[Archived] Gary Bowyer Discussion

[thenodrog]

Allardyce isn't a cup manager, he's a league manager. There is nothing to suggest he would get to the semi finals of a World Cup, let alone a final.

I've often mused that England need two managers, one for qualification - possibly even group stages, then one for the one-off cup competitions. Mourinho and Benitez would be an example of such a "combo". For English managers, I guess we would be looking at Allardyce and Rogers. Maybe one day, Bowyer.

Incidentally, Bowyer is the 26th longest serving Football League manager. Behind Sean Dyche (19th) and Graham Alexander (23rd). All around the two year mark. Who would people suggest have improved their teams the most over that period?

Brendan Rodgers is Irish.

[Stuart]

Brendan Rodgers is Irish.

What does it say on his passport, Gordon.

[Parsonblue]

to little to late(even if they go unbeaten in the league until the end of the season) I'm not falling for that 'work in progress' bollards again, that was last year remember!!

this year we should have been seriously pushing for promotion, its a simple fact that teams with less talented squads than ours have been promoted or finished in the top 6 in recent years and that's clearly because they have better managers that know what its all about, bowyers mediocre(and that's all he will ever be, BECAUSE HE'S A COACH NOT A MANAGER)

A work in progress can take more than a year. Recent performances have shown that Bowyer has not lost the players and that there is a good team spirit within the camp. Once, again, tactically, he got things right, and used his subs creatively when forced to change things around because of injuries. Clearly, he is a manager no matter what people might think. Considering this is just his second season as a manager, and taking the madhouse that he inherited into account, I think he's done more than a decent job. Charlton, was another very enjoyable game to watch.

[Andyblue2]

A work in progress can take more than a year. Recent performances have shown that Bowyer has not lost the players and that there is a good team spirit within the camp. Once, again, tactically, he got things right, and used his subs creatively when forced to change things around because of injuries. Clearly, he is a manager no matter what people might think. Considering this is just his second season as a manager, and taking the madhouse that he inherited into account, I think he's done more than a decent job. Charlton, was another very enjoyable game to watch.

Knock it on the head Parson. Everything is just peachy isn't it. I wonder how far we need to fall before you and your posse realise we're on the way down.....can you not see it?

[Riverside67]

A bit harsh that Andy. I have to admit Parson sees positives where I do not but he has always maintained the line that turning the tanker round was a big job. I lost my patience after the two hiome defeats to Weds and Wolves where I thought we were going backwards.

The key is if Bowyer is still putting building blocks down.

Definite progress for me in the last few weeks in the number one problem area of defence, Baptiste, Kilgallon, and Henry are ahead of Duffy and Hanley and I trust GB has sussed this.

The progress of Henley and Olsson this season is a plus. Spearing in midfield is a good signing. Cairney playing a bit more central also the right move. Steele is an improvement at Goalie as well, so several step forwards from last season.

Just a lack of pace breaking from midfield to support up front worries me but fair do's to Parson he promoted patience and there are signs now. We are not up with Derby/Norwich/Boro or Bournemouth but we are nearer to the others pushing at the top.

[Waggy76]

Here we go again , win a few meaningless end of season games and everyone gets excited !

Rhodes,Gestede and King will more than likely be plying their trades at pastures new , next season...

That means relegation candidates for the next campaign ......

[Riverside67]

Waggy I agree they probably will move on.

A lousy defence however will certainly put us at the bottom end of the table next season..

[JBiz]

Knock it on the head Parson. Everything is just peachy isn't it. I wonder how far we need to fall before you and your posse realise we're on the way down.....can you not see it?

Knock it on the head - the personal gibberish.

I agree with much of what he says. See PB has what I'd describe as scope. He can see what went on, knows under the current owners that any quick fix is unlikely because of the "decision chasm" and has seen GB restore lots of pride to the club.

What's there to knock on head? I'd suggest knocking yourself on the head to hopefully attain some element of reality.

[47er]

What Parson is ignoring is the fact that Bowyer will not gey a free run at it. Every time he takes us 2 steps forward, Venky's selling policy will drag us back 3. He will start next season without Gestede and Rhodes I'm sure and one or two others.

Does anyone expect him to find a Gestede for peanuts again? Or a player able to cover the loss of Rhodes?

If he does manage this feat, what do you think will happen?

Correct! They will be sold too.

[Stuart]

Knock it on the head - the personal gibberish.

I agree with much of what he says. See PB has what I'd describe as scope. He can see what went on, knows under the current owners that any quick fix is unlikely because of the "decision chasm" and has seen GB restore lots of pride to the club.

What's there to knock on head? I'd suggest knocking yourself on the head to hopefully attain some element of reality.

I was going to point out the hypocrisy of your post but you've done that yourself with your last line.

[47er]

Knock it on the head - the personal gibberish.

What's there to knock on head? I'd suggest knocking yourself on the head to hopefully attain some element of reality.

Not being personal there of course!

(beat me to it Stuart!)

[JBiz]

Not being personal there of course!

(beat me to it Stuart!)

You guys prefer to post stuff like than this than discuss; case and point, Gordon makes a 500 word post and the only comments you can make are "who's handley"

Admittedly I shouldn't have bothered with the last line, but it would help Andy. Remember, this is the guy who was a "worldie" footballer.

What Parson is ignoring is the fact that Bowyer will not gey a free run at it. Every time he takes us 2 steps forward, Venky's selling policy will drag us back 3. He will start next season without Gestede and Rhodes I'm sure and one or two others.

Does anyone expect him to find a Gestede for peanuts again? Or a player able to cover the loss of Rhodes?

If he does manage this feat, what do you think will happen?

Correct! They will be sold too.

That's the same for anyone though isn't it? Since GB has a decent record for signing players for peanuts and turning them decent- I'd probably argue him as good candidate for this scenario that you paint.

[chris_h]

Knock it on the head Parson. Everything is just peachy isn't it. I wonder how far we need to fall before you and your posse realise we're on the way down.....can you not see it?

It breaks your heart when Rovers Win. You're a disgrace.

[Stuart]

You guys prefer to post stuff like than this than discuss; case and point, Gordon makes a 500 word post and the only comments you can make are "who's handley"

Cobblers. You and your 'gang' simply ignore longer reasoned posts because they don't suit your view. I posted the same two weeks ago today in fact concerning Pasonblue's convenient ignoring of my point by point discussion - then the board went Tango Uniform. I've long debated points with care and reason but what's the point when there is no response. And then they come back with the same stuff again and again.

You seem to want this board to be just like the official one. Stale, beige and boring.

Two wins in a row and all is forgiven. Again.

[Parsonblue]

Knock it on the head Parson. Everything is just peachy isn't it. I wonder how far we need to fall before you and your posse realise we're on the way down.....can you not see it?

We are in the top half of the Championship - hardly on the way down. We got relegated - it happens. The owners made horrendous errors - they are not the first and they won't be the last. We have to regroup and rebuild - so have a lot of clubs over the years - Man City, Leeds, Southampton, Norwich, Leicester City, Wolves, Sheff Wed., Sheff Utd., all larger than us in terms of potential fan base and all had to regroup in League One. There are positives but some refuse to look for them.

[JBiz]

Cobblers. You and your 'gang' simply ignore longer reasoned posts because they don't suit your view. I posted the same two weeks ago today in fact concerning Pasonblue's convenient ignoring of my point by point discussion - then the board went Tango Uniform. I've long debated points with care and reason but what's the point when there is no response. And then they come back with the same stuff again and again.

You seem to want this board to be just like the official one. Stale, beige and boring.

Two wins in a row and all is forgiven. Again.

It's not two wins and all forgiven. I've never actually thought time up for GB because of all the other stuff that's gone on. You know this, I'm not swinging my opinion based on weekly occurrences.

I'm not part of a gang either. I have an opinion and discuss it. I should stop replying to personal stuff that's a "shay" given.

It's difficult to discuss much with you Stuart, mainly because I find it baffling your need for a scapegoat, this years new line is Hanley.

There are positives but some refuse to look for them.

Things could be worse and are less likely to get better if we allow the owners to make more errors. Why does this fact get completely ignored

[Waggy76]

We are in the top half of the Championship - hardly on the way down. We got relegated - it happens. The owners made horrendous errors - they are not the first and they won't be the last. We have to regroup and rebuild - so have a lot of clubs over the years - Man City, Leeds, Southampton, Norwich, Leicester City, Wolves, Sheff Wed., Sheff Utd., all larger than us in terms of potential fan base and all had to regroup in League One. There are positives but some refuse to look for them.

Venkys are responsible along with their unable lieutenants for our demise ......

Big Sam was the manager and we were in the Prem , look where we are today ....

I dont give a flying about other clubs !

[Parsonblue]

Venkys are responsible along with their unable lieutenants for our demise ......

Big Sam was the manager and we were in the Prem , look where we are today ....

I dont give a flying about other clubs !

But you can't turn the clock back so you either give up or get your head down, regroup and rebuild. Personally, I prefer the second option.

[Waggy76]

Regroup by all means but lets have a proper General and not an over promoted nobody....

[47er]

You guys prefer to post stuff like than this than discuss; case and point, Gordon makes a 500 word post and the only comments you can make are "who's handley"

Admittedly I shouldn't have bothered with the last line, but it would help Andy. Remember, this is the guy who was a "worldie" footballer.

That's the same for anyone though isn't it? Since GB has a decent record for signing players for peanuts and turning them decent- I'd probably argue him as good candidate for this scenario that you paint.

I do not prefer to respond to "stuff like this than discuss". If you hadn't tried to criticise personal remarks by making one yourself, my post wouldn't have been made.

Your second post is to a discussion point I made, and which I prefer to make. So responding to that, if Gary can turn up Gestedes for peanuts every season, I'll be well satisfied. Forgive me if I'm dubious though.

[47er]

We are in the top half of the Championship - hardly on the way down. We got relegated - it happens. The owners made horrendous errors - they are not the first and they won't be the last. We have to regroup and rebuild - so have a lot of clubs over the years - Man City, Leeds, Southampton, Norwich, Leicester City, Wolves, Sheff Wed., Sheff Utd., all larger than us in terms of potential fan base and all had to regroup in League One. There are positives but some refuse to look for them.

"We got relegated-----it happens" Puhleeeeeese! Thousands of fans told them we were going to get relegated with Kean. We all knew!

Relegation happens to 3 clubs every year but never in the way we were. I cannot get over it as you seem to have, I feel sick in the stomach just thinking about it. I will never forget or forgive.

[K-Hod]

Our relegation was completely man made. Whilst one day we may have been relegated further down the line, it doesn't make being done up like a kipper by that drink driving lamb shanker and his PR machine orchestrated by he who shall not be named any easier to take.

That was unforgivable.

[Stuart]

It's not two wins and all forgiven. I've never actually thought time up for GB because of all the other stuff that's gone on. You know this, I'm not swinging my opinion based on weekly occurrences.

I'm not part of a gang either. I have an opinion and discuss it. I should stop replying to personal stuff that's a "shay" given.

It's difficult to discuss much with you Stuart, mainly because I find it baffling your need for a scapegoat, this years new line is Hanley.

People keep saying that Bowyer is learning. This year's line is not Hanley, it's not Lowe, it's not Baptiste out of position, Cairney out of position, players benched after MoM performances, favourites being brought in ahead of what has worked. It's not about 12 game unbeaten runs with certain personnel out who are then brought back despite it not working. It's not about being exactly where we were this time last year. It's not about blaming FFP for our lack of ability to bring in (even more) players - despite having a year to prepare.

It's not about individual scapegoats, it's about examples that Bowyer is not actually learning and is simply getting success when the right decisions are taken out of his hands.

I know you don't like it but I watch with great interest what team is selected when we have a fully fit squad. Experience and history says that Hanley and Lowe will be back and performing players dropped. We shall see.

[ABBEY]

It breaks your heart when Rovers Win. You're a disgrace.

Getting personal again ...shock horror

[K-Hod]

For one I'm just glad Henley is having a run of games at the minute, he seems to be doing much better now. Get the lad to bulk up in pre-season and our right back problem might just go away....

I really hope Lowe and Hanley don't just come back into the team automatically, if players in their position have lost form by the time they are fit then that's different!