[Archived] Gary Bowyer Discussion

[Parsonblue]

Better players sold. No ability to get that bit extra out of them, regressing in the table. I'd say 2 more seasons and he'll take us down. But you soon won't live in the area anymore and you will then be even more excused from misreading the mood.

You may go but its time to see.

I see a guy doing a pretty decent job and certainly not taking us down like the more experienced managers who seem to have sunk Blackpool, Wigan and Millwall this season. Thank goodness we didn't opt for Malky or Holloway as so many suggested.

[Gav]

Better players sold. No ability to get that bit extra out of them, regressing in the table. I'd say 2 more seasons and he'll take us down. But you soon won't live in the area anymore and you will then be even more excused from misreading the mood.

You may go but its time to see.

Living in the area or not I'll see more football than you Shaun, so my opinion and reading of the situation will be always be more valid.

Preaching to people that go every week is laughable, but I'm sure posters are getting wise to your incessant posts and inflammatory ramblings without actually leaving youre bedroom.

I have no problem with people that can't attend on a regular basis like Topman etc, but you're posting simply to wind people up in my opinion and the more you post hopefully the less people take notice.

[DE.]

I see a guy doing a pretty decent job and certainly not taking us down like the more experienced managers who seem to have sunk Blackpool, Wigan and Millwall this season. Thank goodness we didn't opt for Malky or Holloway as so many suggested.

Different clubs suit different managers. We don't know that Holloway or Mackay (who I'd go nowhere near anyway) would have failed here any more than we know Bowyer would have done a better job at their respective clubs. All we can say is both have much better CVs than our current manager. A bit silly to suggest people were stupid for wanting experienced managers at the helm as opposed to a rookie.

As for Clark, other than Huddersfield he's been employed at two clubs in total disarray so somewhat difficult to judge him as a manager. Another one that I wouldn't have any interest in, mind.

[gumboots]

All valid points, Gumboots. What's the alternative? Bumble along with Bowyer for another 12 months?

If I knew the answer and had a magic wand to make it happen, I'd sort it tonight. Unfortunately it seems our club will die of neglect. My daughter hadn't been to rovers for a while as she works most match days. She was shocked and saddened by the lack of atmosphere in the ground and said she was looking at the potential end of Rovers. I think she thought I was being a drama queen when I told her how awful it was but seeing it first hand is very different. I just don't see how we, the fans can change anything.

[Husky]

Does anyone think we'll be good enough to challenge for promotion out of League One in the not so distant future?

[Rover_Shaun]

Living in the area or not I'll see more football than you Shaun, so my opinion and reading of the situation will be always be more valid.

Preaching to people that go every week is laughable, but I'm sure posters are getting wise to your incessant posts and inflammatory ramblings without actually leaving youre bedroom.

I have no problem with people that can't attend on a regular basis like Topman etc, but you're posting simply to wind people up in my opinion and the more you post hopefully the less people take notice.

How is telling as I see it winding people up? If you disagree say why rather than have a dig in order to get a response.......oh but that wouldn't be winding someone up now would it. I don't think you realise how hypocritical you sound sometimes Gav. And the bedroom jibe never loses it's appeal. You could pull my hair and run away too if I had any. Posting releases my Rovers related frustration and I couldn't give a monkeys if nobody reads it.....but that's not living up to the caricature of me is it? Sorry.

Maybe because I'm more vocal and have been consistant in my views (most of that period against the general MB editorial. Well it's sure caught me up now) I seem to be singled out as the only one, of probably 80% of this forum who are non-attenders, who is not allowed an opinion. Be dismissive all you like but I am mostly right....imo of course.

[Waggy76]

Does anyone think we'll be good enough to challenge for promotion out of League One in the not so distant future?[/quote

Not with the Venkys in charge !

[Rover_Shaun]

Different clubs suit different managers. We don't know that Holloway or Mackay (who I'd go nowhere near anyway) would have failed here any more than we know Bowyer would have done a better job at their respective clubs. All we can say is both have much better CVs than our current manager. A bit silly to suggest people were stupid for wanting experienced managers at the helm as opposed to a rookie.

As for Clark, other than Huddersfield he's been employed at two clubs in total disarray so somewhat difficult to judge him as a manager. Another one that I wouldn't have any interest in, mind.

Yep. King Kenny.....Newcastle and 2nd stint at Liverpool as a Rovers related example. Different clubs, different circumstances and blows a Joe Brand sized hole in what is a precarious rational.

[Parsonblue]

Does anyone think we'll be good enough to challenge for promotion out of League One in the not so distant future?

If we stick with Bowyer we certainly won't be going down to League One so no worries there in the future - distant or otherwise.

[tomphil]

People like the fat controller and singh for that matter were involved very deeply at Rovers and with Venkys. Things like that don't go away overnight so I remain very sceptical either of them don't still have the ear of some at the very least.

Who pulls Shaws strings and why wasn't he potted when he should have been, almost Keanesqe. Think who got him in and their involvement in previous power struggles. Then we have Alan Myers walking straight in and probably climbing his way straight up the food chain. Where did he come from and who virtually runs his previous but one employers.

There's still a whiff at Rovers just not as odious as before, maybe because it's buried deep !

[Proudtobeblue&white]

If we stick with Bowyer we certainly won't be going down to League One so no worries there in the future - distant or otherwise.

PB, how can you say that with such certainty? We are in the Championship next season.

What guarantees have you that Madame will say she will not countenance the sales of the Crown Jewels?

If JR, Rudy, King go, we are seriously weakened.....I fear we will struggle massively without.

[Rover_Shaun]

If we stick with Bowyer we certainly won't be going down to League One so no worries there in the future - distant or otherwise.

We are heading in that direction with the better players. Think of it without them, with the managers 2 year inability to improve the defence 1 iota, his teams tendancy to bottle the big league games, the big hoof tactics and his continuing tactical deficiency and it more plausible than not. Keep to your 4 year GB plan and we'll be nearer league1 than the prem.

[Andyblue2]

If we stick with Bowyer we certainly won't be going down to League One so no worries there in the future - distant or otherwise.

It's coming to something when you are championing a manager who won't get us relegated. You on the payroll or what ??

[tomphil]

If there is a massive sale in the summer then there is every chance we could go down. Bowyer relies on his good players turning up every now and again, without them he's in trouble that's pretty obvious. The blame couldn't really be laid at his door though and if he recruited well again from the bargain basement then he's enough about him to steer the club through choppy waters. To say he's a sure bet to keep us in this div though is deluded.

[Baz]

If we stick with Bowyer we certainly won't be going down to League One so no worries there in the future - distant or otherwise.

Well if we keep "progressing" in the same way under GB it will be a certainty, not a worry.

[47er]

Gumboots is right, the club is dying by death of a thousand cuts.

The only people who care are the supporters who can't do anything about it.

[Athlete]

People like the fat controller and singh for that matter were involved very deeply at Rovers and with Venkys. Things like that don't go away overnight so I remain very sceptical either of them don't still have the ear of some at the very least.

Who pulls Shaws strings and why wasn't he potted when he should have been, almost Keanesqe. Think who got him in and their involvement in previous power struggles. Then we have Alan Myers walking straight in and probably climbing his way straight up the food chain. Where did he come from and who virtually runs his previous but one employers.

There's still a whiff at Rovers just not as odious as before, maybe because it's buried deep !

Its there alright...

It's coming to something when you are championing a manager who won't get us relegated. You on the payroll or what ??

No he's friends of Gaz

Gumboots is right, the club is dying by death of a thousand cuts.

The only people who care are the supporters who can't do anything about it.

That is the hardest bitterest pill to swallow we can't do a thing about it.. I'll be there on Saturday gutted that the season Liverpool aside is over before winters end.. In all honesty with the drivel what's been served up at Ewood this season butlins season lasted longer

[Amo]

I know Parson's regarded as something of a superfan for his match reports and whatnot, but his cronyism towards Bowyer is bordering on shameful.

[ABBEY]

If we stick with Bowyer we certainly won't be going down to League One so no worries there in the future - distant or otherwise.

It's L1 standard . What makes you so sure ?

Seriously what makes you say don't worry .

[Husky]

If we stick with Bowyer we certainly won't be going down to League One so no worries there in the future - distant or otherwise.

I don't know. We're certainly heading in that direction. We're going to finish in a worse position than last season and will more than likely lose one or even both of our top scorers before the start of next season as well as the only current player that can run over 5kmph.

Hoofball at a wet and windy Vale Park is closer than you think.

[Gav]

How is telling as I see it winding people up? If you disagree say why rather than have a dig in order to get a response.......oh but that wouldn't be winding someone up now would it. I don't think you realise how hypocritical you sound sometimes Gav. And the bedroom jibe never loses it's appeal. You could pull my hair and run away too if I had any. Posting releases my Rovers related frustration and I couldn't give a monkeys if nobody reads it.....but that's not living up to the caricature of me is it? Sorry.

Maybe because I'm more vocal and have been consistant in my views (most of that period against the general MB editorial. Well it's sure caught me up now) I seem to be singled out as the only one, of probably 80% of this forum who are non-attenders, who is not allowed an opinion. Be dismissive all you like but I am mostly right....imo of course.

It's a good attemp and I'm sure some people will fall for it Shaun.....

I've said my piece and I don't want to bore fellow posters anymore.

You're just a good old bean, a Rover through and through, let's leave it at that.

[Parsonblue]

I know Parson's regarded as something of a superfan for his match reports and whatnot, but his cronyism towards Bowyer is bordering on shameful.

So having a different viewpoint is not allowed in your world? I thought a forum was to allow discussion on various aspects and that all views were welcomed. Clearly, not if they disagree with the font of all knowledge. Perhaps I might take you more seriously if you actually watched a game or two. I repeat, in my opinion, Bowyer is doing a decent job. If you disagree tough, I'm entitled to an opinion and to express it as often as I wish. If you don't like it feel free to put me on ignore.

[Parsonblue]

It's L1 standard . What makes you so sure ?

Seriously what makes you say don't worry .

Abbey, the football has been nowhere near as poor as people make out. If it was as poor as that we would be sitting alongside Blackpool and Wigan rather than comfortably situated as we are. Heaven knows I've seen far worse and folk didn't want to hound the manager out of a job or wish injuries on players to keep them out of the side - that seems to be a post Premier League fad. The manager and coaching staff are more than capable to keeping this club viable in the Championship and putting long term foundations in place at the Academy and Under-21 level. It will take time, of that there is no doubt, but I honestly don't feel the same sense of depression I did when Kean, Ince or Jim Iley were at the helm. In many ways I liken Bowyer to Bob Saxton's period in charge. Not always a bed of roses but the club didn't drop into the Third Division - admittedly we had a scare or two - and had some seasons of challenging for promotion.

[roverzee]

I know Parson's regarded as something of a superfan for his match reports and whatnot, but his cronyism towards Bowyer is bordering on shameful.

Shameful? Really?? How you can sit 300 miles away in Hampshire (with your 14,000 posts under your belt) and slag off someone who invests more time than almost anyone else to watch the blue and white halves in all their guises - Under 18s, Under 21s, 1st team, home and away - is totally beyond me.

Maybe after 10+ years of watching Bowyer's teams on a regular basis he knows a bit more about him than the rest of us. It's indisputable that his opinion on the matter is worth 10 times what yours is.

For you to publically judge PB's opinion from the south coast in such a condescending manner is disgusting. Would you even be able to find Ewood Park without a satnav?

[47er]

Shebby has always been written off as a fool, but he did get rid of Kean, he did sign Rhodes against the managers wishes and he did want Sherwood to be the next manager.

Criticised for it at the time, but would we be better off now if we had signed Sherwood? Neither of the two disastrous appointments which followed, still got Bowyer as coach, and no Bowyer as manager. Looks like we missed a trick there imo.

I wager we'd have been playing intense and attacking football too, Sherwood would not have given our passive lot an easy ride, he has that winning mentality.