[Archived] Gary Bowyer Discussion

[stpbrown]

The matter is in Jim's hands

[Pedro]

Under any other circumstances I'd be with you on all those points den, but Venkys record on managerial appointments is awful, they'll in my opinion give Craig Short the job or appoint somone cheaper than Bowyer and probably equally as clueless.

****, Berg and Appletons reigns brought about some of the worse football I've ever seen at Ewood in over 40yrs. Now whilst Bowyers side isn't Barcelona, I'm enjoying my football again, love watching Gestede, Cairney, Marshall etc all Bowyer signings so if he stays I'll not stop going and I'd much rather have him for a 3rd season rather than have an Appleton.

History tells us that we'll more than likely get worse, in 5yrs in charge they've not appointed a decent manager, they've not made 1 decent decision, so I'm just wary of rolling that dice.

I can't really argue with the rest of your post, I agree with much of what you write gumboots.

Out of interest, what has you currently enjoying watching these? Personally I think we have been playing some woeful, passionless and cagey stuff and these players listed seem to have had their confidence crushed. I can't remember such a prolonged period of lack of belief and effort - but I've only had a season ticket since 88.

[Pedro]

As it stands and with the current players and manager I'll take mid-table next season. But with possibly 3 of our best players departing in the summer and likely to be replaced by lesser players (or not replaced at all) I do fear for our future in 2015-16. A relegation battle is looming

I also think we will be well and truly in the brown stuff next season. I will be amazed if Rhodes and Gestede are here next season, equally amazed if we buy an adequate replacement. Bowyer signed two strikers last summer, their total tally is zero.

It doesn't bode well, especially now that the players seem to not be playing for him and with many experienced players out of contract in the summer.

[rog of the rovers]

What is Bowyer's style?

If I had to guess, 4-4-2, with two central midfielders sitting deep, a winger hugging the line on one side, tucking in on the other. Big lump (Brown or Gestede) and Rhodes up top. Direct style, man to man at set plays.

Cup performances aside................ What has been the performance of the season?

[Mike Graham]

What is Bowyer's style?

If I had to guess, 4-4-2, with two central midfielders sitting deep, a winger hugging the line on one side, tucking in on the other. Big lump (Brown or Gestede) and Rhodes up top. Direct style, man to man at set plays.

Cup performances aside................ What has been the performance of the season?

Rotherham away!! But according to our drongo leader (via the Fans Forum) we have not been outplayed over 90 minutes in a single game this season.

GB must watch games with his eyes shut as well as his hands in his keks.

[den]

Out of interest, what has you currently enjoying watching these? Personally I think we have been playing some woeful, passionless and cagey stuff and these players listed seem to have had their confidence crushed. I can't remember such a prolonged period of lack of belief and effort - but I've only had a season ticket since 88.

Apparently although the football is great, we haven't appointed a decent manager in 5 years!

[blueboy3333]

Out of interest, what has you currently enjoying watching these? Personally I think we have been playing some woeful, passionless and cagey stuff and these players listed seem to have had their confidence crushed. I can't remember such a prolonged period of lack of belief and effort - but I've only had a season ticket since 88.

LOL. not sure that's accurate. Just in the last few weeks we've had B'Mouth, Charlton and L'Pool away.

you must have enjoyed the stuff under Kean and Ince

Apparently although the football is great, we haven't appointed a decent manager in 5 years!

Or, in your view, they've never appointed a decent manager and yet you want them to appoint another. Barmy.

[den]

Or, in your view, they've never appointed a decent manager and yet you want them to appoint another. Barmy.

Go away.

[blueboy3333]

Go away.

You explicitely asked me and a few others to try and justify our support for Bowyer. You then explicitely stated that me and a few others hadn't answered the question even though we had. The response then asked you a question which you chose to ignore. Now you want me to 'go away

In Venky's you trust..

[ABBEY]

wow new depths of patheticness

[Amo]

Personally Amo I think that Venkys are influencing the team, by setting the objective of increasing player value, rather than picking the 11 that plays each week. As increasing player value seems to be the target I think that has resulted in players being rotated, so that everyone gets the chance to develop in value.

Ah, but that's different. No doubt the owners have influenced team selection over the years. As Den pointed out, certain players were frozen out during the Kean regime (Roberts, Salgado) for one reason or another, mainly contractual, and the manager is clearly appointed with the remit of developing players that will turnover a profit. That's not the same as Bowyer literally picking the team and faxing it over to Venky's HQ to be corrected as they see fit.

[mustard]

Or, in your view, they've never appointed a decent manager and yet you want them to appoint another. Barmy.

Sticking with a rubbish manager because they're likely to employ another rubbish manager is barmier!

"Well, we've got a sinking ship under this captain, no use trying to save it though... Where's the string quartet?"

[yoda]

What kind of response is that? I might as well tell you to keep wearing the tinfoil hat.

Explain to me, if Venky's are in the business of selling players on for a profit, why they would allow Rudy, one of the hottest strikers in the division, to be dropped for Brown, a 30 year-old dolloper with no resale value? Oh, and I suppose it's a coincidence that the two players from the academy (Lowe & Hanley) are auto-picks by our academy coach-turned-manager. Or is that more skulduggery from the owners?

Degsy penny pinching so he can look good in Pune

[Gav]

Out of interest, what has you currently enjoying watching these? Personally I think we have been playing some woeful, passionless and cagey stuff and these players listed seem to have had their confidence crushed. I can't remember such a prolonged period of lack of belief and effort - but I've only had a season ticket since 88.

What you need to remember is the **** **** forced us to boycott for a period of time, we came back under Bowyer. The football has been poor of late, I couldn't agree more, but the FA Cup run has been good, individual performances have been ok and just in general I'm enjoying going to the football again.

[onlyonejackwalker]

LOL. not sure that's accurate. Just in the last few weeks we've had B'Mouth, Charlton and L'Pool away.

you must have enjoyed the stuff under Kean and Ince

Or, in your view, they've never appointed a decent manager and yet you want them to appoint another. Barmy.

Makes me laugh fans getting giddy about steady away performances against the likes of Bournemouth and Charlton. Who? Is there anyone we are expected to beat with our gargantuan squad and 2.5 million per month expenses? The downsizing of this club has certainly filtered into the thoughts and expectations of our fans. The Cup run is irrelevant, solves nothing and is without context, unless you want to mention the likes of Scunthorpe and Millwall who have also turned us over under Bowyer.

Simply put, change nothing and nothing will change. Apart from the loss of more fans of course and ever growing debt. People are naturally reticent and concerned about change. I understand that as it features in all walks of life. I guess if happy plodding about in mid-table with the odd result against Huddersfield or Blackpool you would certainly want Bowyer to remain in charge and be frightened of any alternatives.

Your primary stance, (other than winding up anyone who disagrees with you), appears to be that you do not trust the owners to get it right if choosing a new manager. Yet they chose Bowyer, who you rate and defend. A delicous irony in your posts, which I have seen you accuse others of at times.

No-one hates Bowyer, but even if they did it is largely irrelevant. He is handsomely rewarded to deliver results on the pitch and the 'push for promotion' slogans were not invented by the fans. We need a manager who is capable of matching the marketing departments aspirations and who can rescue the club for future generations by winning promotion to the PL honeypot.

[Gav]

Apparently although the football is great, we haven't appointed a decent manager in 5 years!

Nobody said the football was great.....

I'm not sure what's happened to you den, you used to be one of the better posters, now you seem more intent in petty point scoring like the rest of them, shame really

We disagree, move on.

[Amo]

Degsy penny pinching so he can look good in Pune

Oh, so now it's Shaw.

Who's picking the team and who's not picking the team? I'm confused.

[windymiller7]

What kind of football club is it where we should be happy sticking with a clueless manager because the potential replacement might be equally clueless? It's no wonder we are losing supporters to apathy and frustration.

I don't know a single person in the 'real world' who think Bowyer is doing a good job and/or should get more time. The best offer, almost apologetically, is that he did well to avoid relegation. Two seasons ago.

My point Stuart, was that people outside of those of us who go week in, week out and see the shambolic decisions and standard of football would probably see it differently. ie the media and fans of other clubs. Christ, they even failed to see it when Kean was in charge!

They'd see that nice man Gary who saved the club from the comedy act it'd become, who had us in and around the play-offs on a number of occasions, who took us to an FA Cup Quarter/Semi/Final/Victory (Hedging my bets just in case)

I'm not saying it's right, just that you can almost see the headlines in the tabloids and how once again it'd all be our fault.

[yoda]

Oh, so now it's Shaw.

Who's picking the team and who's not picking the team? I'm confused.

Didn't say he was picking it, influencing yes,

Do keep up, there's a good chap

[onlyonejackwalker]

Nobody said the football was great.....

I'm not sure what's happened to you den, you used to be one of the better posters, now you seem more intent in petty point scoring like the rest of them, shame really

We disagree, move on.

He is still one of the better posters. Having been a relatively lone voice for nearly two years now with his views many have found reason to disagree and argue with him. Yet now as things pan out exactly as predicted, more and more are in agreement and aligned with his thoughts.

I avoid the petty niggling but get as irritated as anyone reading some of the tosh on message boards. But everyone is entitled to their view so I leave it at that.

Safe to say it has been a heartbreaking few years for the club and all of us have suffered in some way. Whether you liked Allardyce, Kean or now Bowyer, supported the Venky's or not, who would have imagined 20 years hard work and investment being pished away so wastefully?

[Amo]

Didn't say he was picking it, influencing yes,

Do keep up, there's a good chap

It's hard to keep up when you make it up as you go along.

[DE.]

My point Stuart, was that people outside of those of us who go week in, week out and see the shambolic decisions and standard of football would probably see it differently. ie the media and fans of other clubs. Christ, they even failed to see it when Kean was in charge!

They'd see that nice man Gary who saved the club from the comedy act it'd become, who had us in and around the play-offs on a number of occasions, who took us to an FA Cup Quarter/Semi/Final/Victory (Hedging my bets just in case)

I'm not saying it's right, just that you can almost see the headlines in the tabloids and how once again it'd all be our fault.

I don't think the media really care enough about us for it to be a big deal any more.

[K-Hod]

I don't think the media really care enough about us for it to be a big deal any more.

Something I've noticed a lot since we went down. Just how much focus the PL gets in the media, it's as if 72 other clubs in the FL don't exist....

[yoda]

It's hard to keep up when you make it up as you go along.

Not made anything up, actually I have been very consistent in my views, then again my only agenda is to see the Rovers start to progress again.

[tomphil]

I don't think the media really care enough about us for it to be a big deal any more.

Until they get fed a line from their influences and then they'll print whatever they are told. Only a few weeks ago when Bowyer was feeling the heat there was several articles popped up out of nowhere banging his drum. Then we the fans actually got some good press out of the blue after the Liverpool game. It will soon turn the other way again.