[Archived] Gary Bowyer Discussion

[roverzee]

Ha ha... Thought one of the Rovers Fans would bite

TBH this squad should be play offs very least more than likely should of been challenging for automatic promotion but looks like that ship sailed and maybe our best chance of getting back up as I'd be very surprised to see JR and Rudy here next season

You must be so proud. Is your Monday night complete - a bit of internet trolling, chucking some hate at the manager of BRFC, well done.

Hopefully you won't see Rhodes or Gestede here next season - because you've ****ed off, not them.

[blueboy3333]

You may not recall but as we entered December we were in and around the top 6 - I think we even reached the lofty heights of sixth place at one point. We were being talked up as genuine promotion candidates. Of course that shift in expectation from the crowd brings pressure. Much like last season, our players and management team couldn't handle it and we slipped away, until we were so far behind it once again became very unlikely we'd get anywhere near the playoffs.

I'm sure that, now there's almost no hope of us getting into the playoffs, our sudden run of good form is just a coincidence and nothing at all to do with the mental strength of the manager/players. But it does seem odd that every time we get near the goal we suddenly start falling short - whether it's Yeovil last season or Millwall/Blackpool this season.

promotion hopefuls? crowd pressure? when was this? most of the haters had written this season off before it started, now you're saying the team were only written off after we drew with Blackpool and that before then you all had us nailed on promotion certs? Extra 'hater' points for bringing up Yeovil again from last season though, yet conveniently forgetting all the good results we've had :-)

You've still not answered me on how many games you've been on this season? If the players are cracking under the pressure and not performing well as a result this would be evident on the pitch. I can't say i've seen the evidence but you may know better?

[Amo]

Nothing to do with presuure and everything to do with a bad run of form, and in some cases bad luck and not finishing our chances.

You're describing the symptoms and not the cause.

[DE.]

It's easy to dismiss things as "bad luck", but that's a loser's mentality. Winners make their own luck.

[ABBEY]

promotion hopefuls? crowd pressure? when was this? most of the haters had written this season off before it started, now you're saying the team were only written off after we drew with Blackpool and that before then you all had us nailed on promotion certs? Extra 'hater' points for bringing up Yeovil again from last season though, yet conveniently forgetting all the good results we've had :-)

You've still not answered me on how many games you've been on this season? If the players are cracking under the pressure and not performing well as a result this would be evident on the pitch. I can't say i've seen the evidence but you may know better?

haters hahahaha? Name one person who HATES bowyer

[Amo]

And if Bowyer's critics are 'haters', does that make his supporters 'lovers'?

[Athlete]

You must be so proud. Is your Monday night complete - a bit of internet trolling, chucking some hate at the manager of BRFC, well done.

Hopefully you won't see Rhodes or Gestede here next season - because you've ****ed off, not them.

Ha Ha did your mum help you write that

As for hate there's no hatred or malice in my original comments...

Now don't forget your homework

[Exiled in Toronto]

It's easy to dismiss things as "bad luck", but that's a loser's mentality. Winners make their own luck.

Every Rovers team I've ever watched has had bad runs with no obvious cause. Even the omnipotent Allardyce went nine without a win, pressure of pushing for 12th I imagine.

When we crumbled under pressure it was never due to getting into contention in November, it was the real pressure of staying in it from March onwards. In my very first season in the late Sixties, we were in and around the top two till now then finished eighth. We perennially crumbled about now during most of the eighties and, of course, we had the six losses on the trot in the promotion year and the losses home to Man City and away to West Ham in the title winning season run in.

Plus, if it really was pressure then that speaks a lot more about the players than it does the manager. Not what one would expect of a squad that apparently would walk into the top 6 under any other manager.

Personally I thought our bad form this year coincided with the manager being particulalrly indecisive on his formation and best players, combined with an obvious loss of form in previously key players such as Cairney, Marshall and Conway plus a shaky goalie.

[thenodrog]

don't go asking for logic from the braying 'Bowyer Out' mob, one of them posts something that is factually incorrect and then they all run with it till they're proved wrong. Then they make something else up...

The fact is we had an awful spell in December/January which included games we really should have won ( Bolton, Wigan, Sheff W) and it's going to cost us probably. Nothing to do with presuure and everything to do with a bad run of form, and in some cases bad luck and not finishing our chances. Of course there are outliers like the Blackpool game but overall we have been competetive in the vast majority of games we play.

Every promoted team suffers a dip in form at some stage during a season. I rem GS's 2000/01 promotion winners had a slump in the Autumn which he bought his way out of whilst our stuttering finish in 91 could never have been predicted given the personnel and the way the team had been playing previously.

[yoda]

Every Rovers team I've ever watched has had bad runs with no obvious cause. Even the omnipotent Allardyce went nine without a win, pressure of pushing for 12th I imagine.

When we crumbled under pressure it was never due to getting into contention in November, it was the real pressure of staying in it from March onwards. In my very first season in the late Sixties, we were in and around the top two till now then finished eighth. We perennially crumbled about now during most of the eighties and, of course, we had the six losses on the trot in the promotion year and the losses home to Man City and away to West Ham in the title winning season run in.

Plus, if it really was pressure then that speaks a lot more about the players than it does the manager. Not what one would expect of a squad that apparently would walk into the top 6 under any other manager.

Personally I thought our bad form this year coincided with the manager MD being particulalrly decisive on his formation and best players, combined with an obvious loss of form in previously key players such as Cairney, Marshall and Conway plus a shaky goalie.

[Athlete]

Every promoted team suffers a dip in form at some stage during a season. I rem GS's 2000/01 promotion winners had a slump in the Autumn which he bought his way out of whilst our stuttering finish in 91 could never have been predicted given the personnel and the way the team had been playing previously.

Plymouth away to assure the play offs was a memorable trip

[thenodrog]

haters hahahaha? Name one person who HATES bowyer

Name one person who hates Jordan Rhodes.

Touche Abbs.

Ha Ha did your mum help you write that

As for hate there's no hatred or malice in my original comments...

Now don't forget your homework

I wish I still had homework to do!

[Athlete]

Name one person who hates Jordan Rhodes.

Touche Abbs.

Chaddy has a dislike for Robbo

BTW chaddyrovers it's banter

[thenodrog]

Personally I thought our bad form this year coincided with the manager being particulalrly indecisive on his formation and best players, combined with an obvious loss of form in previously key players such as Cairney, Marshall and Conway plus a shaky goalie.

I blamed some shapeless midfield diamond tactics that turned our midfield into a narrow unworkeable blob.

[DE.]

Every Rovers team I've ever watched has had bad runs with no obvious cause. Even the omnipotent Allardyce went nine without a win, pressure of pushing for 12th I imagine.

When we crumbled under pressure it was never due to getting into contention in November, it was the real pressure of staying in it from March onwards. In my very first season in the late Sixties, we were in and around the top two till now then finished eighth. We perennially crumbled about now during most of the eighties and, of course, we had the six losses on the trot in the promotion year and the losses home to Man City and away to West Ham in the title winning season run in.

Plus, if it really was pressure then that speaks a lot more about the players than it does the manager. Not what one would expect of a squad that apparently would walk into the top 6 under any other manager.

Personally I thought our bad form this year coincided with the manager being particulalrly indecisive on his formation and best players, combined with an obvious loss of form in previously key players such as Cairney, Marshall and Conway plus a shaky goalie.

I take your point regarding the players, but confidence and mental strength also comes from the manager. A good manager pushes his players through that barrier, whereas others cannot halt the slide. I personally don't think it's a coincidence that in both of the last two seasons we've faltered when expectations have been high.

Every promoted team suffers a dip in form at some stage during a season. I rem GS's 2000/01 promotion winners had a slump in the Autumn which he bought his way out of whilst our stuttering finish in 91 could never have been predicted given the personnel and the way the team had been playing previously.

There were no slumps for Leicester and Burnley last year, to be fair. They pretty much spent the entire season on top. Strong mentalities in both sides, aided by having strong managers. Pearson looks to be cracking a bit now, but Dyche has been impressive with his determination and it seems to have filtered through to the players. After their first six games this season I expected Burnley to finish rock bottom, but they've kept fighting and could well get out of it if Sunderland continue to fall.

[ABBEY]

Name one person who hates Jordan Rhodes.

Touche Abbs.

I wish I still had homework to do!

But bowyer doesn't score for fun

[Exiled in Toronto]

I take your point regarding the players, but confidence and mental strength also comes from the manager. A good manager pushes his players through that barrier, whereas others cannot halt the slide. I personally don't think it's a coincidence that in both of the last two seasons we've faltered when expectations have been high.

There were no slumps for Leicester and Burnley last year, to be fair. They pretty much spent the entire season on top. Strong mentalities in both sides, aided by having strong managers. Pearson looks to be cracking a bit now, but Dyche has been impressive with his determination and it seems to have filtered through to the players. After their first six games this season I expected Burnley to finish rock bottom, but they've kept fighting and could well get out of it if Sunderland continue to fall.

I've seen better Rovers' managers than Bowyer have worse runs so I don't know where their mental strength went at the time.

When the pressure is on some managers clearly try not to lose rather than keep going all out for wins, but I thought Bowyer just didn't seem to have much idea what he was doing in the bad run. The emergence of Henley and Brown together with Hanley being grassy knolled and Steele realizing he had genuine competition for his place have helped Bowyer a lot and perhaps given him to much credit for getting results in these carefree days.

[DE.]

I've seen better Rovers' managers than Bowyer have worse runs so I don't know where their mental strength went at the time.

When the pressure is on some managers clearly try not to lose rather than keep going all out for wins, but I thought Bowyer just didn't seem to have much idea what he was doing in the bad run. The emergence of Henley and Brown together with Hanley being grassy knolled and Steele realizing he had genuine competition for his place have helped Bowyer a lot and perhaps given him to much credit for getting results in these carefree days.

Of course, you're right that bad runs happen to even the best teams and the best managers. It just seems that ours have a noticeable pattern.

I'd love for GB to be able to get it right and get us into contention. I don't think any proper Rovers fan would say otherwise. Gary's a club man who's come up through the ranks and seems like a decent bloke. If he came good I'd be absolutely delighted. Unfortunately, as you say, Gary seems to struggle to arrest a slide and seems to have stumbled into our recent set up and form as opposed to masterminded it. I fear that when Hanley and Lowe are fit again they'll be right back in the team and we'll start to fall away again. That's not to say they are the only problem, but the continuous inclusion of Hanley in particular has been a mistake which, IMO, Bowyer would still be making if his hand hadn't been forced.

Can we push on under Bowyer? I certainly hope so. I have my doubts though, and until we are able to genuinely mount a sustained push for - at the very least - a playoff position, I can't summon much optimism.

[blueboy3333]

You're describing the symptoms and not the cause.

Rhodes missing some sitters, Conway & Marshall off form and Hanley playing like a lummox were some of the causes. Not everything can be blamed on the manager (although if he brings Hanley back for anything other than injuries forcing his hand then Bowyer should rightly be criticised).

We've now hit form again. I presume the players should take all the credit?

[roverzee]

Ha Ha did your mum help you write that

Now don't forget your homework

"mum"? "homework"?

Is that the best you can do?

A sad reflection of how low this MB has fallen.

[yoda]

Rhodes missing some sitters, Conway & Marshall off form and Hanley playing like a lummox were some of the causes. Not everything can be blamed on the manager (although if he brings Hanley back for anything other than injuries forcing his hand then Bowyer should rightly be criticised).

We've now hit form again. I presume the players should take all the credit?

Keep presuming there's a good lad,

Maybe its down to Degsy keeping his oar out

[ABBEY]

"mum"? "homework"?

Is that the best you can do?

A sad reflection of how low this MB has fallen.

It's fallen because every time you post you moan about the message board .

[Athlete]

"mum"? "homework"?

Is that the best you can do?

A sad reflection of how low this MB has fallen.

it started to fall when the likes of you started posting....roverzee WT is that name.........

[blueboy3333]

Keep presuming there's a good lad,

Maybe its down to Degsy keeping his oar out

you should spill the beans on Degsy, you obviously need to get something off your chest. Or are you just imagining it like you did when you said i'd asked someone to close a thread?

It's easy to dismiss things as "bad luck", but that's a loser's mentality. Winners make their own luck.

or it's what people who have attended the matches have seen? How many games have you been on again?

[yoda]

you should spill the beans on Degsy, you obviously need to get something off your chest. Or are you just imagining it like you did when you said i'd asked someone to close a thread?

or it's what people who have attended the matches have seen? How many games have you been on again?

Don't worry, you will be the 1st not to know when I have it confirmed