[Archived] Gary Bowyer Discussion

[Blue blood]

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/12887744.Bowyer__Football_League_season_should_be_extended_to_help_teams_on_cup_runs/

never heard so much rubbish in my life...if you can't stand the heat get out the kitchen GB is nowhere near good enough to manage BRFC FACT

So let's get this straight he's now complaining about our success in the cup?!!?!

Good grief!

Parson, I really respect your insight, but taking us forward? We've regressed this season, and many think we're under-performing (myself included). And I would honestly like your take on all the excuses that he comes out with - regardless of expectations it does seem very self-seeking. Does this not worry you?

As for Blackpool, Wigan and Millwall

Wigan's a mystery give or take the last appointment being diabolical - with what was said and the FA charge looming Mackay was always going to fail. As for Blackpool starting with 8 players before the season starts and investing nothing in the team was suicide. And Millwall paid for an inexperienced and poor managerial choice with a low budget. Can't see how lauding ourselves for missing out on 3 foolish decisions puts us in a much better boat. If anything with our debt - long term our choice of rookie manager could see us in a worst position.

[Gav]

With all due respect, if we want until then it will be too late.

Its already to late Stuart, and Parsons right about not being in Wigan and Blackpools position, both clubs top flight not so long ago with owners that care more at those clubs than Venkys do about us.

Not sure why everyones getting so upset with Bowyers comments, he's saying nothing other mangers in a similar position aren’t saying, to many games, fixture pile ups when progressing in the cup, its nothing new and not unique to Bowyer.

Get a grip!

[ABBEY]

next season Gav next season.

PREDICTION....down where wigan and pool are now & the Rovers Fans banging on about Gary being the man to get us in the Championship.

[Mattyblue]

Bowyer knows very well that the season finishes earlier in the Championship due to the play offs starting the week after. Good job we didn't have the additional burden of those games.

[Athlete]

Its already to late Stuart, and Parsons right about not being in Wigan and Blackpools position, both clubs top flight not so long ago with owners that care more at those clubs than Venkys do about us.

Not sure why everyones getting so upset with Bowyers comments, he's saying nothing other mangers in a similar position aren’t saying, to many games, fixture pile ups when progressing in the cup, its nothing new and not unique to Bowyer.

Get a grip!

its the FA cup............not champions league....

Price of success.....................

[ABBEY]

Busy at work but would be interesting to see how many games each player has played.

Bowyer knows very well that the season finishes earlier in the Championship due to the play offs starting the week after. Good job we didn't have the additional burden of those games.

imagine if these players had a full time job as well how tired they would be....BLOOD BOILS ! TIRED ..ARGHHHH THEY PLAY FOOTY AND TRAIN IN A GYM .

A BLOODY DODDLE!!!

[broadsword]

Glad to hear we haven't screwed up, got big behind the scenes issues or some unknown problems....

No-one could've made a success of Blackpool. Are you seriously trying to equate what Blackpool have gone through with what's happening at Rovers and trying to make a sarcastic point that Bowyer's better than we all think?

In which case, if Bowyer had been parachuted into Bloomfield Road (or, for that matter, Wigan or Millwall), they'd be doing much better no, right? Mid-table, correct?

Well pardon me, but that doesn't wash with me. Bowyer, despite everything, has been allowed to bring in who he wants, he's not really had to sell anyone halfway decent except Dann. If anything, we've performed worse this year than we did last.

If, as many suspect, one or both of Rhodes/Gestede is on their way this summer, then we will really be in the stook, unless Bowyer can sign a 20 goal a season striker for free or on loan. Somehow, I really very much doubt that.

[Blue blood]

Busy at work but would be interesting to see how many games each player has played.

imagine if these players had a full time job as well how tired they would be....BLOOD BOILS ! TIRED ..ARGHHHH THEY PLAY FOOTY AND TRAIN IN A GYM .

A BLOODY DODDLE!!!

Abs, you make an excellent point - given our massive squad rotation policy not a single player has a right to be tired - as none of them have played all that many games! Heck even Baptiste was out of the team early in the season despite being our best defender defensively and player of the season Olsson has been dropped for Spurr on a number of occasions. Sure we've played more games than normal as we've done ok in the cups, but overall I can't see any player having played more games than they usually would.

[A cup of beans]

Its already to late Stuart, and Parsons right about not being in Wigan and Blackpools position, both clubs top flight not so long ago with owners that care more at those clubs than Venkys do about us.

Not sure why everyones getting so upset with Bowyers comments, he's saying nothing other mangers in a similar position arent saying, to many games, fixture pile ups when progressing in the cup, its nothing new and not unique to Bowyer.

Get a grip!

He's sounding insecure and flying to India as soon as he can. Remind you of anyone?

He's using FFP as an excuse.

How has it realistically impacted this season?

Recruitment policy has mirrored the last few seasons.

He's even using the Manchester City examples to further convince, and his last comment will probably be his clinching argument.

[mustard]

How are some still defending Bowyer's comments?!?!

He's talking about fixture congestion after playing three or four games more than most other teams in the league over the last four months (don't forget, other Championship teams played in the early rounds as well)... How is that washing with anyone?! Especially since said bonus cup fixtures are the only thing that's made our "promotion push" season look almost acceptable.

Bowyer makes out this huge cup run has resulted in our poor form... Guess what, Gary?! Our poor form started in December, before our cup run got into swing. This absolute baloney that he comes out is reprehensible. I can't believe that some of you actually buy into his bull.

[Parsonblue]

How are some still defending Bowyer's comments?!?!

He's talking about fixture congestion after playing three or four games more than most other teams in the league over the last four months (don't forget, other Championship teams played in the early rounds as well)... How is that washing with anyone?! Especially since said bonus cup fixtures are the only thing that's made our "promotion push" season look almost acceptable.

Bowyer makes out this huge cup run has resulted in our poor form... Guess what, Gary?! Our poor form started in December, before our cup run got into swing. This absolute baloney that he comes out is reprehensible. I can't believe that some of you actually buy into his bull.

Some of us, more than many would think, actually agree with much of what he says.

[A cup of beans]

Some of us, more than many would think, actually agree with much of what he says.

Can you elaborate?

How has FFP realistically damaged us?

Especially when viewed against recent seasons and types and costs of players brought in?.

[mustard]

Some of us, more than many would think, actually agree with much of what he says.

Why, though?

He's blamed the poor run on our fixture congestion, when our poor form began before the fixture congestion. Plenty of other Championship teams had cup games in January when our form was rock bottom so I don't buy that as an excuse. Other teams got by just fine. Maybe it says a lot about our squad fitness that we've suffered so much...

An extra three or four games over the course of four months IS NOT the reason we have been in poor form. This is an easy shield to cover for the fact that Bowyer is tactically inept. Hell, we've only played two games more than Boro and Derby over the last three months yet they seemed to get through the Jan-Feb fixture congestion just fine, didn't they?

Stop buying into these excuses Parson. It's a load of rubbish and if you actually think about it you will see this is the case.

Also, re the FFP issue. We have had yonks to prepare for it. Bowyer was going on about how great our squad was and how we'd be pushing for promotion at the start of the season... He swiftly backtracked and blamed FFP when results went sour though. He's got as many excuses as Kean, with just as little substance to back them up.

Ps. anyone else think our team look slow/unfit? Marshall, Rhodes, Conway, etc. They all seem to have got slower this year, yet all look a little stouter/stronger. Too much focus on bulking up and not enough work on pace in training perhaps?

[Rover_Shaun]

The well of Bowyers tenure is now poisoned beyond repair for many. He is now just another symptom of the Venkenoid disease

[Parsonblue]

Stop buying into these excuses Parson. It's a load of rubbish and if you actually think about it you will see this is the case.

I don't see facts as excuses. Too many seem too keen to knock anything and everything about the club, the manager, the players etc. etc. FFP has had a major impact on us over the second half of the season. Not only are we not allowed to spend money on players, we are limited with regard to bringing players in on loan. The result has been players having to play with injuries at times simply because we are short of numbers. The injury situation has been the worst for many a long year - certainly if the Clarets had had a similar injury list last season they wouldn't now be in the Premier League. Many fans actually sympathise with the manager and believe that under the circumstances he has done a pretty decent job. It's about rebuilding the club from the ground up and the changes made at the Academy with Eric at the helm, Brian Carey taking over the Under-18's and Billy Barr the Under-16's have all been moves in the right direction in my opinion. Anyway, off to Brum now to see if we can continue our improved away form.

[Mattyblue]

The injury situation has been the worst for many a long year - certainly if the Clarets had had a similar injury list last season they wouldn't now be in the Premier League.

Is it a concidence that Burnley have hardly had an injury in two seasons whilst we have players hobbling off, often with minor, muscle type injuries week after week.

Says a lot about our/their conditioning and training methods to me, nothing to do with 'luck'.

[broadsword]

Yes, and perhaps pre-season training as well.

[mustard]

The injury situation has been the worst for many a long year - certainly if the Clarets had had a similar injury list last season they wouldn't now be in the Premier League.

I fully agree with Matty's response to this.

Poor fitness and injuries has been a staple-mark of Bowyer's tenure. It'd be easy to say "well this is the market that we are in now" (EDIT) since all we seem to sign are crocks, but look at Burnley. Burnley, under the guidance of Dyche (and during Howe's stint) are a perfect example of how a good manager can make a huge difference. They brought in the right players for cheap, kept players fit, kept a settled line-up and walked to promotion whilst playing good football.

Sorry Parson, still just excuses to me.

[JBiz]

Lets actually read what he says before turning it into the black and white logic of BRFCC.

Firstly;

He said: “As soon as the season’s finished obviously it’s a must to go out there, sit round a table, catch up, put our ideas towards them and discuss ways in which we feel we can improve both on and off the pitch even further.

“We’ve seen, there’s evidence there that the restriction of the embargo has impacted on us and so it would be trying to see where we can improve on that and have a better idea going into another busy summer.

What is so wrong with this? We've had numerous injury problems (unlike Amarillos favorite ginger example) and that HAS impacted us. Not moaning, a fact. In terms of visiting india, if they are running the club properly, they should know exactly what they have or need - I would much prefer GB to have some impact or words in their ears - as opposed to shelfy or the next agent with his hand out.

“We’ve got to look at different ways in which we can help come out of this embargo to make us competitive in the market again this summer.”

The current Football League regulations mean that, even if Venky’s wanted to spend money on players, they would be unable to do so without pushing Rovers over the FFP limit.

“I watched the Manchester derby and you heard people talking about Manchester City and their financial fair play situation as well,” Bowyer said.

“It’s not just ourselves, it’s everybody now. The frustration comes for all owners of football clubs I’m sure.”

So again? Whiney excuse? No. I'd rather he actually said "well, those criminals you remember who ran the club put us into a nosedive and signed ridiculous long contracts thats meant all the owners investment has gone on pay offs and thats frustrating"

The other article is just another example of how he likes to shield the players, hes not the first and he wont be the last. A line which basically adds to the debate around team continuity and selections;

"Rovers have seen Rudy Gestede, Craig Conway, David Dunn, Chris Taylor, Josh King, Alex Baptiste, Doneil Henry, Grant Hanley, Shane Duffy and Jason Lowe all sidelined through injury in recent weeks."

We've had a shocker of a season with injuries, is that down to conditioning? I'm not exactly sure. There is definitely some element of luck involved - look at Duffys injury. There could be some problems in the training, but not a single person here is educated enough or has the experience to know if this is true or not. Speculation is one thing, but to use something you made up to highlight your opinion?

People on here will use anything they can to throw punches at someone they might not rate. For example this idea that Hanley and Lowe are only selectable due to the managers relationship with them - (despite the fact 3/4 previous in the role would pick those two)

[mustard]

Lets actually read what he says before turning it into the black and white logic of BRFCC.

Firstly;

What is so wrong with this? We've had numerous injury problems (unlike Amarillos favorite ginger example) and that HAS impacted us. Not moaning, a fact. In terms of visiting india, if they are running the club properly, they should know exactly what they have or need - I would much prefer GB to have some impact or words in their ears - as opposed to shelfy or the next agent with his hand out.

So again? Whiney excuse? No. I'd rather he actually said "well, those criminals you remember who ran the club put us into a nosedive and signed ridiculous long contracts thats meant all the owners investment has gone on pay offs and thats frustrating"

The other article is just another example of how he likes to shield the players, hes not the first and he wont be the last. A line which basically adds to the debate around team continuity and selections;

We've had a shocker of a season with injuries, is that down to conditioning? I'm not exactly sure. There is definitely some element of luck involved - look at Duffys injury. There could be some problems in the training, but not a single person here is educated enough or has the experience to know if this is true or not. Speculation is one thing, but to use something you made up to highlight your opinion?

People on here will use anything they can to throw punches at someone they might not rate. For example this idea that Hanley and Lowe are only selectable due to the managers relationship with them - (despite the fact 3/4 previous in the role would pick those two)

I think more have taken issue with his talk of fixture congestion due to the FA cup games coinciding with our poor form, as this is just bunkum excuses.

In terms of injuries, we've had problems throughout Bowyer's time here. Is this down to the players he's signed? Is it down to conditioning (or a lack-of) at Brockhall? Perhaps both. At Burnley though, maybe luck is involved, but I think it's more than that.

[DE.]

Luck is an easy excuse for losers to use. Some of our injuries this season have done us a favour- forcing Bowyer to shake things up rather than persist with underperforming players. I'm not sure next season we'll have many decent players to call upon for back up, though.

[PeteJD13]

Bowyer is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't in terms of what says in the media, regardless of what he says we are going to pick holes in it or look for an angle, its the nature of the club now.

Personally whilst I think GB has stabilised the lack of team style of play and his inability or lack of willing to be bold and decisive to change a game makes me think it is time for him to move on in reality we are stuck with him for the foreseeable even if we are in the brown stuff next season I don't see Venkys acting well more to the point I see Mrs D overruling as being nice is better than being good at your job!

[Blue blood]

Luck is an easy excuse for losers to use. Some of our injuries this season have done us a favour- forcing Bowyer to shake things up rather than persist with underperforming players. I'm not sure next season we'll have many decent players to call upon for back up, though.

Exactly. Henley gets a run in the team only when there is a raft of injuries - and does well.

Hanley plays appallingly and only is out of the team when injured.

I think this is a great board, and I love the debate. But I'm beginning to see the GB situation as more one sided. I'm not at all sure how with negative excuses coming out week after week - ignoring FFP as contentious,but the FA Cup run is just plain lies and untruth, our run was bad before it, it's only a few extra games, he changed the flipping team for each of the games, and has been rotating players in the league anyway. Faced with outright lies and articles such as that I find it harder and harder to support the man. The fact that results are bobbins too doesn't help at all.

[JBiz]

I think more have taken issue with his talk of fixture congestion due to the FA cup games coinciding with our poor form, as this is just bunkum excuses.

As I said - standard defending the players. His alternatives are say nothing, slate his players conditioning and therefore the staff or offer some opinion or reasoning.

Hardly something that condemns GB tenure to be "poisoned beyond repair".

[Blue blood]

As I said - standard defending the players. His alternatives are say nothing, slate his players conditioning and therefore the staff or offer some opinion or reasoning.

Hardly something that condemns GB tenure to be "poisoned beyond repair".

But it's so blatantly untrue it's treating the fans as idiots. He either looks totally deluded, treating the fans with contempt or manipulating what he says for India. Worst of all is that it looks like it is intended as PR to Pune (i'd suggest is) but regardless of motive at the very least it looks like he's justifying his position to Venkeys. What's does that remind you of? Does that make you think the club is in good hands.

In short he looks deluded or devious because the comments or reasoning are so far from reality.