[Archived] Gary Bowyer Discussion

[thenodrog]

Well we appear to have the 5th most valuable squad in the league, but we're in 10th position.

Tosh isn't it? If you consider ALL of the players that we have had in the squad in 4 years of Championship football there is not one imo who would get into the promotion team of 2000/01! tbh I don't even see Rhodes or Gestede displacing Marcus Bent.

[thenodrog]

How do you know though ?

Abbey any top manager would be committing career suicide. Irrational owners, a squad of somebody elses players, a transfer embargo resulting in every agent with a half decent player wanting to get him the hell out of the place before his value and wage aspirations were devalued and with little chance of any quality coming the other way.

Effectively we are looking for a top manager with a death wish! Any ideas?

[thenodrog]

So you won't admonish him despite him taking the club downwards? Forget where we were two years ago. We have had from then until now recovering, now we need to rebuild. If Bowyer is the right man to do that (bearing in mind the premise that Venkys are covering the losses and the manager doesn't need to sell anyone) then fine but if he's not then we should be going all out to bring in someone who is.

Admonish him? Depends on his orders from above. I suspect his brief has been to get the costly players out of the business and replace them with lower cost options...... Oh and to get us promoted at the same time. Rather a tall order wouldn't you say?

Look in a mirror guys. If you are posting to get rid of Bowyer but with just with the benefit of hindsight as I suspect most are then don't bloody well bother because hindsight is useless.

[Mike Graham]

Has numb nuts gone yet?

[Stuart]

Look in a mirror guys. If you are posting to get rid of Bowyer but with just with the benefit of hindsight as I suspect most are then don't bloody well bother because hindsight is useless.

That's ironic. Most people are using hindsight as the main reason NOT to sack him.

[Rover_Shaun]

edit. It aint worth railing againts ignorance

[imy9]

Lol well I added all transfers fees together with potential add ons of deals, not just initial fee, I did this with a lot of research old articles etc they are as follows:

Cairney 500k up to £1.5 with add ons

Green £200,000 (this is potential only around £50k upfront)

Evans £1mil

Gestede £250,000 1mill add ons

Conway 500k

Duffy 1.5mil with potential £1mil add ons

Marshall £1mil

Transfers fees POTENTIAL - £7.7million

Then I looked at the wages of the 24 players signed, I allocated £5k per week wages to the lesser players which I believe perfectly reasonable and allocated £10k per week to the "better" players which may be being generous as a few them may be on more than £10k per week. Therefore allocated £5k per week to 9 of them and £10k per week to 14 of them and £15k per week to DJ Campbell, who was signed when bowyer was here. That totals £10.08 million.

Total £17.708 million.

I haven't included any loan fees that may have been payable.

Let me know your thoughts mate.

A few queries, Evans was about 500k, Conway about 100k, Duffy was also 300k with add ons. Also wasn't Cairney out of contract? Did we really have clauses up to 1.5 million? This is what I read at the time from a number of sources, though clearly I may be wrong.

[Rover_Shaun]

A few hundred grand here and there does not change the fact that the club is a basket case. Shaw must surely carry the can for it, just like Gaz will for results, eventually.

I feel we're just poking old sores and I am sorry for fuelling it

[chaddyrovers]

Duffy Cost 400k with add up to total fee 1.5mil I believe.

Conway cost 100k

Evans was around 750k.

Wasn't Campbell a Appleton signing who Agree a permanent deal with him before Appleton was sacked

[Andyblue2]

Duffy Cost 400k with add up to total fee 1.5mil I believe.

Conway cost 100k

Evans was around 750k.

Wasn't Campbell a Appleton signing who Agree a permanent deal with him before Appleton was sacked

Campbell?

[DE.]

DJ.

[Rover_Shaun]

Wasn't Campbell a Appleton signing who Agree a permanent deal with him before Appleton was sacked

yes but the current offshoot discussion is the total spend wasted on players noto only the misnanagement of

[47er]

Dunno why I posted all that. den, 49er you two Paranoid Androids. Was it worth it?

Dunno why you posted that either Theno. But having posted 33586+ times the word "compulsive" comes to mind!

[47er]

I hear so many constantly declaring that they want a proven manager with experience but none of the above had it. I keep saying that I am not a fan of Bowyer but I refuse to partake in a witch hunt that so many on here appear to relish. I think his curve is now downward for him and probably steeply once the quality players leave. Oh and I am afraid of appointing the wrong manager because the right ones won't damn well come!

You do keep saying that you are not a fan of Bowyer (just about every post) but you keep justifying why he should stay. Firmly on the fence eh?

[thenodrog]

GB has his faults but he is not the Devil reincarnate.... or to put it another way Jerome Andersons lovechild.

[Gav]

Question still stands - on whom and by whom?

Question still stands

[Stuart]

GB has his faults but he is not the Devil reincarnate.... or to put it another way Jerome Andersons lovechild.

We know. He's been dining out on that fact for a year.

The Kean legacy is an extremely low benchmark for a Rovers manager's ability.

[onlyonejackwalker]

You do keep saying that you are not a fan of Bowyer (just about every post) but you keep justifying why he should stay. Firmly on the fence eh?

You are not the only one who has noticed that. Easy playing the middle ground as it leaves the freedom to quickly change tack depending on results.

[gumboots]

But it is in many ways where we are. Bowyer is not hated by anyone. Even those who want him gone are still grateful to him because he got us out of a hole and set us going in the right direction. Whatever you think of his tenure as a whole, most people admit that. Makes it very hard to be determined at all costs to be rid of him.

[Riverside67]

Tt is always hard to part with a decent man.

The call is though is he good enough? No room for sentiment in business I am afraid.

[thenodrog]

But it is in many ways where we are. Bowyer is not hated by anyone. Even those who want him gone are still grateful to him because he got us out of a hole and set us going in the right direction. Whatever you think of his tenure as a whole, most people admit that. Makes it very hard to be determined at all costs to be rid of him.

Thank you gumboots. Saved me the bother of making an insulting retort. He's not good enough to take us up but he's not bad enough to face the guillotine.

[yoda]

Thank you gumboots. Saved me the bother of making an insulting retort. He's not good enough to take us up but he's not bad enough to face the guillotine.

Bit over the top there again, why did the post deserve an insulting retort?

As you point out many times the Rovers are a business, are we going to progress with the current set up or standstill.

To standstill is to regress as I am sure you are aware of, being in business.

Do you have a view on what course of action should be taken, or is it a case of knock any suggestion that is put forward?

[thenodrog]

Bit over the top there again, why did the post deserve an insulting retort?

As you point out many times the Rovers are a business, are we going to progress with the current set up or standstill.

To standstill is to regress as I am sure you are aware of, being in business.

Do you have a view on what course of action should be taken, or is it a case of knock any suggestion that is put forward?

Response to the reference to me in the post above which gumboots was responding to. Surprised you missed it Mike.

[yoda]

Response to the reference to me in the post above which gumboots was responding to. Surprised you missed it Mike.

I didn't miss it

[thenodrog]

Surprised that you needed to ask then.

Seems from a few recent posts that the posse is forming because I haven't joined the 'hang him high' brigade. Just the way it is on here. I know from experience.