[Archived] Gary Bowyer Discussion

[yoda]

I think he was having a dig at people like Parson and Chaddy with that bit. Tongue in cheek is how I read it.

Yes I know, just backing him up

[Jimmy612]

Fair enough. Perhaps I was being a little dramatic, however I believe we are going only one way under Bowyer. I am not sure we will have the luxury of languishing in mid-table under his stead next season.

That I can agree with. If we sell some of our better players we will have little or no resources to replace them. It could be argued that our best hope is to keep this squad together and appoint a proven hand to give us one last push next season before we begin trimming and re-building at the mercy of our FFP restrictions.

[ABBEY]

Most want shut of rhodes though.

[Amo]

Not made anything up, actually I have been very consistent in my views, then again my only agenda is to see the Rovers start to progress again.

And you're implying mine isn't? Just because I don't buy into Glen's little theory? Mmmkay.

[ABBEY]

So let's get this right , 9/11 & the holocaust never happened but a feasible thing at rovers you don't buy in to .. ?

[Amo]

So let's get this right , 9/11 & the holocaust never happened but a feasible thing at rovers you don't buy in to .. ?

There's nothing feasible about Venky's picking the team.

[Athlete]

There's nothing feasible about Venky's picking the team.

Well after all this time GB surely must know his best side if not its time to step down.. Or possibly the strange team selections have something to do with someone else.. IE the Gestede situation as it seemed at one point around the transfer window GB only wanted players who wanted to be here..

But then it seemed get him in the shop window sort of thing and his value will rise especially with more exposure via the cup

A lot of questions but no real answers.. IMHO from GB upwards none of them have any power whatsoever they all have to do as there told.. A lot of self preservation seems to go on especially with after match comments aimed at the owners.. The lot of them are picking up a tidy wage.. Unfortunately for the time being we are stuck with this from top to bottom the club stinks.. Let's just call it incompetence for arguements sake...

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[Rover_Shaun]

I don't believe anyone else interferes with team selection. GB just doesn't come across as the type to put up with it to me. For all his faults I just put it down to him being very indecisive.

It does speak volumes for where we are as a club under these goons and stoogies that fanciful conspiracies seem entirely plausible

The Venky Legacy

[Amo]

I don't believe anyone else interferes with team selection. GB just doesn't come across as the type to put up with it to me. For all his faults I just put it down to him being very indecisive.

It would also mean Venky's take credit for our 12 game unbeaten run.

[Rover_Shaun]

Shebby on speed dial?

[OJRovers]

Edinho Junior starting upfront on his own ahead of Rochina/Gomes actually happened. Even Kean can't have made that decision.

Nothing can be ruled out under Venkys.

[thenodrog]

It's a shame you feel the need to attack posters for simply schooling you on the what goes on in real people's lives and not that pleasington bubble you live in.

Real people eat lobster then Gav? Do they give it down at the food bank?

[thenodrog]

Your points about any manager of quality not touching rovers -

I can't answer it Gord. You may well be right, you might be wrong. The fact that we're in a mess as a club could work either way. It could put a lot of managers off, or on the other hand it could, in a perverse way be attractive in that any manager that truly believed in his own ability would see that were still seen as one of the bigger clubs in this league, with excellent facilities and fancy he could turn us around - in doing so, providing himself with a challenge and enhancing his own credibility. Throughout the dark days of third division football, when the money was hardly there to pay the milkman, we still attracted some excellent young managers. It isn't as cut and dried as you might think. There are always managers around that are on the lookout for a club. Whether they're what's needed here, none of us know.

Still, I go back to "do we stay as we are, with a manager and situation that's deteriorating fast- because we believe no one would touch us", or do we take a more positive route and try to move forward? I know what I think. Having a negative mindset of not trying to change for the better, because you're frightened of failure isn't what's needed. Particularly when the club's facing a financial abyss.

Nice post den but still a bit of a cop out if you don't mind me saying so.

[Amo]

Edinho Junior starting upfront on his own ahead of Rochina/Gomes actually happened. Even Kean can't have made that decision.

Nothing can be ruled out under Venkys.

He started up front WITH Gomes, and we still won.

[thenodrog]

I think there is no question that some pretty good 'proven' managers would be interested in the job even with all the turmoil over the past few years and the financial constraints. The question that needs answering is will someone at the club be able to make a good appointment decision? I think if they ran a 'proper' well run process the likes of Shaw could make a good decision but truth be told I would have a hell of a lot more faith if someone of John Williams' caliber was still there. Rovers haven't run a proper process in years, they always have taken the quick, cheap and lazy option. But Shaw and co could easily change that if Venky's really do trust them.

No matter the concerns about potential appointments I still think a change is absolutely necessary. Could they make an even worse appointment than Bowyer? Of course, each appointment is a gamble but you can reduce the risk if you do your homework.

I notice a lot of 'I thinks'. And have you done any homework in this direction RVR?

[thenodrog]

1. How many of these options would be prepared to travel 5000 miles regularly?

This objection to the India trips is overblown nonsense. It's in the job description and it's how the Indians prefer to do business. How often does he go? 2/3 times per season perhaps? They obviously prefer hearing from the horses mouth and debating with someone from the coalface than listening to empty mealy mouthed explanations from the Chairman and Secretary.

Maybe I'm a bit naive, but I still see a way back for them if they want it. The first thing they need is a "John Williams" but funnily enough that was the first second thing they got rid of.

Hell knows, but I agree.

[Mike Graham]

Has numb nuts gone yet ?

[thenodrog]

What you need to remember is the **** **** forced us to boycott for a period of time, we came back under Bowyer. The football has been poor of late, I couldn't agree more, but the FA Cup run has been good, individual performances have been ok and just in general I'm enjoying going to the football again.

It's 'real' football rather than the fantasy stuff in the Prem. Personally I'm enjoying the competative dog eat dog aspect.

Nobody said the football was great.....

I'm not sure what's happened to you den, you used to be one of the better posters, now you seem more intent in petty point scoring like the rest of them, shame really

We disagree, move on.

He has a point den. Nothing seems to suit you at the moment. It's almost as if you are delighting in misfortune and waiting to say 'I told you I was right'.

[blueboy3333]

Has numb nuts gone yet ?

5-year contract imminent i've heard, Fully deserved.

[thenodrog]

There's nothing to suggest Anderson has anything to do with the club any more.

Except in still actively wiping his fingerprints off everything. I've googled stuff about the past and his involvement and not found what I remembered plenty of times.

[Gav]

Real people eat lobster then Gav? Do they give it down at the food bank?

Try this, it all goes on outside of your little bubble you know:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2825920/Is-5-lobster-worth-shelling-height-luxury-global-lobster-glut-means-s-cheap-chips.html

[den]

Nice post den but still a bit of a cop out if you don't mind me saying so.

I shouldn't have bothered then.

He has a point den. Nothing seems to suit you at the moment. It's almost as if you are delighting in misfortune and waiting to say 'I told you I was right'.

"Me" waiting to say I was right? Bloomin heck, pot, kettle.

But no, seriously, I'm delighted at the way things are going. Couldn't be better really

[47er]

It's 'real' football rather than the fantasy stuff in the Prem. Personally I'm enjoying the competative dog eat dog aspect.

He has a point den. Nothing seems to suit you at the moment. It's almost as if you are delighting in misfortune and waiting to say 'I told you I was right'.

Yep that's the way. Ignore the message, attack the messenger and try to drive him away. I thought this was an MB for all fans of all opinions?

[Jimmy612]

We are ranked number 11 in the all time listings for English football clubs, does that not suggest we should be at least number 11 in the PL as our true level ?

I just wanted to confirm that this wasn't a serious comment, Yoda....

[Jimmy612]

Yep that's the way. Ignore the message, attack the messenger and try to drive him away. I thought this was an MB for all fans of all opinions?

Can't believe you took the time to even type this message - nothing to do with anything other than stoking the fire.

I can't believe I took 45 seconds of my life to bloody respond to it.