[Archived] Gary Bowyer Discussion

[LewisF]

The defence has been 'sorted' by accident, not design, on account of Bowyer's Babes (Lowe & Hanley) getting injured.

I don't mind Lowe tbh, other Rovers supporters I know give him quite a bit of stick, but I quite like him (I'd choose Henley over him at RB any day though)

[DE.]

If we get relegated to League 1 next season Lowe will be useful to have around.

[JBiz]

The defence has been 'sorted' by accident, not design, on account of Bowyer's Babes (Lowe & Hanley) getting injured.

Jeez, this ranks up their with the Jordan Rhodes scores "in spite of" GB in terms of balderdash.

Does signing Baptiste and Kilgallon not mean anything? You've reverted to your original WUM status lately Toppers.

[broadsword]

To answer blue boy, I left my temper get the better of me and accused parson of smugness.

I see the thread has degenerated, doesn't surprise me. Meanwhile it's a beautiful sunny day where I am, blue skies etc, so I'm bowing out

[ABBEY]

Pussing down cold wet and windy 3c here .. I hope ya burn ya yed haha

[G Somerset Rover]

If we get relegated to League 1 next season Lowe will be useful to have around.

You could say the same about 90% of our squad!

[Amo]

Jeez, this ranks up their with the Jordan Rhodes scores "in spite of" GB in terms of balderdash.

Does signing Baptiste and Kilgallon not mean anything? You've reverted to your original WUM status lately Toppers.

Of course, if anyone dares to disagree with you they must be a troll.

Baptiste has played most of the season shunted to right-back to accommodate The Warrior. Henley kept playing well in the FA Cup only to get overlooked for the league games. Once Hanley, Duffy & Lowey were all injured, only then did Baptiste start playing regularly in his best position and Henley was given a break in the league. So yeah, I'm not giving Bowyer credit for making enforced changes, especially when fans recognised this months ago.

[DE.]

You could say the same about 90% of our squad!

Yeah, but most of them will be picked up by other Championship teams. Even Varney found a suitor in Ipswich.

[onlyonejackwalker]

Anyone taking this long to realise our resident tough guy is a liability needs to give their head a wobble. Unfortunately that includes our manager who for reasons I cannot fathom thinks Hanley is not only first choice, but also a fitting captain for the club.

We have looked so much better defensively of late without him. I don't think we have missed him on the pitch and his attitude leaves a lot to be desired.

[Stuart]

Jeez, this ranks up their with the Jordan Rhodes scores "in spite of" GB in terms of balderdash.

Does signing Baptiste and Kilgallon not mean anything? You've reverted to your original WUM status lately Toppers.

So, hand on heart, you believe that:

1) Bowyer sets up the team and tactics to get the best out of Rhodes?

2) If fit Lowe would not start in midfield, or at the very least be preferred to Henley at rb?

3) If fit Hanley would not be preferred to Baptiste?

If you do then based on what evidence or previous experience?

[K-Hod]

1-you're right, our system isn't set up to get the most out of Rhodes.

2&3 are paranoid conjecture imo.

All our central midfielders are pretty much the same in the kind of player they are, limited ability, limited movement, you get the idea...

[DE.]

Bowyer made Hanley club captain, why would you assume Bowyer wouldn't put him straight back into the team if fit? He always has in the past.

As for Lowe... well, if the choice was between Williamson and Lowe, I'm pretty sure Bowyer would pick Jason. Between Evans/Lowe, not sure, but Evans has been so poor this season that Lowe probably couldn't do any worse.

[tomphil]

Anyone taking this long to realise our resident tough guy is a liability needs to give their head a wobble. Unfortunately that includes our manager who for reasons I cannot fathom thinks Hanley is not only first choice, but also a fitting captain for the club.

We have looked so much better defensively of late without him. I don't think we have missed him on the pitch and his attitude leaves a lot to be desired.

If anyone is a fitting captain it's Killa. Experienced, steady, seems comfortable with whoever he lines up along side, a talker on the pitch. Always seems to talk sense in interviews, he's not perfect but he comes across as a good pro and just about the best all round centre half we have at the min.

Hanley has his strengths and weaknesses on the pitch and has been good and bad but the fact we haven't missed him whatsoever shows he's easily replaceable. Yes he's still young and could improve but I think he's gone stale here now. Cash in for me.

[JBiz]

Of course, if anyone dares to disagree with you they must be a troll.

Baptiste has played most of the season shunted to right-back to accommodate The Warrior. Henley kept playing well in the FA Cup only to get overlooked for the league games. Once Hanley, Duffy & Lowey were all injured, only then did Baptiste start playing regularly in his best position and Henley was given a break in the league. So yeah, I'm not giving Bowyer credit for making enforced changes, especially when fans recognised this months ago.

I could find at least 10 different posts of yours in the last few weeks that are just spun negative bolloxed intent on making your opinions seen like reality.

When in fact it's still just opinion. An opinion based on your actual value of a person rather than trying to gauge a situation. We get it, you've made a personal opinion on GB and your desperate to find more examples to support this agenda!

How did Grant Hanley ascend to first teamer and captain? Magic? Luck? Yes, some potential good timing on his point but to carry on this fallacy that he's a complete shyster who parades as a footballer... Called having a short memory... Or potentially did he chat your gf up in rios?

Henleys injury and confidence problems are not imaginary, funnily enough those parading him as someone who has been badly treated, are the same people who spent hours berating the manager for not bringing another full back in.

Swings and roundabouts. I don't particularly rate GB or any of the current people behind the scenes but I don't spend my time selecting manipulating isolated examples to suit an agenda.

I'd rather look at a situation as a whole. Two examples to take into account; When GB stuck with Killa, it was hardly a mistake, he's improved our defending ten fold. He'd also just come back from injury. On the flip side I didn't agree with dropping Duffy after the Swansea game and I think it sent the wrong message.

So therefore, do I think our defensive improvement is down to luck? Nope. Mixture of some good decisions, injured players returning and others finding form again.

[K-Hod]

Bowyer made Hanley club captain, why would you assume Bowyer wouldn't put him straight back into the team if fit? He always has in the past.

As for Lowe... well, if the choice was between Williamson and Lowe, I'm pretty sure Bowyer would pick Jason. Between Evans/Lowe, not sure, but Evans has been so poor this season that Lowe probably couldn't do any worse.

I was mainly meaning Henley being replaced by Lowe tbh, as much as I think Kikgallon and Baptiste are our best pairing, it makes a bit of a mockery of the captaincy if they aren't the first name on the teamsheet (though I admit I don't think he should be captain, and certainly not at this age).

[JBiz]

So, hand on heart, you believe that:

1) Bowyer sets up the team and tactics to get the best out of Rhodes?

2) If fit Lowe would not start in midfield, or at the very least be preferred to Henley at rb?

3) If fit Hanley would not be preferred to Baptiste?

If you do then based on what evidence or previous experience?

I'm not getting into your obsession with hating home grown players.

As for 1- why should we be set up to feed rhodes? We should be set up to win. If he scores, is it due to being setup to win? Or is it because he's fluked a goal despite GBs influence.

Much similar to Toppers, take your agenda for a walk and try seeing both sides of a penny for a change.

[DE.]

I was mainly meaning Henley being replaced by Lowe tbh, as much as I think Kikgallon and Baptiste are our best pairing, it makes a bit of a mockery of the captaincy if they aren't the first name on the teamsheet (though I admit I don't think he should be captain, and certainly not at this age).

If Lowe comes back into the team I assume it'll be in midfield unless Henley and Baptiste are both injured... but yeah, Bowyer has indeed backed himself into a corner by naming Hanley captain. Just another example of Bowyer's lack of experience causing problems, I suppose. If he has any sense he'll give the captaincy to one of the more senior players next season and perhaps name Grant vice-captain as a way of making peace.

[perthblue02]

It wouldn't be a surprise to see him sacked once promotion is not possible; which is as much a reflection of Venkys approach to running the club as it is Bowyer's ability.

Can't see it unless Madame catches him pi***** on one of her carpets during the next audience with, and decides he's not a very nice man

[Stuart]

I'm not getting into your obsession with hating home grown players.

As for 1- why should we be set up to feed rhodes? We should be set up to win. If he scores, is it due to being setup to win? Or is it because he's fluked a goal despite GBs influence.

Much similar to Toppers, take your agenda for a walk and try seeing both sides of a penny for a change.

Nice swerve, Barry.

Pretty poor comeback all round really but the idea that we are set up to win isn't really an argument on a very sound footing.

[Amo]

I could find at least 10 different posts of yours in the last few weeks that are just spun negative bolloxed intent on making your opinions seen like reality. That was the topman I remember from back in 2012, the holocaust denier.

Your definition of 'negative' amounts to anything perceived as critical of the current manager. If you take exception to anything I post then I invite you to refute it with things like reason and evidence, which shouldn't be too difficult if, as you say, I'm only on a wind-up. From where I'm standing, however, the only one lowering himself to cheap taunts and insults is you.

Also, I seem to recall you were banned at one point for being an asshat on here. You're in no position to judge others about forum etiquette.

When in fact it's still just opinion. An opinion based on your actual value of a person rather than trying to gauge a situation. We get it, you've made a personal opinion on GB and your desperate to find more examples to support this agenda!

Some opinions are more valid than others when based on things like empirical evidence, such as team selections.

How did Grant Hanley ascend to first teamer and captain? Magic? Luck? Yes, some potential good timing on his point but to carry on this fallacy that he's a complete shyster who parades as a footballer... Called having a short memory... Or potentially did he chat your gf up in rios?

I've defended Hanley in the past and recognise that he does have some qualities, but most fans will agree that he's been a liability this season and far from captain material. Bowyer wouldn't have felt the need to come out in the press and defend him otherwise. It hasn't stopped him getting picked without fail week in, week out barring injury or suspension. Bowyer obviously thought he could mature into the role of captain and his faith was ill-founded, another example of our manager's poor judgement regarding some of his young charges.

Henleys injury and confidence problems are not imaginary, funnily enough those parading him as someone who has been badly treated, are the same people who spent hours berating the manager for not bringing another full back in.

I don't see how the two are mutually exclusive. Fans can still bemoan the lack of strengthening in that position whilst commenting on the mistreatment of the only recognised player we have in that area, can't they? I would've thought that the two go hand-in-hand. At any rate, what this has to do with anything, I don't know.

[JBiz]

Nice swerve, Barry.

Pretty poor comeback all round really but the idea that we are set up to win isn't really an argument on a very sound footing.

Tangent.... We setup to lose? Is that what your suggesting? Is this another MM dark forces suggestion? Is the phsyio seeding the pitch and the groundsman picking the first team squad?

Honestly though... You ignore my point like classic Stuart. You quoted me simply because the original one used in the reply to toppers was you.

In defence of rhodes lack of an all round game, you'd go as far as blaming it on the manager. Rather than just accept Jordan was an overrated and overpriced player, but essentially the best poacher out of the prem.

He's lack of goals is Gary's fault, but him scoring a plethora of goals in other games is "in spite of".

That sums up why your such a ridiculous poster, Yul Brenner.

[DE.]

We're set up not to lose, as opposed to set up to win. There's quite a big difference.

[JBiz]

Your definition of 'negative' amounts to anything perceived as critical of the current manager. If you take exception to anything I post then I invite you to refute it with things like reason and evidence, which shouldn't be too difficult if, as you say, I'm only on a wind-up. From where I'm standing, however, the only one lowering himself to cheap taunts and insults is you.

Also, I seem to recall you were banned at one point for being an asshat on here. You're in no position to judge others about forum etiquette.

Some opinions are more valid than others when based on things like empirical evidence, such as team selections.

I've defended Hanley in the past and recognise that he does have some qualities, but most fans will agree that he's been a liability this season and far from captain material. Bowyer wouldn't have felt the need to come out in the press and defend him otherwise. It hasn't stopped him getting picked without fail week in, week out barring injury or suspension. Bowyer obviously thought he could mature into the role of captain and his faith was ill-founded, another example of our manager's poor judgement regarding some of his young charges.

I don't see how the two are mutually exclusive. Fans can still bemoan the lack of strengthening in that position whilst commenting on the mistreatment of the only recognised player we have in that area, can't they? I would've thought that the two go hand-in-hand. At any rate, what this has to do with anything, I don't know.

. I take umbridge to posts which are false ie suggesting that improvements are "in spite of" but deterioration is a "direct result of". That is what you and Stuart are becoming famous for.

I was banned from here because of a suggestion that a poster "revelled" in defeat which I apologised for.

GB has made plenty of mistakes, you've reminded us enough. However, believing this "friends before performance" mentality is @#/?. Especially since Henley should come under that group of "bowyer youth charges" who he prefers.

Hanley has had a bad season, but this scapegoating is short memory tackle. Granted, you not as bad as the moronic "hope he gets sold or injured" brigade.

Finally... The fans who shouted about our lack of strength in that area didn't even consider Henley a proposition. Why? Because they have short memories and/or no patience or understanding how football works.

Rather than give credit to the back room staff for getting him fit, in form, playing and performing- we'd rather talk about how this is just fortune for a man who's no idea what he's doing.

It sums many of you up.

We're set up not to lose, as opposed to set up to win. There's quite a big difference.

Happy to discuss tactics, but this isn't the point- that's the tangent. He asked me about playing to rhodes strengths

[yoda]

. I take umbridge to posts which are false ie suggesting that improvements are "in spite of" but deterioration is a "direct result of". That is what you and Stuart are becoming famous for.

I was banned from here because of a suggestion that a poster "revelled" in defeat which I apologised for.

GB has made plenty of mistakes, you've reminded us enough. However, believing this "friends before performance" mentality is @#/?. Especially since Henley should come under that group of "bowyer youth charges" who he prefers.

Hanley has had a bad season, but this scapegoating is short memory tackle. Granted, you not as bad as the moronic "hope he gets sold or injured" brigade.

Finally... The fans who shouted about our lack of strength in that area didn't even consider Henley a proposition. Why? Because they have short memories and/or no patience or understanding how football works.

Rather than give credit to the back room staff for getting him fit, in form, playing and performing- we'd rather talk about how this is just fortune for a man who's no idea what he's doing.

It sums many of you up.

Happy to discuss tactics, but this isn't the point- that's the tangent. He asked me about playing to rhodes strengths

You were doing well until the bit in bold,

name names

[Stuart]

Tangent.... We setup to lose? Is that what your suggesting? Is this another MM dark forces suggestion? Is the phsyio seeding the pitch and the groundsman picking the first team squad?

Honestly though... You ignore my point like classic Stuart. You quoted me simply because the original one used in the reply to toppers was you.

In defence of rhodes lack of an all round game, you'd go as far as blaming it on the manager. Rather than just accept Jordan was an overrated and overpriced player, but essentially the best poacher out of the prem.

He's lack of goals is Gary's fault, but him scoring a plethora of goals in other games is "in spite of".

That sums up why your such a ridiculous poster, Yul Brenner.

You really are a curiosity. I've seen some straw man arguments but that's up there with the best, with a bait-and-switch thrown in for good measure. Ridiculous is the certainly the best way to describe the words you are trying to put in my mouth.

By the way, you're is not just a pretentious way of saying your, it actually means something different.