[Archived] Gary Bowyer Discussion

[Andyblue2]

Surprised that you needed to ask then.

Seems from a few recent posts that the posse is forming because I haven't joined the 'hang him high' brigade. Just the way it is on here. I know from experience.

I prefer Alf. He seemed to talk a bit more sense for some reason

[thenodrog]

No he didn't..... but he might well have 'written' more sense.

Is it me or are alternative points of view are becoming increasingly open to abuse on here?

[Hasta]

Is it me or are alternative points of view are becoming increasingly open to abuse on here?

I don't think they are and your an idiot for thinking otherwise.

[mustard]

No he didn't..... but he might well have 'written' more sense.

Is it me or are alternative points of view are becoming increasingly open to abuse on here?

"Abuse"? I haven't seen any "abuse" on here tbh. We're debating differing opinions on a football forum. Let's not be soft.

[gumboots]

I think people are more prone to jump on others with a different viewpoint from theirs though now. The Raos have so polarised opinion that we find it hard to listen to one anothers thoughts and opinions without going just that bit too far. Not necessarily abuse but just jumping on peoples words and having a bit of a go at them, wher once we'd have laughed about it or said Oh that's just what gordon's (or gumboots or whoever) like.

[thenodrog]

Hey I don't care mustard. You might be advised to ask chaddy for his opinion though. tbh as everybody knows I'll roll with most things and give as good as I get. Unfortunately when I strike back I'm usually the one who ends up banned. Last time I was banned for merely querying the accuracy of the comment in a post from the ex-resident board whiptop.

btw congratulations on referring to me as soft. Before the internet and depending on context and relationship the next move was quite often a smack in the gob. Society's gone to pot now, people are just not allowed to teach others proper manners these days.

[mustard]

Hey I don't care mustard. You might be advised to ask chaddy for his opinion though. tbh as everybody knows I'll roll with most things and give as good as I get. Unfortunately when I strike back I'm usually the one who ends up banned. Last time I was banned for merely querying the accuracy of the comment in a post from the ex-resident board whiptop.

btw congratulations on referring to me as soft. Before the internet and depending on context and relationship the next move was quite often a smack in the gob. Society's gone to pot now, people are just not allowed to teach others proper manners these days.

Chaddy does seem to wind people up deliberately at times. I don't have anything against the chap but when he does, he gets called a "WUM". Hardly "abuse" as you put it.

I didn't refer to you as soft. I suggested anyone crying abuse was soft when there's nothing even remotely resembling it on here. As you said, you "give as much as you get", which implies if you are on the end of supposed "abuse" then you give it out yourself... And I'm sure the smarmy attitude you and plenty others employ on here would leave you vulnerable to a smack on the gob if engaging in such a manner with individuals of a certain disposition (in the real world of course).

My point is, if someone is calling someone this and that, fair enough label it as abuse. However, everyone on here is guilty of making arsey comments, so let's get on with it.

[Mike Graham]

Has numb nuts gone yet?

[Blue blood]

Tosh isn't it? If you consider ALL of the players that we have had in the squad in 4 years of Championship football there is not one imo who would get into the promotion team of 2000/01! tbh I don't even see Rhodes or Gestede displacing Marcus Bent.

Rhodes and Gestede are both better than Bent IMO.

Imagine how many goals Rhodes would have got if he'd had Dunny, Duff, Gillespie, Jansen, Berkovich et al creating the chances. Wager he'd have got 30 plus.

[martonrover]

Has numb nuts gone yet?

Sadly not.

[Baz]

Rhodes and Gestede are both better than Bent IMO.

Imagine how many goals Rhodes would have got if he'd had Dunny, Duff, Gillespie, Jansen, Berkovich et al creating the chances. Wager he'd have got 30 plus.

Gestede may have got in that team, but i honestly dont think Souness would have been a Rhodes fan, too little fire in the belly. He may have added that to his game however, like the way he changed Jansen from a lightweight dribbler into a centre forward.

Look how quickly he dumped Stead, as once the goals dried up there was very little else threatening with his game.

[47er]

Surprised that you needed to ask then.

Seems from a few recent posts that the posse is forming because I haven't joined the 'hang him high' brigade. Just the way it is on here. I know from experience.

Ask Den about a posse forming!

Anyway, there are no insults there Theno, just views you don't agree with. The big problem on this MB imo, is often not the original post or two but the over-reaction that often follows.

I didn't have you down as an over-sensitive soul tbh!

[J*B]

Boring boring Bowyer.

[K-Hod]

Surprised that you needed to ask then.

Seems from a few recent posts that the posse is forming because I haven't joined the 'hang him high' brigade. Just the way it is on here. I know from experience.

I wouldn't necessarily say that. What I would say though, is there are many that if they disagree with others' posts, will constantly attempt to discredit and pick holes in posts. Like being surrounded by Jehova's witnesses attempting to convert folk!!

[chaddyrovers]

Chaddy does seem to wind people up deliberately at times. I don't have anything against the chap but when he does, he gets called a "WUM". Hardly "abuse" as you put it.

I don't wind up anyone or anybody deliberately Mustard.

I just give my views on Rovers and football matters.

[Andyblue2]

You do wind people up and you know it.

[AllRoverAsia]

I don't wind up anyone or anybody deliberately Mustard.

I just give my views on Rovers and football matters.

I think it's a God given gift. Relish it!

[Amo]

I actually agree with chaddy, I don't think he sets out to annoy people. It's just by dint of being a Rovers Fan.

[thenodrog]

Rhodes and Gestede are both better than Bent IMO.

Imagine how many goals Rhodes would have got if he'd had Dunny, Duff, Gillespie, Jansen, Berkovich et al creating the chances. Wager he'd have got 30 plus.

Very debatable. Bent played for 8 different Premier League teams and scored for most of them too. To date Rhodes and Gestede haven't started one Premier League match between them.

This is a bit like saying Simon Garner was one of our best ever strikers when in fact he was simply our most prolific. Since Simon hung up his boots and became a Rover's legend we must have had a dozen better strikers turning out in the blue and white halves.

Gestede may have got in that team, but i honestly dont think Souness would have been a Rhodes fan, too little fire in the belly. He may have added that to his game however, like the way he changed Jansen from a lightweight dribbler into a centre forward.

Look how quickly he dumped Stead, as once the goals dried up there was very little else threatening with his game.

That wasn't Souness. Hughes was the one who sussed Jon Stead as not being Premier League quality. **

I do think Souness might have been frustrated enough to have done a Dwight Yorke on JR though.

** Souness signed Grabbi rem!

Boring boring Bowyer.

Thank you for your well constructed, intelligent and thought provoking contribution J*B.

[J*B]

Thank you for your well constructed, intelligent and thought provoking contribution J*B.

No problems whatsoever Gord.

[Blue blood]

Gestede may have got in that team, but i honestly dont think Souness would have been a Rhodes fan, too little fire in the belly. He may have added that to his game however, like the way he changed Jansen from a lightweight dribbler into a centre forward.

Look how quickly he dumped Stead, as once the goals dried up there was very little else threatening with his game.

Very true, think Gestede would have been the better foil for Jansen - it'd have been quite a partnership. I do feel that given the chances those guys would have created, and given Rhodes undoubted finishing ability, I think Rhodes would have got a heck of a lot of goals in that team. Bare in mind Souness got a lot out of the likes of Hughes despite his age, and the likes of Curtis and Mahon despite not being world beaters. I reckon given the undoubted strengths of Gestede and Rhodes, that Souness would've been able to harness them and use them well, especially given the rest of the talent in the squad.

But I can see why you'd think Souness wouldn't want a Rhodes type player. It also on the Rhodes front brings up the quesiton what he'd be like for us with a proper manager, but that's been done to death with Rochina, so I'll leave it there.

Very debatable. Bent played for 8 different Premier League teams and scored for most of them too. To date Rhodes and Gestede haven't started one Premier League match between them.

This is a bit like saying Simon Garner was one of our best ever strikers when in fact he was simply our most prolific. Since Simon hung up his boots and became a Rover's legend we must have had a dozen better strikers turning out in the blue and white halves.

That wasn't Souness. Hughes was the one who sussed Jon Stead as not being Premier League quality. **

I do think Souness might have been frustrated enough to have done a Dwight Yorke on JR though.

** Souness signed Grabbi rem!

Thank you for your well constructed, intelligent and thought provoking contribution J*B.

Personally think you're overstating Bent's ability - although I remember I liked him a lot when he played for us. One of the reasons he moved on so much was he couldn't really force his way into any of the teams and stay in them. A case of a player not being quite good enough. Admittedly that's more than Rhodes and Gestede have player in the prem so far, but given their performances over the last year or two I'm not sure that'll stay the case. A better comparison will probably be made in a few years time when our strikers have had the chance to step up. Equally his goal record isn't amazing - one in five - and most of his premiership goals came at two of those clubs, a lot of them he didn't do to well at.

Anyhow the main point was/is that I think both would've contributed a lot in our promotion winning season.

[Rover_Shaun]

Not sure where to put this so here goes.

It seems that the powers that be read this forum and they've now gone on the offensive using their LET mouthpiece to defend two players who get the most flak on here

Tommy Spurr: Don't judge Chris Brown on his Blackburn Rovers scoring record

I’m still young and I’m still learning, insists Blackburn Rovers skipper Grant Hanley

[K-Hod]

They get a fair amount of stick in games (and at Tesco apparently!)

[broadsword]

Very strange. Tommy Spurr admits that strikers will always be judged on their scoring record but then says maybe people are concentrating on Chris Brown's scoring record too much. Then Grant Hanley says he still has a lot to learn ... strange choice to make him our captain then, isn't it?

[Andyblue2]

. Then Grant Hanley says he still has a lot to learn ... strange choice to make him our captain then, isn't it?

He ain't going to learn much downing the jugs of Jaegermeister and betting in a certain pub in Leyland. He's been a very regular punter in there recently. tut tut