[Archived] Gary Bowyer Discussion

[Dortmund Rover 32]

Yeh sorry could

[imy9]

How long are people going to keep playing the 'It's all other peoples fault' card? Two years and counting now. 3, 4. 5, 6 years, heck lets do it for a decade if you want. The minute he took the job it was his paycheck and his responsibility alone. He recruited his own staff and players. Yes we can reasonably factor in some issues for lasting context, which most did in his first year in charge, but this is his team now and his way of playing alone. No-one forced him to buy the lads he sourced and in my view quality not quantity would have been the clear way forward, along with a professional focus on our own goal and defence.

As you may be aware, Dyche had a very small budget / squad and did not enjoy the luxury of either our facilities, gargantuan playing squad, massive overspend, 8 million pound strikers, current Internationals and 8? number 10's to choose from, but still did far better than Bowyer has at anytime. Including turning us over at home and nearly doing so at their place. I think I read he used 14 players only all season, but don't quote me.

You talk like every new other manager has a massive budget immediately available, is 100% happy with their inherited squad, has no interference or issues from above, that no one else no-one has to release players, sell players, alienate players, or cut their cloth accordingly. Apologies but it is simply not true.

Ok lets look at the clubs at the top of the Championship at the moment:

Bournemouth

Derby

Watford

Boro

Of the four, THREE were PL clubs.

Derby were relegated in 2002 went under and have had seven managers in that time.

Longest serving being Clough who cut the wage bill dramatically and brought through youth team players.

Watford were relegated in '99 and have been up and down in the championship until the current owners arrived and exposed a loop hole in the loan system.

Boro were relegated in 2009 and have struggled along since.

Point I'm trying to make is that two of the three PL clubs have had takeovers and before that their form was erratic. Derby and Boro have flirted with relegation in the championship on numerous occasions. It takes a long time to build a squad.

Bowyer has stabilised the club (that word again). We don't hear of agents camping out at Brockhall, nor do we hear of players being signed for anything other than the managers view on them. When we STILL have players getting paid MILLIONS to leave after THREE years in the Championship then I'm afraid we will have to wait a while longer before we look capable of challenging. Bowyer has my respect for the job he has done- lets not revise history, we close to being relegated and Bowyer saved us.

The above clubs have taken a long longer than us to get to the position they are in (beneath them are clubs like Forest and Ipswich who are similar to the other PL teams mentioned).

Do I think Bowyer is the man to take us up? An emphatic no from me. However I think any manager taking over at the moment will struggle to get a team challenging for the top due to the management above Bowyer and the Raos on top of them.

Bowyer is not the problem- never has been. Agnew/Shelfy/Raos are the problem and nothing will change until they go or by some miracle Bowyer begins to improve and see the things we see, e.g. drop Hanley, play to Rhodes' strengths.

[Blue blood]

I didn't say that. All circumstances are different for managers at different clubs. Dyche inherited a mill pond compared to GB's storm.

I'm not saying every decision made by him has been right, I just think it's an unfair comparison. Dortmunds comment was spot on in fairness so theirs no need for me repeat.

But to use that analogy Dyche got a couple of planks of wood and a piece of string to navigate the pond, whilst Bowyer had a choice of boats and navigation equipment.

Bowyer has had some tough circumstances, but he's had a lot of room to do his own thing with players, staff etc. I'd say even though we weren't a basket case then, comparatively Bowyer has had much more leeway than Hughes or Allardyce ever got in the transfer window.

[Baz]

The squad Dyche took over where ranked amongst the favourites for relegation, even now despite promotion, he has spent less in transfers than Bowyer has on agent fees, and look what he has achieved.

Whilst you cannot say 100% that Bowyer wouldnt have done the same at Burnley, its pretty stretched logic given his current record that he would have.

[No Nay Never]

Do we have to use Dyche as an example, any credit to that lot leaves me feeling sick.

We could use Nigel Pearson at Leicester? Or maybe not as that supports people who say that Bowyer is part way through a rebuilding job.

[Stuart]

Looks like Maj has been deleted again... a shame.

I wish someone would delete the real antagonist.

[imy9]

I wish someone would delete the real antagonist.

😴

[yoda]

I wish someone would delete the real antagonist.

That should guarantee blueboy gets on yer case

[ABBEY]

It's a bloody big case

[K-Hod]

I wish someone would delete the real antagonist.

In favour of the guy who spat his dummy out and then posted vile images? Whilst he posts well and knows his stuff about sports science etc there was no excuse for what he did.

Even a member on here said 'my opinion of him has dipped that much it's gone through the floor', when he posted those images, this was having met Majiball at reserve games etc.

[Baz]

Do we have to use Dyche as an example, any credit to that lot leaves me feeling sick.

We could use Nigel Pearson at Leicester? Or maybe not as that supports people who say that Bowyer is part way through a rebuilding job.

Pearson at Leicester finished 9th (part season), 6th then 1st, so improvement in league position each season. Will GB improve on last seasons position?

[imy9]

Wasn't he fired in between?

[Baz]

Wasn't he fired in between?

No, he left after his first spell (1st lg1, then 5th championship) after falling out as a dof (sousa) was brought in above him.

The stats i gave where for his second spell.

[DE.]

A bit disingenuous to compare Pearson and Dyche imo. One had much more resources than the other, and it wasn't the manager of our six-fingered friends.

I have no more love for Burnley than any other Rovers fan but it's ridiculous to ignore the incredible work Dyche has done there. He's performing absolute miracles at a club that should be slugging it out in mid-table Championship purgatory with us. To not only have them in the PL but genuinely competing is some achievement, as much as I hate saying it.

[Baz]

A bit disingenuous to compare Pearson and Dyche imo. One had much more resources than the other, and it wasn't the manager of our six-fingered friends.

I have no more love for Burnley than any other Rovers fan but it's ridiculous to ignore the incredible work Dyche has done there. He's performing absolute miracles at a club that should be slugging it out in mid-table Championship purgatory with us. To not only have them in the PL but genuinely competing is some achievement, as much as I hate saying it.

I'm Only making the points about Pearson because a GB supporter said it was fairer comparison.

The truth is both managers records are far better than GBs.

[DE.]

Fairer to compare GB and Dyche, surely, from a resource standpoint if nothing else?

[Baz]

Fairer to compare GB and Dyche, surely, from a resource standpoint if nothing else?

Not really, imagine what Dyche would have done with GBs resources.

[Proudtobeblue&white]

A bit disingenuous to compare Pearson and Dyche imo. One had much more resources than the other, and it wasn't the manager of our six-fingered friends.

I have no more love for Burnley than any other Rovers fan but it's ridiculous to ignore the incredible work Dyche has done there. He's performing absolute miracles at a club that should be slugging it out in mid-table Championship purgatory with us. To not only have them in the PL but genuinely competing is some achievement, as much as I hate saying it.

Bob on, pains me to say if the Loons want a model, they have one up the road. They have dismantled, with the advice of the dark lord, everything they needed to continue in the PL. You do wonder how often we are mentioned over dinner, once a year review......well we haven't won the Champions League, Becks has retired, but Paul Gascoigne is still alive, he might come?

That lovely Gary assures us that 10th is good, and we are going to Wemberlee.

Job done, as they look at their 95" plasma on a lovely MDF shelf assembly.

Bitter, mine's a pint, or two....

[DE.]

Not really, imagine what Dyche would have done with GBs resources.

Does Shelfy count as a resource?

[Proudtobeblue&white]

Does Shelfy count as a resource?

He is a resource for anything wooden?

[No Nay Never]

I'm Only making the points about Pearson because a GB supporter said it was fairer comparison.

The truth is both managers records are far better than GBs.

A GB supporter? As BRFC supporters should we all not support the manager until it becomes impossible to do so (kean).

[thenodrog]

IF ,say ,Rhodes got sold/loaned today/this week would Bowyer walk after promising him going nowhere? (not saying he is just putting it out there)

? Not really fair that Abbey. Depends if it was his decision surely. More likely to have been the Raos, it might have been be Shaw's, it might be the Bank of India's chief exec. it might quite likely be Jordan Rhodes and his agent's decison! Have you considered that? GB can say what he wants to the press but he is just a hired hand.

[thenodrog]

The squad Dyche took over where ranked amongst the favourites for relegation, even now despite promotion, he has spent less in transfers than Bowyer has on agent fees, and look what he has achieved.

Thats a great point. Why not phone Dyche up and see if he'll come here. Beware though you might have a long wait as every other Championship club Chairman will likely be on hold.

However please consider that whilst Sean Dyche appears to be everyones flavour of the month (despite being in a relegation spot) why does nobody give credit to the Chairman and board who employed him? Also the Burnley faithful despite facing the precipice have to the best of my knowledge turned against no one yet. Can you imagine that situation happening here amongst our spoilt generation?

[Baz]

A GB supporter? As BRFC supporters should we all not support the manager until it becomes impossible to do so (kean).

i support the club, not the manager. I think the best interests of the club would be served under a better manager. If you have a difference of opinion thats your perogative, but please dont tell me who I should and shouldn't support by your own criteria.

Oh, and whats your answer in reply to comparing Bowyer favourably to Pearson, now ive put the stats on here?

[thenodrog]

Looks like Maj has been deleted again... a shame.

You need to remember that he wrote his own suicide note and posted it DE.