'turn offs for potential managers of quality ..... the number of sackings these fruit loops have performed since they came in an also their previous level of interference, our financial position and the biggest turn off of all the fact that they are prepared to sack a manager who has turned the club around so well, made some very astute signings (the likes of which I haven't seen since Mark Hughes left) and finishing within a squeak of the play offs.

You've fallen back on using two points that you yourself find completely ludicrous den as the basis for your argument..... and you know it!

btw our best managers in terms of signings (imo) were KMD and Hughes and indisputably they both brought in some top players...... and also any number of complete duds too!

I didn't say Rhodes was a Bowyer signing just that Bowyer has had the most expensive striker in the Championship (with 25 goals to boot) and I don't recall Saxton, Kendall etc.. having one.

You're dismissive of Pleasington so you must think those guys had the same facilities at their disposal as Bowyer - he has one of the best set of facilities in the division.

You give me the list of managers that have been sounded out and would come and I will either pick one or I'll shut up and back Bowyer if they are all cr@p - not my job to do but someone at Rovers should be doing it if they want to make sure we have the best shot at promotion next season.

[thenodrog]

I didn't say Rhodes was a Bowyer signing just that Bowyer has had the most expensive striker in the Championship (with 25 goals to boot) and I don't recall Saxton, Kendall etc.. having one.

You're dismissive of Pleasington so you must think those guys had the same facilities at their disposal as Bowyer - he has one of the best set of facilities in the division.

You give me the list of managers that have been sounded out and would come and I will either pick one or I'll shut up and back Bowyer if they are all cr@p - not my job to do but someone at Rovers should be doing it if they want to make sure we have the best shot at promotion next season.

Thats just a cop out.