[Archived] Gary Bowyer Discussion

[blueboy3333]

It wasn't posted by Blueboy, so pretty sure it's sarcasm.

been to a Rovers game recently or do you just spend your time goading on here?

[DE.]

Thought that light jab might bring you crawling out from the rock you've been hiding under

Comments on the game? Bowyer?

[gumboots]

I've been to every home game and it's got worse match on match. I arrive now and watch the clock till it mercifully gets to 90 mins and I can think about going home. It's boring and if I can see what's wrong then why can't the guy who is paid to do the job see what's wrong and put it right? It's mad. I can't justify a season ticket next year. I'd rather go away and choose games where I can visit places I haven't been and make a bit of a holiday of it.

[ABBEY]

been to a Rovers game recently or do you just spend your time goading on here?

I go and its @#/? @#/? !

[blueboy3333]

Thought that light jab might bring you crawling out from the rock you've been hiding under

Comments on the game? Bowyer?

so you admit to goading? oh dear.

As you don't go to games it wouldn't be worth discussing games with you. It must be very difficult for you to have anything worthwhile to contribute so i feel sorry for you in that respect. Take care now.

[DE.]

so you admit to goading? oh dear.

As you don't go to games it wouldn't be worth discussing games with you. It must be very difficult for you to have anything worthwhile to contribute so i feel sorry for you in that respect. Take care now.

Since you do go I thought you might want to educate a fellow fan, rather than throw a tantrum. Never mind. Thanks for the sympathy, but based on the comments from the posters on here who do go I don't feel like I'm missing out on much. A few people seem to like what I post so I guess I'm doing something right!

[blueboy3333]

I go and its @#/? @#/? !

yep, some games certainly have, but there have also been some very good performances. We are where we deserve to be though, lack of consistency has seen to that and some overly negative approaches to the game. It's time Bowyer started blooding some of the youngsters and preparing for next season. Whether Bowyer should be the manager is another question entirely. I think he's done a good job so far all things considered whilst you and many others don't, which is fair enough. I don't think we will change each others minds though.

If you could promise me that we could attract the likes of Warburton to the club and he could replicate the quick inventive football that he has produced at brentford then I don't think any paying Rovers fan would say no.

Since you do go I thought you might want to educate a fellow fan, rather than throw a tantrum. Never mind. Thanks for the sympathy, but based on the comments from the posters on here who do go I don't feel like I'm missing out on much. A few people seem to like what I post so I guess I'm doing something right!

well you can engage with them then, and leave me out of your petty goading.

[Amo]

If you could promise me that we could attract the likes of Warburton to the club and he could replicate the quick inventive football that he has produced at brentford then I don't think any paying Rovers fan would say no.

Small-town club, transfer embargoed, parachute payments drying up, dwindling gates. Every season we remain out of the top flight is a death sentence for Rovers. I don't see the sense in sticking with Bowyer because it's less risk than hiring someone else. Every managerial appointment is a risk, especially at a club with our deep-rooted problems, but the bigger the risk the greater the reward.

[Gav]

Small-town club, transfer embargoed, parachute payments drying up, dwindling gates. Every season we remain out of the top flight is a death sentence for Rovers. I don't see the sense in sticking with Bowyer because it's less risk than hiring someone else. Every managerial appointment is a risk, especially at a club with our deep-rooted problems, but the bigger the risk the greater the reward.

Would you rather have Craig Short or Gary Bowyer Toppers?

I really can't see past Venkys appointing Short if Bowyer is sacked, its the easy cheap option and Venkys way of doing business.

[Amo]

Would you rather have Craig Short or Gary Bowyer Toppers?

False dichotomy, Gav. How do you know Short would be the next manager? The owners have recruited externally as many times as internally.

[blueboy3333]

Small-town club, transfer embargoed, parachute payments drying up, dwindling gates. Every season we remain out of the top flight is a death sentence for Rovers. I don't see the sense in sticking with Bowyer because it's less risk than hiring someone else. Every managerial appointment is a risk, especially at a club with our deep-rooted problems, but the bigger the risk the greater the reward.

you've just mentioned all the reasons why we might not get a 'top' manager.

As for the 'risk' part that's easy to say but i'm not sure what you mean? Bowyer was a risk, so was Berg. I've said i'd like to see Warburton appointed or someone else who can bring fast attacking football to Ewood. How likely is that to happen?

[Stuart]

Would you rather have Craig Short or Gary Bowyer Toppers?

Not that simple. If it were we'd have had Neil McDonald.

There's more chance of it being Tony Grant and John Filan, with Eric Kinder as DoF.

[Amo]

you've just mentioned all the reasons why we might not get a 'top' manager.

Depends what you define as a 'top manager'. Look at what Kenny Jackett has done at Wolves, or whoever's managing Watford these days. Not exactly big names. Rovers are still an attractive prospect for a manager looking to make his name, but at this rate not for much longer.

As for the 'risk' part that's easy to say but i'm not sure what you mean? Bowyer was a risk, so was Berg.

Exactly, every decision to change manager is a risk. However, some risks are more calculated than others. Do we stick with Bowyer and hope that he can do what he's been unable to do in two years, or give someone else the chance?

I've said i'd like to see Warburton appointed or someone else who can bring fast attacking football to Ewood. How likely is that to happen?

So we shouldn't try because it's unlikely to succeed?

[Gav]

False dichotomy, Gav. How do you know Short would be the next manager? The owners have recruited externally as many times as internally.

Craig Short would take over as caretaker manager, if he got a few wins under his belt they'd appoint him, I'm convinced of that, but time will tell as Bowyers getting sacked thats for sure, its just when.

[Hasta]

It's not even up for debate anymore that Bowyer is not good enough. Now it's back to sticking with him cos the alternative might be worse.

The answer for 12 months has been to change manager. Certain people will not agree until we are in the bottom 3. Even then FFP and money will be an excuse for some.

[Gav]

It's not even up for debate anymore that Bowyer is not good enough. Now it's back to sticking with him cos the alternative might be worse.

The answer for 12 months has been to change manager. Certain people will not agree until we are in the bottom 3. Even then FFP and money will be an excuse for some.

It's always been my stance that the alternative will probably be worse, I firmly believe that, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what's coming.

But posters on here are happy to roll that dice, so if Boywer does get sacked lets see how many are happy with the outcome.

[Amo]

Craig Short would take over as caretaker manager, if he got a few wins under his belt they'd appoint him, I'm convinced of that

Who's to say Short couldn't do better than Bowyer?

but time will tell as Bowyers getting sacked thats for sure, its just when.

Well yeah, eventually. You don't think he'd have the 'dignity' to resign first?

[blueboy3333]

Depends what you define as a 'top manager'. Look at what Keith Jackett has done at Wolves, or whoever's managing Watford these days. Not exactly big names. Rovers are still an attractive prospect for a manager looking to make his name, but at this rate not for much longer.

Both have done very well. Others much lower down the league haven't. Until Venky's select a new manager none of us can judge, but i wouldn't just appoint a new manager for the sake of it and 'take a risk' for the sake of it.

I think Keith Jackett is still available :-)

Exactly, every decision to change manager is a risk. However, some risks are more calculated than others. Do we stick with Bowyer and hope that he can do what he's been unable to do in two years, or give someone else the chance?

That's the point i'm making, do you trust the owners to make a calculated risk. Appointment process thinking so far:-

Kean - got told to appoint him by the Spivs who were involved in the takeover and stood to make a lot of money. Get relegated, get confused and bring Shebby in. Sack Kean. Panic

Berg - employ the man who a few months earlier said 'no credible manager would work for venky's' based purely on the fact he used to play for us. Presumably appointed on the say-so of the Shebbster. Sack him after one win. Panic

Appleton - presumably on the recommendation of Shaw, another with no track record apart from a few decent results at Blackpool. panic

Bowyer - presumably on the basis that he will not rip them off and can somehow save club from tumbling down the leagues. It worked which probably confused them even more.

You want these owners to roll the dice again?

So we shuldn't try because it's unlikely to succeed?

i didn't say that, but it's not me or you trying is it? It's the venky's. You seem to be ignoring that massive elephant in the room.

It's not even up for debate anymore that Bowyer is not good enough. Now it's back to sticking with him cos the alternative might be worse.

The answer for 12 months has been to change manager. Certain people will not agree until we are in the bottom 3. Even then FFP and money will be an excuse for some.

don't be silly. we're not in the bottom 3, that's hypothetical nonsense and there's been no indication under Bowyer that that is going to happen. If you can't see the difference between being in love with Bowyer and being rightfully scared of the next manager that Venky's bring in then you haven't been paying attention the last five years.

Who's to say Short couldn't do better than Bowyer?

I think Short had a very short tenure in Hungary as manager and got fired. Didn't he get fired from Notts County too?

Your position seems to be you want anyone but Bowyer.

[Gav]

Who's to say Short couldn't do better than Bowyer?

Well yeah, eventually. You don't think he'd have the 'dignity' to resign first?

Craig Short may well be the next Brian Clough, but I doubt it. Given the choice i'd much rather have Bowyer, and I don't think he'll resign unless the fans start getting on his back, that could push him out.

[Hasta]

don't be silly. we're not in the bottom 3, that's hypothetical nonsense and there's been no indication under Bowyer that that is going to happen. If you can't see the difference between being in love with Bowyer and being rightfully scared of the next manager that Venky's bring in then you haven't been paying attention the last five years.

If you are happy to have a club racking up millions of pounds of debt every year whilst gradually getting worse on the pitch then fine.

If you are happy that by early March the season is dead, with home games being a chore to attend due to the meaningless of the fixtures then fine.

If you are happy that we get tactically outmanoeuvred most games, and that possibly our best player keeps getting benched for a striker who looks like he should be playing at the Crown Ground then fine.

If you are happy that a return to the top flight looks highly unlikely then fine.

If you are happy with listening to the same old excuses being spouted in the media , when it is blatantly obvious we were not good enough, then fine.

Bowyer has now proven, during the course of over 100 games as manager of Blackburn Rovers, that he is not good enough to mount a promotion challenge. It's time to roll the dice.

[chaddyrovers]

But Chaddy doesn't that seem to you to be wasting the biggest chance we've had to go up. Two of the best forwards in the league both leaving, yet with them we've been nowhere near playoffs? Doesn't that seem like a wasted opportunity? What grounds is there for optimism when the man who has the strikers he has at his disposal can't get us near promotion? What makes you feel he's going to perform better without them? Get players who suit his tactics - that'd be a first? Can't see how the manager isn't to blame for this

Granted our board, the club hierarchy in general, the players who are enjoying easy street, and mostly our owners must all shoulder some blame, but surely someone as influential - and in Rovers case as worryingly powerful - as the manager must take a lot of the blame for this. If not then what the heck is he doing there if he has no influence?

Rhodes is the best finisher in the league but the team isn't set up for him most of the time. Gestede and Rhodes don't work as partnership and that's is clear to see for me. Gestede and King Partnership look good against Stoke.

for me, we lack pace upfront when King isn't in the team. I watched Bournemouth yesterday on TV before going to Ewood Park, I was very impressed with the pace and work hard of their striker Wilson. I thought that what we lacked in our team.

this summer, we are going to have to reshape the forward department this summer when I expect Gestede, King will leave and maybe Rhodes too. we need pacey forward/target man strikers in this summer but Bowyer need to decide what is the best formation with the players we got and developing a playing style. whether it a rigid 4-4-2 formation direct style, or 4-2-3-1 passing style or counter attacking style.

[chaddyrovers]

I don't think he'll resign unless the fans start getting on his back, that could push him out.

we haven't heard any chants for Bowyer to be sack in any of the games Ive attended this season.

The odd chant of Bowyer, Bowyer sort it out. that's been mainly it tbh.

haven't they been in the last couple of away games Chants of 'Gary Bowyer Blue and White Army'? I'm sure I have seen people mention on it on social media sites and on here.

[Husky]

Would you rather have Craig Short or Gary Bowyer Toppers?

Yes, both of them have got a hole in the head.

[Gav]

If you are happy to have a club racking up millions of pounds of debt every year whilst gradually getting worse on the pitch then fine.

If you are happy that by early March the season is dead, with home games being a chore to attend due to the meaningless of the fixtures then fine.

If you are happy that we get tactically outmanoeuvred most games, and that possibly our best player keeps getting benched for a striker who looks like he should be playing at the Crown Ground then fine.

If you are happy that a return to the top flight looks highly unlikely then fine.

If you are happy with listening to the same old excuses being spouted in the media , when it is blatantly obvious we were not good enough, then fine.

Bowyer has now proven, during the course of over 100 games as manager of Blackburn Rovers, that he is not good enough to mount a promotion challenge. It's time to roll the dice.

I'd get used to it if I was you Hasta, it'll be a long time in my opinion before we see top flight football again, we're more than likely going into administration in the next few years.

The manager situation is very much a side show, the owners removal should be top of everyones list and where the venom should be directed IMO.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Personally I think there is zero chance any managerial change would happen before May. It's not like the footy world is awash with great candidates now who will be snapped up by then. Plus I get the impression Madame is "managing" us more like one of their business units than was the case previously. She seems to have bought into a three-year plan from Bowyer/Shaw and will review progress at the end of year two in May. We are no doubt off track as to what the three-year plan predicted by now so then it'll be "What are your plans to get back on track?" The answer to that will determine whether or not to make management changes. Polls on here and even season ticket sales will most likely have no impact whatsoever on the decision.