[Archived] Gary Bowyer Discussion

[DE.]

In fairness, it seems to me that Tom has been left holding the baby and is trying to virtually moderate it on his own - I may be wrong but that's the impression I get. I'm sure Tom has a life away from this messageboard that he would rather get on with rather than trying to sort out playground squabbles everyday.

Absolutely Parson. I wasn't having a go at Tom at all, and appreciate the time he volunteers to the site. Just wish the obvious issues on here were dealt with so that I don't have to roll my eyes at another "this messageboard has gone downhill" post.

[yoda]

Stop talking sense (about football matters ) jim. No one wants to hear any of that around these parts.

especially the stability junkies

[tomphil]

I agree

Nope definitely not. No one has run away with it this season and no team is head and shoulders above the rest like say Leicester / Burnley last season, Cardiff the season before. It's been wide open in the top 6 for any half decent hard working team. Some play some decent quick football but it's still based on being intense and closing down game in game out and going for the wins regardless of losing now and again. look at the teams some have lost the same or even more than Rovers and some defensive records aren't great and the scoring records aren't all amazing. 3 points for a win is what counts as always not a point for a draw and endless little unbeaten runs.

It's been a competitive but there for the taking top 6 league this season. Next will be tougher with probably Championship sized teams like Bristol C who haven't been out of it long coming back up. Knobbers who are a championship sized team with a decent squad and gaffer who knows this div. Then the ones coming down probably not been out of it long either and still have squads who will quickly readapt without having to be smashed to bits. Of course not forgetting the huge parachutes now in effect. Next season is going to be mighty tough, this season has been a disappointing waste !

[Gav]

Don't you remember how much we got fitted up for chanting 'Kean Out?' What makes you think taking far more direct action would result in any more favour from the national media??

Anderson and his cronies would have us fitted up yet again and we'd be 'Little old Blackburn not getting behind the manager and the team'. As football fans around the country exhibit goldfish and selective memory syndrome.

Whats the alternative? just accept whats going on?

Targeting the owners instead of the 'manager' and use that in the loosest of terms to describe that thieving Scotch ****, would get backing from most quarters I’d imagine, despite that southern toad and his media machine kicking into action.

Managers and the media had sympathy for **** because he was working for idiots from Pune, they assumed he had his hands tied, the same won’t be said for Venkys.

But I'm wasting my breath, its not the owners that have me despairing here its the fans who won't act.

[Tom]

Agreed Tom and at the end of the day nobody is going to change anyone's mind no matter how much we all slag one another off and no matter what names are given to fans with different viewpoints.

In fairness, it seems to me that Tom has been left holding the baby and is trying to virtually moderate it on his own - I may be wrong but that's the impression I get. I'm sure Tom has a life away from this messageboard that he would rather get on with rather than trying to sort out playground squabbles everyday.

In fairness it does need addressing and I haven't done anything other than the remove the odd post that crosses a line (and most of the time I'm on a mobile so can't even do that)

The problem is that it often gets split into two camps, one thinks the other is wrong and they get targeted for their opinion and vice versa

The way I see it personal insults / trolling should be hidden but the rest should be let flow as we are all adults and should be capable of carrying a decent discussion.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

They would definitely make the news, but make no mistake, we'd be the villains. We got fitted up like a kipper before, and it will happen again, mark my words!!

We would definitely be villains - after all the Venky's are putting money into the club and supporting the debt. Let us also not forget that they rejected bids for Rhodes and Gestede rather than cashing in. This will be the headline - not the fact that their inept leadership got us in this position in the first place.

I must admit - I am surprised that they have continued to support the club in the way they have - even if their support of GB may be ill-judged - their apparent commitment to the debt is the only thing stopping us going into administration.

[roverandout]

What we need is a time machine to warn ourselves that a poisonous, scum-sucking vile peice of vermin is about to manifest itself on our club and that a vile peice of scum-sucking vermin is about to get a job as the new manager.

[yoda]

What we need is a time machine to warn ourselves that a poisonous, scum-sucking vile peice of vermin is about to manifest itself on our club and that a vile peice of scum-sucking vermin is about to get a job as the new manager.

That warning was given

[Rover_Shaun]

Works PC won't let me quote so I'll adjust DMTP's comment this way

Venky's The Bank of India are putting money into the club and supporting the debt

[yoda]

Works PC won't let me quote so I'll adjust DMTP's comment this way

Venky's The Bank of India are putting money into the club and supporting the debt

Not sure that is correct

[DE.]

In fairness it does need addressing and I haven't done anything other than the remove the odd post that crosses a line (and most of the time I'm on a mobile so can't even do that)

The problem is that it often gets split into two camps, one thinks the other is wrong and they get targeted for their opinion and vice versa

The way I see it personal insults / trolling should be hidden but the rest should be let flow as we are all adults and should be capable of carrying a decent discussion.

I agree, but how often does a thread need to be derailed before more action is taken? It seems a lot of people have had enough and are sick of it. I certainly am. Surely at the very least some warnings/PM's need to be handed out to both parties in order to get this under control? I'm not advocating outright bannings and for all I know the above has already been done, but it doesn't seem that way.

I know there will never be perfect social harmony on here, but posts purely designed to wind up/insult somebody should be deal with properly, rather than just be hidden. I have no problem with people expressing strong opinions and defending their POV, but the schoolground insults need to be cut out imo. It's really, really frustrating to see good discussion derailed by comments that serve no purpose other than to get people's backs up.

[Rover_Shaun]

Venkys sure as buggery aren't putting in a dime Yoda.

[Parsonblue]

Venkys sure as buggery aren't putting in a dime Yoda.

Serious question Shaun, who is paying Jordan's and the rest wage bill because it sure isn't coming from gate receipts or sponsorship?

[yoda]

Venkys sure as buggery aren't putting in a dime Yoda.

According to the accounts they are

[Rover_Shaun]

Bank of India overdraft. Hence the growing debt.

How can you forget the growing debt Parson

[yoda]

Bank of India overdraft

what about the £80 million share issue ?

[Rover_Shaun]

I may be being picky or obtuse (one for you Blueboy) but didn't that just service the debt?

[tomphil]

Either way the external debt will be around 50 mill and that is likely to grow. That's enough to be going on with

[Athlete]

After the Kean-era, I think the majority of fans realised Venky's have absolutely no interest in anything they say. We can make the effort but it won't make a difference - they will run the club how they and their advisors see fit, and us peasants should be honoured to have our club bear the Venky name. Remember, even after all the fan protests, Kean wasn't sacked... he resigned!

Yes he resigned with the indignation that the club was top 6 when he did... You couldn't make it up..

They never listened then and sure as hell won't listen now

We would definitely be villains - after all the Venky's are putting money into the club and supporting the debt. Let us also not forget that they rejected bids for Rhodes and Gestede rather than cashing in. This will be the headline - not the fact that their inept leadership got us in this position in the first place.

I must admit - I am surprised that they have continued to support the club in the way they have - even if their support of GB may be ill-judged - their apparent commitment to the debt is the only thing stopping us going into administration.

They aren't putting any money in

what about the £80 million share issue ?

What about the other external debt

[West Yorks Rover]

We're still operating exactly the same way that we did when Kean was here. I put this post on another thread as a reply to Theno. I'll repost it here:-

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Don't be silly Gordon, Toms feeling just the same as most rovers fans. Apathy is the right word. The problem with our club is that our problems aren't just down to a single deficiency, there are problems with the manager, the losses, the debt, FFP, the owners, Shaw etc, etc. there are so many things wrong it makes trying to turn the club around very difficult. We as fans can't do anything about any of those problems, never mind all of them. That's where the apathy comes in.

What's going to happen in the summer? Well Bowyer is going out to Pune to meet the owners. There's absolutely no doubt that he's going to tell them how FFP, injuries and the cup run have denied us a shot at the playoffs. He's going to tell them how he's going to get us in the playoffs next season, or maybe the season after that, provided that he can get another couple of transfer windows under his belt. How lucky is he, that all he has to do to continue down his personal road to a fortune he'd never have got, is to firstly convince an old Indian woman - and secondly the brothers who I guess are still confused as to how we were relegated under Kean, that he's got the answers. I mean, how many Indian women know the first thing about how to bring success to an English championship club? I bet there are plenty of managers around the country who wished that was all they had to do, to keep their job.

So, for all the things against us at the moment, there's one move more than any other, that would help to turn us around. Appoint an experienced CEO and make the manager responsible to him. that would be best for the owners, best for the club and would focus the entire club on putting results to the fore. It would possibly, also give the fans some sense that progress is possible.

Excellent post Den, that's exactly how I see our situation.

[yoda]

Yes he resigned with the indignation that the club was top 6 when he did... You couldn't make it up..

They never listened then and sure as hell won't listen now

They aren't putting any money in

What about the other external debt

What about it ?

I didn't say that there wasn't any but to say the Rao's are not putting money in is not correct.

[West Yorks Rover]

Interesting to see the Brighton messageboard saying they reckon about 12k are actually attending games there. Same with Cardiff. Obviously a hell of a lot of ST's are fed up so have given up but I just wonder if this phantom ST thing is a new gimmick for accountancy or laundering or something like that. Everyone seems to be at it.

Hadn't seen that but a Brighton fan who works for Talksport mentioned something similar about gates a few weeks ago.

[thenodrog]

We would definitely be villains - after all the Venky's are putting money into the club and supporting the debt. Let us also not forget that they rejected bids for Rhodes and Gestede rather than cashing in. This will be the headline - not the fact that their inept leadership got us in this position in the first place.

I must admit - I am surprised that they have continued to support the club in the way they have - even if their support of GB may be ill-judged - their apparent commitment to the debt is the only thing stopping us going into administration.

Hows the thank you letter going Abbey?

[Athlete]

What about it ?

I didn't say that there wasn't any but to say the Rao's are not putting money in is not correct.

85 million share issue at VL of which 60 million was a loan from VL from BRFC to keep the club afloat correct me if I'm wrong was this loan in Mid 2014...

Reading the championship debts thread we are not in a good place.

When venkys lose interest and do what they seem fit to VL where screwed or if someone comes calling on the external debt we're screwed... That's why promotion was a must...

also VL is the Venkys group only UK subsidary business - they can close that down at any stage and foreclose

FYI Yoda moving funds between a groups business isn't the same as putting Cash into BRFC directly or indirectly

[Rover_Shaun]

Servicing a debt they created isn't putting in money to me.

Now wiping that debt, paying every monthly bill and investing in the team. Now that would be worthy of praise