[Archived] Gary Bowyer Discussion

[chris_h]

With our squad our season should be very much alive

I agree but that wasn't the point that was being made. There was a comparison between the much vaunted Shteve and the beleaguered Gaz. The vastly experienced Brolly man has the support of a stable club and a better squad.

Bowyer should not be immune from criticism but he should be immune from unfair comparisons and unfair criticism much of which is repeated ad nauseum on here.

[Baz]

I agree but that wasn't the point that was being made. There was a comparison between the much vaunted Shteve and the beleaguered Gaz. The vastly experienced Brolly man has the support of a stable club and a better squad.

Bowyer should not be immune from criticism but he should be immune from unfair comparisons and unfair criticism much of which is repeated ad nauseum on here.

Hes got a better squad because he's moulded it that way, on a shoestring until this January when his board backed him to get promoted.

[Athlete]

I agree but that wasn't the point that was being made. There was a comparison between the much vaunted Shteve and the beleaguered Gaz. The vastly experienced Brolly man has the support of a stable club and a better squad.

Bowyer should not be immune from criticism but he should be immune from unfair comparisons and unfair criticism much of which is repeated ad nauseum on here.

Derbys squad is no better than ours...But their manager is...

Mcclaren had a nitemare at forest another basket case club there's no saying that the same wouldn't happen here if he was our manager

The whole club structure needs to change.. The board and manager at the moment are about self preservation.. The whole culture and running of the club needs to change before we can progress

[Rover_Shaun]

Derby have a board. We have a s(h)elf preservation society

[chris_h]

Hes got a better squad because he's moulded it that way, on a shoestring until this January when his board backed him to get promoted.

He needs to remould if recent results are anything to go by.

I wonder how much grief he's taken on the Derby forums?

[ABBEY]

I agree but that wasn't the point that was being made. There was a comparison between the much vaunted Shteve and the beleaguered Gaz. The vastly experienced Brolly man has the support of a stable club and a better squad.

Bowyer should not be immune from criticism but he should be immune from unfair comparisons and unfair criticism much of which is repeated ad nauseum on here.

CHRIST ALMIGHTY WHICH WAY DO PEOPLE WANT IT ?

WE HAVE BEEN PREACHED TO NON STOP THAT WE IS NOW STABLE ?

[Rover_Shaun]

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/news/12895522.Gary_Bowyer__Blackburn_Rovers_unlikely_to_have_FFP_embargo_lifted_in_summer

Bowyer thinks we'll be under an embargo next season. Well Sherlock I could have told you months ago that we will. Frankly there isn't much point talking about it because the embargo will be here for years yet. Unless FFP is changed to £20m losses a year it ain't leaving Ewood Park.

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I was talking to the Outlaw last night about Rovers and, from his position in the JW stand, he was very indignant about Mr Bowyer. About how he doesn't have any semblance of a plan. The team has no playing style. His transfer policy is scatter-gun. His loans are donkeys from clubs below us that can't even get in their teams. Signed too many wingers. Wouldn't know a midfielder if it punched him in the gob. Perseveres with Cairney when he hasn't got it. Needs shooting for picking Evans and Williamson in the same midfield. Wasted his time on signing a team of wingers and ignored more important positions when he know an embargo was coming. And thinks Brockhole must be a holiday camp.

He was also very indignant about Hanley and pointed out about how we have stumbled upon a "slightly" stronger defence because "his pet" was injured and how he thinks "he'll just pick the big donkey again next season".

He pointed to teams like Brentford and Bournemouth. Yes those "behemoths of football who have had 5 minutes in this league in donkeys years". He mentioned about how they are where they are because they have a game plan, stick to it and have a settled team. They play a certain way if it's 0-0, 1-0 to them or 0-2 down. Whereas "our clown" doesn't even know his best side, alters his team, unnecessarily, to match the opposition...."I can understand it if you are playing the top of the league but why do it when you are playing struggling teams?", and wouldn't know a tactical sub if it bit him on the arse. And how teams like Middlesbrough "were never great shakes but now they have a manager who can get the best out of them"

So even the OAP's under their rugs in the JW are getting restless. And they have never even heard of BRFCC's (where some would have you think the only discontent are moaners on here)

[K-Hod]

He needs to remould if recent results are anything to go by.

I wonder how much grief he's taken on the Derby forums?

Probably a lot, and deservedly so. You should have seen what the outcry there was like when he got the job!!!

If he doesn't get them promoted this season, he's failed, as simple as that.

[Parsonblue]

Depends who you talk to Shaun. I know many in the JW who have similar views to myself and they too, have never heard of BRFCC, let alone use it. I think that the restrictions brought about by FFP are understood by many as a contributing factor to our present situation. Whoever is manager next season will have a very difficult job with having to shop in the free transfer and loan market whilst others will be able to spend - and in some cases spend big. Remaining competitive in the Championship which, in fairness, we have done will become increasingly difficult and will be the main challenge until we can get the embargo lifted. As our income levels are unlikely to increase, unless we can improve the sponsorship deals, then clearly expenditure - in terms of wages - will have to be cut. We've not yet reached the point of scrambling around to pay the milk bill - as in the early 1970s - but one suspects that next season will be very challenging for whoever it manager.

[den]

Depends who you talk to Shaun. I know many in the JW who have similar views to myself and they too, have never heard of BRFCC, let alone use it. I think that the restrictions brought about by FFP are understood by many as a contributing factor to our present situaction

Give over Parson. FFP hasn't hit us at all yet. One January transfer window and he hasn't had to sell anybody. He even admits to not planning for it.

Bowyer -

""Bournemouth went and bought (Callum) Wilson and backed it up by signing Kenwyne Jones. Its good business, its a plan, its a structure in place, and were now working very, very hard to put that in place here but it takes time.

[K-Hod]

Give over Parson. FFP hasn't hit us at all yet. One January transfer window and he hasn't had to sell anybody. He even admits to not planning for it.

Bowyer -

""Bournemouth went and bought (Callum) Wilson and backed it up by signing Kenwyne Jones. Its good business, its a plan, its a structure in place, and were now working very, very hard to put that in place here but it takes time.

If only Kean hadn't been here and spunked all our parachute money on old sh1thouses......

But you are right, there doesn't seem to have been any signings made that weren't just for the sake of it. Not identifying a dynamic centre mid that we've sorely needed for ages, instead getting average winger after winger in and centre halves and crab (not a typo) centre mids.

[chris_h]

I've been on Ewood three times this season and was misguided enough to believe that this forum was indicative of the mood amongst the support. However, the only moaning and groaning I heard on the BBE lower was during the Rotherham game which was bloody awful. Even then it wasn't reflective of the opprobrium towards Bowyer on here.

It has been pointed out that this forum has a relatively small number of regularly active posters. I would reckon that around 70% of the regulars are moaners which represents a tiny proportion of the 12/13k Ewood die hards. One of the most prominent bellyachers on here even revels in not going to games and turning his back on the club. Now he's purporting to being able to accurately gauge the mood of the fans having claimed to have spoken to an old timer from The JWS.

Thankfully, neither him or his disgruntled pal are accurately representative of those who have stuck by the club and have a comprehension of nuance.

[blueboy3333]

Give over Parson. FFP hasn't hit us at all yet. One January transfer window and he hasn't had to sell anybody. He even admits to not planning for it.

Bowyer -

""Bournemouth went and bought (Callum) Wilson and backed it up by signing Kenwyne Jones. Its good business, its a plan, its a structure in place, and were now working very, very hard to put that in place here but it takes time.

what an incredibly strange and inaccurate comment. Last season we got Gestede in the january window which gave the team a massive boost. this season we got no-one. Other teams managed to bring in some cracking loans which would have cost a fee, Bent, Ince, Dorrans, K Jones etc.

[DE.]

Fact is, for the pro-Bowyer and/or pro-Venky contingent FFP will now become an all-encompassing excuse for continued failure. We've only been under embargo for 4 months and we're already being told it's the reason our entire season has been a disaster. In future I imagine anything up to and including relegation itself will be blamed on FFP whilst Bowyer remains untouchable, a good man hamstrung by financial turmoil.

[blueboy3333]

I've been on Ewood three times this season and was misguided enough to believe that this forum was indicative of the mood amongst the support. However, the only moaning and groaning I heard on the BBE lower was during the Rotherham game which was bloody awful. Even then it wasn't reflective of the opprobrium towards Bowyer on here.

It has been pointed out that this forum has a relatively small number of regularly active posters. I would reckon that around 70% of the regulars are moaners which represents a tiny proportion of the 12/13k Ewood die hards. One of the most prominent bellyachers on here even revels in not going to games and turning his back on the club. Now he's purporting to being able to accurately gauge the mood of the fans having claimed to have spoken to an old timer from The JWS.

Thankfully, neither him or his disgruntled pal are accurately representative of those who have stuck by the club and have a comprehension of nuance.

i know it's hilarious. Slagging everything off yet not going to Ewood was becoming a bit ridiculous so now he's 'speaking' on behalf of a regular. My elderly parents go in the JW Upper and like most sat around them they recognise the good work Bowyer's done but grumble a bit about some of the performances and how dull it has been on occasion...so pretty much like most fans of most clubs in every division.

[Rover_Shaun]

Good old Chris as pleasant as ever. Every post contains a dig at somebody. Revels in it? OK sunshine. EDIT: I see one of his pack has predictably waded in.

So going to three games and hearing, what, the 6 people directly around you is also a gauge Chris?

Living in the area, hell fking living in the same hemisphere to the club, you do actually speak to many many Rovers fans who are friends, family and acquaintances, all with eons of supporting under their belts and not many are happy. All say the same thing too, that those that they know largley feel the same. Some are resigned, some are indignant, none are happy. And absolutely none can see a way out. Apathy, sadness and helplessness are the overriding emotions. I can't recall hearing anyone outside this forum say Bowyer has done a good job this season.

But then I suppose personal conclusions are driven by one's personal opinion.

I look forward to your next dig. Love Shaun

PS. Such eloquence DE and not a personal dig in there. It won't take off.

[blueboy3333]

Fact is, for the pro-Bowyer and/or pro-Venky contingent FFP will now become an all-encompassing excuse for continued failure. We've only been under embargo for 4 months and we're already being told it's the reason our entire season has been a disaster. In future I imagine anything up to and including relegation itself will be blamed on FFP whilst Bowyer remains untouchable, a good man hamstrung by financial turmoil.

divide and conquer eh DE? Very mature. Pro-this, anti-that blah blah blah. The FACT is that the embargo will affect the manager/club in an adverse way compared to those who aren't under it. If Bowyer uses it to say that he isn't able to bring in the players he wants then i don't see the problem. It is a FACT.

Also the FACT you see the season as a 'disaster' means you may not be the best judge of what is happening at Ewood.

[Mattyblue]

You are correct, this forum is not reflective of the wider fanbase, this place is a 7 day a week Rovers intensize zone, where the decline of the club is forensically examined.

Many matchday fans, who wouldn't dream of shouting for Bowyers's head, and whilst in Ewood do try and get behind the side and manager, will just stop going, as the product is 'dull', 10000 already have- that is the real crisis, not a few dozen 'moaners' on a website.

[blueboy3333]

Good old Chris as pleasant as ever. Every post contains a dig at somebody. Revels in it? OK sunshine. EDIT: I see one of his poodle pack has waded in. Such pleasant little boys.

So going to three games and hearing, what, the 6 people directly around you is also a gauge? It's as much a gauge as this forum.

Living in the area, hell fking living in the same hemisphere to the club, you do actually speak to many many Rovers fans who are friends, family and acquaintances, all with eons of supporting under their belts and not many are happy. All say the same thing too, that those that they know largley feel the same. Some are resigned, some are indignant, none are happy. And absolutely none can see a way out. Apathy, sadness and helplessness are the overriding emotions.

I look forward to your next dig. Love Shaun

I speak, work and socialise with Rovers fans of all ages. Some are @#/? off, some have accepted it and don't go and some like a good moan and yet still go to Ewood. Some even think Bowyer is doing a good job and loved the cup run and a full Ewood against L'pool. Some think he makes too many excuses and should have done better. Most hate Venky's but a few see they are spending money on the academy/training ground and have refused big offers for Getsede/Rhodes and see they aren't evil and have been completely mugged by Kean/Anderson.

Helplessness, apathy and 'not being able to see a way out' are 'emotions' for quitters and those trying to justify no longer attending.

[chris_h]

Good old Chris as pleasant as ever. Every post contains a dig at somebody. Revels in it? OK sunshine. EDIT: I see one of his pack has predictably waded in.

So going to three games and hearing, what, the 6 people directly around you is also a gauge Chris?

Living in the area, hell fking living in the same hemisphere to the club, you do actually speak to many many Rovers fans who are friends, family and acquaintances, all with eons of supporting under their belts and not many are happy. All say the same thing too, that those that they know largley feel the same. Some are resigned, some are indignant, none are happy. And absolutely none can see a way out. Apathy, sadness and helplessness are the overriding emotions. I can't recall hearing anyone outside this forum say Bowyer has done a good job this season.

But then I suppose personal conclusions are driven by one's personal opinion.

I look forward to your next dig. Love Shaun

PS. Such eloquence DE and not a personal dig in there. It won't take off.

Just saying as I honestly found it on my visits to Ewood.........

........not that you'd know of course.

[blueboy3333]

You are correct, this forum is not reflective of the wider fanbase, this place is a 7 day a week Rovers intensize zone, where the decline of the club is forensically examined.

Many matchday fans, who wouldn't dream of shouting for Bowyers's head, and whilst in Ewood do try and get behind the side and manager, will just stop going, as the product is 'dull', 10000 already have- that is the real crisis, not a few dozen 'moaners' on a website.

10000? Most stopped going because of Kean/relegation. Our crowds have held up well after three seasons in the Championship. It might not be as good next year though as i can see more stopping going but i'm not sure that they will all stop going because of the 'product' on offer.

[Rover_Shaun]

Helplessness, apathy and 'not being able to see a way out' are 'emotions' for quitters and those trying to justify no longer attending.

Who needs to justify anything? I have no problem with my decisions. Duck. Back. Water. Life is good

[chris_h]

Who needs to justify anything? I have no problem with my decisions. Duck. Back. Water. Life is good

Not judging by your hilariously ott reaction to my fairly mild post further up!

[Mattyblue]

10000? Most stopped going because of Kean/relegation. Our crowds have held up well after three seasons in the Championship. It might not be as good next year though as i can see more stopping going but i'm not sure that they will all stop going because of the 'product' on offer.

Yes, that's why they stopped, however most of those hadn't moaned on a website, never protested, they just drifted away, more will now do the same under Bowyer.

[Rover_Shaun]

So I am not allowed any redress as well as no opinion on Rovers? Figures. What's wrong has Abbey logged off?

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Anyway back on topic........