[Archived] Gary Bowyer Discussion

[chaddyrovers]

What is this based on? He has signed Marshall, Conway and Taylor as wingers, and often plays Cairney there who he also signed, if he wants 2 pacy wingers, why does he sign ones that aren't that fast?

His style in the main is to have 2 defensive midfielders, 2 wide players who are quite slow and like to cut inside and 2 strikers, neither of whom link with the midfield.

This is based on the Stoke game and IMO Gestede is Bowyer 1st choice striker. King's game suited Gestede aswell.

Marshall and Conway are good wingers in 4-4-2 but not in defensive 4-5-1.

Cairney should be the team playmaker but he isn't. He didn't perform enough. His work rate and defensive duties aren't good enough to play in attacking 4-4-2. I would look to play him 4-2-3-1 as number 10 behind Rhodes next season if both are here and Gestede isn't here

[K-Hod]

2 games and a few flashes of brilliance does not make Josh King the new Messi....

[Andyblue2]

2 games and a few flashes of brilliance does not make Josh King the new Messi....

Ye but he should have developed a lot more under GB. I think he'll play at a higher level

[Gav]

This King lovin is typical of this site.

What has King done to deserve a new deal?

Absolutely nothing, and don't give me all this nonsense about him never getting a chance, when he's had a chance he's been awful and he's clearly not pulling up any trees in training either.

It's like the Rochina debate all over again, he was rubbish also, he's gone back to Spain and he's still rubbish.

He wasn't alone was he? Lots of Walkerspoilt, dyed in the wool, rovers till I die types found something better to do didn't they? Same with the Stoke game too. Funny how they all trapped up for the Lpool match eh? Maybe they are jinxes and the club would be better if the malicious moaning gits stayed away eh Abbey?

For someone who boycotted because of Venkys, then changed the reason to **** and Anderson, you've got some front!

Ye but he should have developed a lot more under GB. I think he'll play at a higher level

Well that's a different arguement development of players.

I can't think of 1 player since Venkys came to the club that's developed his game, Ollson maybe? The majority have gone backwards.

[Andyblue2]

Fair point Gav, and it's down to Bowyer. If I'd have been lucky enough to land the rovers job with someone like JK in the sqaud I'd have used his pace and directness an awful lot more, put more faith in him, put my arm around him and tell him how good he can be etc...I've seen enough to know that a club at our level should have him playing every week. A missed opportunity.

[cesus]

Fair point Gav, and it's down to Bowyer. If I'd have been lucky enough to land the rovers job with someone like JK in the sqaud I'd have used his pace and directness an awful lot more, put more faith in him, put my arm around him and tell him how good he can be etc...I've seen enough to know that a club at our level should have him playing every week. A missed opportunity.

Maybe there is too much of putting arms around players at Brockhall? Maybe that's why we are bullied out of games, why this squad has barely put up a fight in many away games. I think bowyer has many flaws but I'd say many players overlook these and like him because Brockhall is a lovely place were not too much is ever asked of you and nobody will ask questions as to why the hell everybody is always injured!!

[Andyblue2]

some need a arm round, some need a bollocking, its up to Bowyer to work out which is which. I'm obviously not trying to promote some sort of relaxed atmosphere.

[Tom]

This is based on the Stoke game and IMO Gestede is Bowyer 1st choice striker. King's game suited Gestede aswell.

Marshall and Conway are good wingers in 4-4-2 but not in defensive 4-5-1.

Cairney should be the team playmaker but he isn't. He didn't perform enough. His work rate and defensive duties aren't good enough to play in attacking 4-4-2. I would look to play him 4-2-3-1 as number 10 behind Rhodes next season if both are here and Gestede isn't here

Your basing it on one game the manager seemed to put no stock into rather than the entire league season?

[K-Hod]

I don't think Cairney works in a no.10 role, further back alongside someone doing the dirty work, he's right enough.

[chaddyrovers]

Your basing it on one game the manager seemed to put no stock into rather than the entire league season?

I think Gestede is Bowyer's 1st choice.

Also I think Gestede and King work as a partnership. Linked us well and suited each other games.

[Reedy You're A Star]

It's a damn shame neither of them will be here next season

[G Somerset Rover]

I think Gestede is Bowyer's 1st choice.

Not so sure about that. Yes he's been slightly unfit of late but 'Browny' has been favoured a number of times this season. Still think both Rudy and Jordan will be gone in the summer.

[tomphil]

His distribution is absolutely dreadful.

Ditto Hanley and Duffy...hoof. It's where we are at. Tell me how many good ball playing centre halves there are in this division please ?

[thenodrog]

You mean like your golfing ones?

Oh thats a gud un Stu. You have an obvious talent for comedy. I'll have a good laugh about that later when I have a bit more time if thats OK with you.

[thenodrog]

2 games and a few flashes of brilliance does not make Josh King the new Messi....

Indeed, but as has been pointed out many times K-Hod top level opposition will sek to play a high line against us and squeeze play into our own half where their one touch leaves us gasping and will inevitably force mistakes out of our inferior players. Milk turns quicker than Rhodes and he is hopelessly weak at holding the ball up so it plays right into their hands. They can push up to the half way line and light a cigar with Rhodes on. If King was on the pitch the opposing defence would by necessity play a lot deeper giving the rest of our team more space to play in. It's no good have in tart liner / fox in the box if we never bloody well get there is it?

For someone who boycotted because of Venkys, then changed the reason to **** and Anderson, you've got some front!

You can re write history all you want gav but you still know the square root of @#/? all about football.

The reason for King's improvement was because we didn't shove him on the wing to accomodate Jordan Rhodes (and prob Balaji) we used him to replace JR and played him top of a 4-5-1. A position which publically embarrasses Jordan Rhodes. Put another way if we'd tried that with Rhodes we wouldn't have got past Swansea. Rhodes has obvious strengths to his game as a penalty box poacher but imo his weaknesses outweigh his strengths.

[K-Hod]

Indeed, but as has been pointed out many times K-Hod top level opposition will sek to play a high line against us and squeeze play into our own half where their one touch leaves us gasping and will inevitably force mistakes out of our inferior players. Milk turns quicker than Rhodes and he is hopelessly weak at holding the ball up so it plays right into their hands. They can push up to the half way line and light a cigar with Rhodes on. If King was on the pitch the opposing defence would by necessity play a lot deeper giving the rest of our team more space to play in. It's no good have in tart liner / fox in the box if we never bloody well get there is it?

Rhodes needs service, get it to him and he'll do fine. With a number 10 in behind is when he thrives. It's not fair to blame Rhodes for all the other shortcomings of the team (i.e. lack of pace/chasm between midfield and attack), even with Rudy in the team our midfield is so far away from the attack Rudy has to hold it up for about a week before there's any support, it's no wonder it won't stick up front when Rhodes isn't as good at holding the ball up and there's absolutely nobody within 50 yards of him.....

King has pace and it's a great quality, but he's very hit and miss with his delivery and finishing. I accept that obviously if you harness all those raw materials with some consistency he would never have left Man United and wouldn't be a consideration.....

[Stuart]

Oh thats a gud un Stu. You have an obvious talent for comedy. I'll have a good laugh about that later when I have a bit more time if thats OK with you.

No worries.

Btw, anyone seen JBizzle? He wanted a proper response about Rhodes and Bowyer and now he has one has gone awol.

[K-Hod]

No worries.

Btw, anyone seen JBizzle? He wanted a proper response about Rhodes and Bowyer and now he has one has gone awol.

Leave it out will you? He probably can't be assed coming on here reading messages like the above.

[thenodrog]

I don't think Cairney works in a no.10 role, further back alongside someone doing the dirty work, he's right enough.

That person being Brown from what I have seen recently. I'd obviously like Gestede to stay if he can bring himself to buckle down to the bread andf butter stuff but if he and Rhodes are away soon I think it's vital we keep King. Him up top with Brown in the hole flicking it on or laying the ball down to Cairney in central midfield who can then in turn look to release King appears to be a good combination to me. ( I must say at this point I haven't seen Taylor as yet.)

[thenodrog]

Rhodes needs service, get it to him and he'll do fine. With a number 10 in behind is when he thrives. It's not fair to blame Rhodes for all the other shortcomings of the team (i.e. lack of pace/chasm between midfield and attack), even with Rudy in the team our midfield is so far away from the attack Rudy has to hold it up for about a week before there's any support, it's no wonder it won't stick up front when Rhodes isn't as good at holding the ball up and there's absolutely nobody within 50 yards of him.....

King has pace and it's a great quality, but he's very hit and miss with his delivery and finishing. I accept that obviously if you harness all those raw materials with some consistency he would never have left Man United and wouldn't be a consideration.....

It's a massive ask to accomodate a tart liner against better opposition. Have you considered thats perhaps why our results have been so poor against the better teams?

King needs managing well imo. Plenty of natural talent but a touch injury prone which is a definite worry* and of a certain mind set.

* On the other side of the coin one worry we don't have is JR ever doing his hamstring eh?

[Amo]

It's like the Rochina debate all over again, he was rubbish also, he's gone back to Spain and he's still rubbish.

He's still playing at a higher level than us. Rochina & King are both equally frustrating because both of them have something that's in short supply - flair & pace respectively. By virtue of their inherent abilities, King's pace means the opposition can't play too high up without getting caught out, and Rochina's technique often meant teams would 'double up' on him, allowing more space for others. It's no wonder fans will pin their hopes on players like this when they see our current forward play devoid of ideas. They're two players who can produce the goods on occasion, but because of how inconsistent they are, they'll find themselves overlooked for 'Steady Eddie' types.

[DE.]

That person being Brown from what I have seen recently. I'd obviously like Gestede to stay if he can bring himself to buckle down to the bread andf butter stuff but if he and Rhodes are away soon I think it's vital we keep King. Him up top with Brown in the hole flicking it on or laying the ball down to Cairney in central midfield who can then in turn look to release King appears to be a good combination to me. ( I must say at this point I haven't seen Taylor as yet.)

Two strikers who don't score regularly (or at all in Brown's case)... can't see how that could go wrong.

If we start next season with Brown/King up top we are in huge trouble. Although King isn't likely to be here, so it'll probably be Brown and whoever we can get in on loan or on a free transfer.

[thenodrog]

Two strikers who don't score regularly (or at all in Brown's case)... can't see how that could go wrong.

If we start next season with Brown/King up top we are in huge trouble. Although King isn't likely to be here, so it'll probably be Brown and whoever we can get in on loan or on a free transfer.

Give me your thoughts / options then DE rather than cheap shots as it's looking like you won't have the Rhodes/Gestede one and we are operating under a transfer embargo.

[Gav]

You can re write history all you want gav but you still know the square root of @#/? all about football.

Bit like you and politics, we'll call it a draw

I'll keep my eye on your mate Brown, you seem to think he's going to be some sort of world beater, I'm not seeing it, could soon be 2-0 to me

[Gav]

He's still playing at a higher level than us. Rochina & King are both equally frustrating because both of them have something that's in short supply - flair & pace respectively. By virtue of their inherent abilities, King's pace means the opposition can't play too high up without getting caught out, and Rochina's technique often meant teams would 'double up' on him, allowing more space for others. It's no wonder fans will pin their hopes on players like this when they see our current forward play devoid of ideas. They're two players who can produce the goods on occasion, but because of how inconsistent they are, they'll find themselves overlooked for 'Steady Eddie' types.

Either that or they're both 1 trick show ponies who sulked rather than got their heads down.