[Archived] Gary Bowyer Discussion

[Gav]

If you ignore squad budgets, league position, McCarthys entire management career, that we would swap places with them now, their highest paid player is on less than most our reserves, then yeah pretty similar. Like Ronald Koeman is doing a similar job to Martinez.

In all seriousness can you not see the difference Chaddy?

Man Utd have spent 200m and will win nothing this season Baz. They also have one of the best managers in Europe, so what's that telling us?

[Baz]

Man Utd have spent 200m and will win nothing this season Baz. They also have one of the best managers in Europe, so what's that telling us?

Feck all about McCarthy and Bowyer Gav.

[Gav]

Feck all about McCarthy and Bowyer Gav.

We're talking about money though Baz aren't we?

The millions Bowyers had to spend

Its a daft arguement and as Chaddy righly pointed out MM has had 3yrs in the job, after 2yrs the fans didn't want him out on his ear.

[Baz]

Well if we are talkig money, Moyes spent a lot of money didn't do well and was sacked. LvG has spent a lot of money and was told by the board that Champions League was minimum for that outlay.

McCarthy has spent less on transfers than Bowyer has on Agents, and is performing better.

Am i missing the point?

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

We're talking about money though Baz aren't we?

The millions Bowyers had to spend

Its a daft arguement and as Chaddy righly pointed out MM has had 3yrs in the job, after 2yrs the fans didn't want him out on his ear.

Compare our facilities and resources to say Bournemouth Gav and ask yourself where the feck are we going wrong.

Many will point to the man in charge.

[DE.]

We're talking about money though Baz aren't we?

The millions Bowyers had to spend

Its a daft arguement and as Chaddy righly pointed out MM has had 3yrs in the job, after 2yrs the fans didn't want him out on his ear.

Probably because McCarthy has improved Ipswich each season he's been there, whilst we're worse off this season than last season. McCarthy having a track record of getting teams promoted from this division might also have had something to do with Town fans willing to give him time, don't you think?

[Gav]

This season isn't over yet and we're in the quarter finals of the FA Cup, so who's to say we won't improve last season points total?

Not that thats a true reflection of progress of course, many more factors come into play.

[DE.]

This season isn't over yet and we're in the quarter finals of the FA Cup, so who's to say we won't improve last season points total?

Not that thats a true reflection of progress of course, many more factors come into play.

We got 70 points last season. We're on 54 now with 7 games left to play. That means we'd need 16 out of 21 points to match our total from last season, and 17 to surpass it.

Do you honestly think we'll win 6 of our last 7 games, which is essentially what it would take? Come on GAV. You're just arguing for the sake of it now. Why pretend this season is anything other than a backwards step?

[Gav]

Just trying to generate debate DE.

[DE.]

Some other stats in comparison to last season - we scored 70 goals last season, and have so far scored 51 this season. We'll need 19 goals in our last 7 games to match last season's total. We conceded 62 last season and have conceded 50 so far this season. We'd need to concede 12 in our last 7 games to match that.

Unless we get tonked in a couple of our remaining fixtures we'll probably concede slightly less this season than last season. Unfortunately we're also likely to end the campaign with a lot less goals - with our main goalscorers set to leave in the summer...

[Stuart]

Some other stats in comparison to last season - we scored 70 goals last season, and have so far scored 51 this season. We'll need 19 goals in our last 7 games to match last season's total. We conceded 62 last season and have conceded 50 so far this season. We'd need to concede 12 in our last 7 games to match that.

Unless we get tonked in a couple of our remaining fixtures we'll probably concede slightly less this season than last season. Unfortunately we're also likely to end the campaign with a lot less goals - with our main goalscorers set to leave in the summer...

Bowyer's style of play has been a major factor in the reduction in goals. Chances are now at a premium and we need PL standard finishing to take advantage of it.

Let the lads off the leash for the last 7 games and just see what happens, Gaz!!

[ABBEY]

Just trying to generate debate DE.

better debating if the easter bunny is real because theres more chance of that being real .

[Parsonblue]

Well the question was "what have you seen" that suggests he can take us up?

The long term approach is in the future Parson and high wage earners being shown the door - by being paid off by the owners, isn't really evidence of his management promotion credentials, so far.

From all that Parson, the only real argument you've put forward is that there have been several games that we haven't won over the past three or four months, that we deserved more from, along with showing an eye for a cheap player, - that's the evidence that he'll take us up, is it?

It's not, is it.

From the games I've seen I believe that Bowyer is taking the club in the right direction. Therefore, I would back him for at least another season. You disagree, fair enough.

[ABBEY]

really ?

[Parsonblue]

really ?

Yeah, Abbey, really. There have been some dire performances this season but there have also been some excellent ones as well. Too many folk want everything to be black and white and it isn't. During my time following the Rovers I've seen many seasons like this when we flattered to deceive and fell away after hopes were high of achieving something. Seasons, when we had far better players than now, seasons when we had more experienced managers than now, seasons when the level of disappointment was far greater than now, but nobody tried to hound the manager out of a job. The bottom line is that no matter who was manager they would get stick for it not being like it was under Jack or the Trust. Life moves on but, sadly, too many people seem firmly rooted in the past and have difficulty in accepting that the history of any football club is made up of a series of troughs and peaks. Jack wasn't the first owner to take the Rovers to the peak of English football and he wasn't the first owner to see his legacy at Ewood be allowed to evaporate. The twenty years between 1991 and 2011 were wonderful but you have to go back to before the First World War to find it's equal in the club's history. That means there were an awful lot of seasons somewhat like this one in which not a great deal happened to live long in the memory. To me it just seems that perspective has long since gone out of the window with regard to the present debate on the situation the club finds itself in.

[47er]

And I still think you are trying to write a narrative to explain away the inexplicable.

[tomphil]

Thats more like.

WOULD - and you know it

[Proudtobeblue&white]

Yeah, Abbey, really. There have been some dire performances this season but there have also been some excellent ones as well. Too many folk want everything to be black and white and it isn't. During my time following the Rovers I've seen many seasons like this when we flattered to deceive and fell away after hopes were high of achieving something. Seasons, when we had far better players than now, seasons when we had more experienced managers than now, seasons when the level of disappointment was far greater than now, but nobody tried to hound the manager out of a job. The bottom line is that no matter who was manager they would get stick for it not being like it was under Jack or the Trust. Life moves on but, sadly, too many people seem firmly rooted in the past and have difficulty in accepting that the history of any football club is made up of a series of troughs and peaks. Jack wasn't the first owner to take the Rovers to the peak of English football and he wasn't the first owner to see his legacy at Ewood be allowed to evaporate. The twenty years between 1991 and 2011 were wonderful but you have to go back to before the First World War to find it's equal in the club's history. That means there were an awful lot of seasons somewhat like this one in which not a great deal happened to live long in the memory. To me it just seems that perspective has long since gone out of the window with regard to the present debate on the situation the club finds itself in.

It's about context though. They have taken us from top to (relative) bottom in next to no time. We had riches, so apparently have they, now we are paupers. History eh?

[chaddyrovers]

Want to have a go at the two easy questions Chaddy?

Do you want promotion?

What evidence have you seen so far, that he'll get us there?

I'm not interested in Nottingham forest.

Yes I do want Promotion.

Like I have said I have seen some very good performances this season but also some very poor performances aswell. Bowyer has bought well during his reign and got some players very cheap who has improve the team.

Some fans just think sack the manager and appoint another manager and every thing will be good and will be promotion next season. sadly it doesn't work that way. look at how experience managers have struggled this season in this league like Holloway or Mackay or Magath or Adkins.

[Andyblue2]

. Bowyer has bought well during his reign and got some players very cheap who has improve the team.

About 3 weeks ago you came on here Chaddy and you were in support of GB being replaced. Since then we have been even worse but you are now in favour again.....now, if we'd gone on an unbeaten run and looked the part and was knocking on the play off door, I could understand a change of heart. However, things are worse, so why would you change your mind and suddenly be back in support of him?

[Parsonblue]

It's about context though. They have taken us from top to (relative) bottom in next to no time. We had riches, so apparently have they, now we are paupers. History eh?

So what's new? It's happened before when we had riches but it was frittered away - and not by foreign owners. Nothing lasts forever.

[Baz]

Yes I do want Promotion.

Like I have said I have seen some very good performances this season but also some very poor performances aswell. Bowyer has bought well during his reign and got some players very cheap who has improve the team.

Some fans just think sack the manager and appoint another manager and every thing will be good and will be promotion next season. sadly it doesn't work that way. look at how experience managers have struggled this season in this league like Holloway or Mackay or Magath or Adkins.

Are we better than we where 12 months ago?

[ABBEY]

we are better than 3 games ago ..in chaddys eyes.

[Rover_Shaun]

You compared apples to oranges. To build your.case.you.take all our spending this time but only.Souness'. To make your point you need to do Souness' vs Bowyers but that would not support your cause.would it.

I have no claim. I posted facts in response to an incorrect clain. I now wish I'd let the unresearched claim pass me by had I know so many would be so slooowwwww

[Rover_Shaun]

Chaddy point was that MM has been in the job 3yrs to get this far, Bowyer has had 2yrs.

So we're now talking about a monumental turnaround in his 3rd season Gav?

Other than hope what evidence is there that Bowyer can drag us out of this paradigm?