[Archived] Gary Bowyer Discussion

[47er]

Look at GB's selections and it stands out a mile that interference is in play, the current Ewood incumbents have a hand in it too,

Unfair on GB in my opinion

Moreover I have constantly been amazed by the erratic nature of our team selection week by week. No rhyme or reason to them.

A good reflection of our owners style.

[Stuart]

5M pa with no return!!! Why on earth should that need to happen to run a football team? Small wonder It took so long to offload.

How much have they spent relegating us?

I reckon they would have had a far greater return once the new PL money kicked in, together with a PL standard player sale once every other year. The £5m would have simply allowed us to keep looking at the Sambas and Nelsens of this world instread of the Songo'os and Varneys.

Sheesh, we are talking about increasing season ticket prices for crummy lower Championship or League One football but you don't think there would have been any return under the previous arrangement?

[47er]

Problem that you have with that theory is that you don't know whether it's worth it until the games over.

btw Have you ever considered that Blackburn's current issues of food banks, unemployment, segregated schools, drugs, grooming and a town centre that attracts no one after dusk might just be down to generations of Labour control or is that simply not a factor in your world?

Tories have tried to balance the books(and failed) by savagely cutting local Goverment grants and forbidding them from raising rates.

They did it so that people like you could blame local goverment for the shambles not themselves. You think councils want to close libraries?

[yoda]

Tories have tried to balance the books(and failed) by savagely cutting local Goverment grants and forbidding them from raising rates.

They did it so that people like you could blame local goverment for the shambles not themselves. You think councils want to close libraries?

mmmm, so the UK is like Blackburn Rovers

[Rover_Shaun]

Name one youth player Bowyer has given a sustained chance to in 2 full seasons? Even when the season is over and we are "supposedly" down to bare bones....more lies as the first xi has been arguably full strength in the last 2 games, he still bottles giving youth a chance.

Chaddy says Bowyer wants the club to develop talent as a means of moving forward? I say bullsh1t! as the truth says he hasn't the stones to put his neck on the chopper when he probably pestered the pants off many managers to do just that

[Andyblue2]

Chaddy talks @#/?, he should be banned

[chaddyrovers]

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[jim mk2]

btw Have you ever considered that Blackburn's current issues of food banks, unemployment, segregated schools, drugs, grooming and a town centre that attracts no one after dusk might just be down to generations of Labour control or is that simply not a factor in your world? indifference and neglect by Conservative administrations who have wilfully and deliberately damaged the north of England economy.

Reads much better now.

[Parsonblue]

With that being said what would you consider a failure on Bowyers part next season? Just relegation or flirting with it?

That's an easy one Tom. Relegation is the ultimate failure. If the embargo is still in place then flirting with it and avoiding it would be OK. For me the embargo is going to be a major factor in terms of expectations no matter who the manager might be next season. The likes of Jim Smith and Bob Saxton both had seasons flirting with relegation and both had seasons vying for promotion.

[West Yorks Rover]

I hope Brown is better at scoring in bed than he is on the pitch.

I can see him going a full season without netting a goal.

Well don't worry PB if Rhodes and Rudy go at the end of the season, we can always bring Besty back.

According to Soccerbase he has made 28 appearances(probably half from the bench) this season for Derby and Brighton and you guessed it No goals.

[Parsonblue]

PB is always going to be on his friends side...

But unfortunately it's not happening for his friend

Where do you get this friend from? Because, I believe he is worth giving more time to suddenly makes me his friend? For the last time, I've met him a time or two - hardly suggests we are close friends - and like what he has had to say and believe he is doing a decent job. It's my opinion - no more and no less. Is everyone who waxes lyrical about Rudy, his friend?

[mustard]

Bowyer doesn't want to spend loads of money and wants to rebuild the club by bringing through players from the academy, developing players and improving players

Where is the evidence of Bowyer bringing players through from the academy? Henley, Hanley and Lowe were playing before he was appointed, other than that Mahoney has been given a smidgen of game time last year and who else?

No one else has made the cut with Bowyer favouring past-it journeymen over the young guns.

I'm not sure any of the youngsters have developed particularly either. Hanley has gone backwards under the pressure applied to him BY BOWYER giving him the captaincy. My friend spoke to Henley's agent and his confidence was rock bottom after his spells in the side last season and early this season. Thankfully he's found form now he's been given a consistent run, which has only been due to injuries to other players, prior to that he was in and out every few weeks which is hardly good for confidence. Marshall still as inconsistent as when he was at Leicester. Cairney has regressed this season, likely due to Bowyer's idea of playing him as a wide man. This supports debunking the "Bowyer has improved squad value/has signed players for profit" theory as I am not sure we'd make much profit on any player he's signed other than Gestede.

Songo'o was signed and GB said how good he was and how he would become a fans favourite. He's yet to play a minute of first team football. O'Connell allowed to sign for Brentford and O'Connor allowed to sign for Plymouth. Lenihan, O'Sullivan, Mahoney etc not given even a sub appearance this season with Mahoney being the only one who's played first team football before.

Bowyer, despite his youth team roots, has shown nothing to suggest he is intent on developing academy players and there is just as little evidence to support the suggestion he has the quality to develop youth players in preparation for first team football.

I actually wish Bowyer did have as much focus on youth as you suggest, we might actually be performing better.

[thenodrog]

ha ha the person who stopped going mr preacher man............

as for politics I dont go for that

I couldn't support the Kean / Anderson regime. You could. Now that you have the benefit of hindsight who is the idiot? Who is unprincipled? Who cannot see the wood for the trees? You need a clue? Look in the nearest mirror.

1) Yes--kept Rhodes.

2)none. However on this basis we should never part with Gary because we will get somebody worse, and we should hope that Venkys will own us forever because "who would be stupid enough to buy a club in the state our's is in?" Surely only a bigger set of idiots and shysters?

So lets stay as we are, the only issue being should we cut our throats now or die gradually?

Rather late 47er. As some predicted in 2010 we've been dying gradually for 4 years now.

How much have they spent relegating us?

I reckon they would have had a far greater return once the new PL money kicked in, together with a PL standard player sale once every other year. The £5m would have simply allowed us to keep looking at the Sambas and Nelsens of this world instread of the Songo'os and Varneys.

Sheesh, we are talking about increasing season ticket prices for crummy lower Championship or League One football but you don't think there would have been any return under the previous arrangement?

We both know that both of those options would have been strictly resisted and widely condemned by the supporters. For some reason supporters take a dim view of owners getting a return on their investment.

Tories have tried to balance the books(and failed) by savagely cutting local Goverment grants and forbidding them from raising rates.

They did it so that people like you could blame local goverment for the shambles not themselves. You think councils want to close libraries?

Just as an aside 47er when was the last time you went to the reference library? Bar a few instances Google has seen it off and kindle has seen off the lending library.

Reads much better now.

Yawn

[47er]

Theno, I have not been to a Reference Library since I was a student moons ago, but I would like to think younger people would have the same resources I did then.

As for the "bit late" comment, since I have been making much the same point for years I'm not sure how you reach that conclusion.

[jim mk2]

Just as an aside 47er when was the last time you went to the reference library? Bar a few instances Google has seen it off and kindle has seen off the lending library.

Nonsense as usual. Students at the best universities spend most of their time in the library.

[Kamy100]

To suggest that Parson is backing Gary because he is his friend is complete and utter nonsense.

Parson is someone who has supported the club his entire life, he has seen the good times and the bad times. He is someone who watches not only first teams matches but also the under 21's and the academy teams and is steeped in the history of our great club. While you might not agree with him on Gary, he is entitled to his opinion and it should be respected.

[Athlete]

Where do you get this friend from? Because, I believe he is worth giving more time to suddenly makes me his friend? For the last time, I've met him a time or two - hardly suggests we are close friends - and like what he has had to say and believe he is doing a decent job. It's my opinion - no more and no less. Is everyone who waxes lyrical about Rudy, his friend?

Well you can hardly wax lyrical about GB..

To suggest that Parson is backing Gary because he is his friend is complete and utter nonsense.

Parson is someone who has supported the club his entire life, he has seen the good times and the bad times. He is someone who watches not only first teams matches but also the under 21's and the academy teams and is steeped in the history of our great club. While you might not agree with him on Gary, he is entitled to his opinion and it should be respected.

Football is all about opinions but in a result driven business GB hasn't delivered there's no getting away from that...

PB no offence Intended always looked forward to your match reports especially from any away fixtures In wasn't able to attend but of late you really have defended GB way too much and harped back to the past - the golden era - of an awful lot In totally agree and yearn back for unfortunately football has changed and BRFC as a club or a business time isn't on our side

[Athlete]

I couldn't support the Kean / Anderson regime. You could. Now that you have the benefit of hindsight who is the idiot? Who is unprincipled? Who cannot see the wood for the trees? You need a clue? Look in the nearest mirror.

Rather late 47er. As some predicted in 2010 we've been dying gradually for 4 years now.

We both know that both of those options would have been strictly resisted and widely condemned by the supporters. For some reason supporters take a dim view of owners getting a return on their investment.

Just as an aside 47er when was the last time you went to the reference library? Bar a few instances Google has seen it off and kindle has seen off the lending library.

Yawn

I didn't support the Kean Anderson regime as I don't support any of the shysters at in situ now I support Blackburn Rovers and still go unlike your exile.. The day Venkyscum depart will be a day for great rejoicement..

My point being you have the nerve to have a go at fans who are voting with their feet for at the way the club currently is

Some who I know are personally struggling cash and work wise.. That IMO makes you as big a slimeball as the regime you impossed a self exile for...

Also your comments on the town in general are really out of order.. I bet Kate Hollern or Jack Straw wouldn't be impressed

[Jimmy612]

Nonsense as usual. Students at the best universities spend most of their time in the library.

The university library. I went to the local library once in my 3-year degree, and that was to read into the history and redevelopment of Woodfold Hall for one of my construction projects. Other than that, the university libraries are far and away the most useful to a student - that's why they are always packed and more local ones are generally extremely quiet.

Sorry for going off topic.

[Tom]

To suggest that Parson is backing Gary because he is his friend is complete and utter nonsense.

Parson is someone who has supported the club his entire life, he has seen the good times and the bad times. He is someone who watches not only first teams matches but also the under 21's and the academy teams and is steeped in the history of our great club. While you might not agree with him on Gary, he is entitled to his opinion and it should be respected.

Can't like this post enough

Me and Parson differ on our views currently but I have all the time in the world for his opinion as it is genuine with reason to it

[Amo]

Look at GB's selections and it stands out a mile that interference is in play, the current Ewood incumbents have a hand in it too,

Unfair on GB in my opinion

Or, y'know, we have a dithering manager who doesn't know his best team?

[thenodrog]

Theno, I have not been to a Reference Library since I was a student moons ago, but I would like to think younger people would have the same resources I did then.

As for the "bit late" comment, since I have been making much the same point for years I'm not sure how you reach that conclusion.

Indeed you have 47er.

btw re younger people and resources. People can find more on a search engine in 5 minutes than in an afternoon in a reference library!

If you want to reconsider your opinion why not visit Blackburn Library and when you do talk to the staff? (I do know a someone very well who has worked there for many years) The place is now just a den of alky's, druggies, and homosexuals who terrorise and threaten the staff if they dare approach them. I am NOT kidding!

[thenodrog]

Well you can hardly wax lyrical about GB..

Football is all about opinions but in a result driven business GB hasn't delivered there's no getting away from that...

PB no offence Intended always looked forward to your match reports especially from any away fixtures In wasn't able to attend but of late you really have defended GB way too much and harped back to the past - the golden era - of an awful lot In totally agree and yearn back for unfortunately football has changed and BRFC as a club or a business time isn't on our side

Not a Golden era...... that is the REAL world. Quicker that you get used to it the better it will be for you Athlete.

Truth is the public supporting 92 league clubs is just a nonsense. The whole lot of them cannot survive without a nipple to suck on.

[RibbleValleyRover]

To suggest that Parson is backing Gary because he is his friend is complete and utter nonsense.

Parson is someone who has supported the club his entire life, he has seen the good times and the bad times. He is someone who watches not only first teams matches but also the under 21's and the academy teams and is steeped in the history of our great club. While you might not agree with him on Gary, he is entitled to his opinion and it should be respected.

That's the problem with messageboards and the net in general, sometimes people lose sight of the fact that people can have a different opinion. Parson like everyone is entitled to their views, I think he is totally wrong about Bowyer but I respect his opinion.

[Athlete]

Not a Golden era...... that is the REAL world. Quicker that you get used to it the better it will be for you Athlete.

Truth is the public supporting 92 league clubs is just a nonsense. The whole lot of them cannot survive without a nipple to suck on.

What about load of rubbish