[Archived] Transfer Talk

[thenodrog]

Until rovers can sign anyone (out of embargo) selling both Rhodes and Gestede is suicide.

Regardless of debt, to sell the top players without being able to replace them would cause rovers to sink like a stone.

Keeping one or both players increases the chances of a cup run, promotion push or even a league title.

Yes recent history isn't very good but we need to believe there is a chance of something positive coming.

The club do need to sort out the turnover to expenses ratio but that can be achieved this year with new sponsorships and lower wages!

Losing Dunn, Robbo and who ever else goes lowers outgoings whilst new sponsorships increase incomings.

That will show FFP that we are compliant and this will go some way to rectifying our situation.

Selling anyone who is seen as vital to our promotion is futile and very short sighted!

I doubt you have factored in falling gate receipts as the collective malaise / apathy continues with the supporters. We can't or at least don't put prices up and yet still numbers keep falling. We are in a viscous circle.

[thenodrog]

The debt is against the club.

It's there in black and white. Rovers' creditors totalled £98 million at June 2014.

Ian Battersby said the debt isn't secured against the club, we all heard it on radio Lancashire, why would he tell fibs?

Gav, I heard Ian Battersby say the same thing.

Precisely why I always use 'if' when referring to the whereabouts of the debt.

That's just backwards. Any manager coming in has a ready made excuse and their reputation is protecting by the very things you consider threats [since you joined Team GB that is - seriously, what did they do to you??]

Well we'll see eh? imo most top managers get their transfer kitty and wish list sorted before they sign on the dotted line.

[ABBEY]

Don't be so alarmist and short-sighted. Everyone knows we can afford to wallow in the Championship for another ten years until Bowyer puts his promotion side together. Just ask Parson.

and not only that we is stable and venkys are minted.

[thenodrog]

I'm getting a bit confused about how Leeds have suddenly managed to go from unacceptable losses and an embargo in January to now being able to spend money and are talking to Joey Barton about a contract. How have they managed to do that without selling players?

Who knows but couldn't it be that some long term debt / loan (s) has finally been paid off? Maybe some payments to ex players have finished as ours have been doing. Maybe new sponsorship deals have been negotiated. They were on telly an awful lot last season remember. There could be lots of reasons.

[thenodrog]

Again cheers for that.

I get what you're saying, I've always got it, if correct makes getting rid of this lot even more important in my book.

Why gav.... are you going to stump up the necessary? If they go I'd imagine the end of BRFC will be in sight.

I'd need to study the position here but I reckon the best thing we as supporters can do is get the club and Brockhall recognised as a community asset and they can only be used for football in the future.

Don't be so alarmist and short-sighted. Everyone knows we can afford to wallow in the Championship for another ten years until Bowyer puts his promotion side together. Just ask Parson.

thank you for that Toppers. One of the few on here who won't be affected should BRFC be wound up and Ewood sold off.

Lets be real, two goal scorers who plundered 41 goals between them last season WONT be sold for anything less than their real value.

Gestede will command a fee of no less than £6.5m

Rhodes will not leave for anything less than £10.5m

really? imo if contract lengths are the same those values should be the other way around.

[thenodrog]

Fulham must have blown more than a quarter of their entire parachute money on the McCormack deal alone, which is more than we spent on Rhodes.

As far as I am aware Fulham haven't sold any players for big money and its safe to assume that they are paying McCormack, among others, very good money.

The crowds/gates argument doesnt stack up. Fulham aren't a well supported club and the few thousand more through the turnstiles they get doesn't make up the difference.

They do pay more for their ST's too remember. This might help people see why some clubs can still use their cheque books although if receipts were listed it'd be a more accurate guide.

http://www.soccerstats.com/attendance.asp?league=england2

[Amo]

thank you for that Toppers. One of the few on here who won't be affected should BRFC be wound up and Ewood sold off.

Keep on with the personal attacks, it's doing wonders for your credibility.

[Stuart]

Well we'll see eh? imo most top managers get their transfer kitty and wish list sorted before they sign on the dotted line.

There are only 44 management jobs in the English leagues which compare to Rovers (currently*).

6-8 of those all have Champions League ambitions and command a different level of manager. Another 6-8 are those who believe they are established PL teams and want to stay that way, not least because of the money available. These need managers who are better than at least the last 6-8 teams so require proven managers. Your Allardyces, Pulises, Hugheses, etc. Those remaining 6-8 managers are a mix of ex-promoted managers and panic (or even astute) choices to try to avoid the drop. Although there is a new breed of club starting, the clubs who get promoted, take the money and run.

Then there are the relegated clubs who either stick with their manager (if he hasn't fallen on his sword), take a chance on someone from within the club or throw their parachute money at a 'proven manager' (someone who virtually guarantees promotion). Say what you like but the same faces are in the hunt time after time.

After that there are clubs who have a chance of promotion. I'd say we are in the final attempt at that. Teetering on the brink of breaking up the squad and at the whim of the committee ownership style - pride, ambition, and confusion the only things keeping that fading dream alive. If they can stay proud, ambitious (naively, mind) or confirmed for another season, and keep this squad together then we may be the right manager away from one last chance. Burnley were in a very similar situation (although their desperation was more dependent on the final year of parachute payments rather than they final knocking a of ownership interest).

Go on, throw some money (promotion bonus) at Simon Grayson and let's have a final spin. Better to twist with a decent hand and a chance to win the pot than stick with nothing and most likely lose everything anyway.

In for a penny, in for a pound, Mrs D. That's what I'd be telling her if I was Degsy. If he is potted then he's always got his shelves to prop him up. But to my mind, she owes him for the "rogue" act.

*that won't be the case much longer.

[pick32]

How about all the people still defending Nicko go onto skybet an place a £50 bet on every transfer rumour he puts his name too, come the end of August my wager would be your using the newspaper for warmth in your cardboard box.

[Gav]

Don't be so alarmist and short-sighted. Everyone knows we can afford to wallow in the Championship for another ten years until Bowyer puts his promotion side together. Just ask Parson.

That's a poor attempt at sarcasm Topman, very poor. Parson isn't even posting at the moment.....

[Amo]

That's a poor attempt at sarcasm Topman, very poor. Parson isn't even posting at the moment.....

A touch hyperbolic but not far from the kind of stuff Parson has been spouting.

[Gav]

A touch hyperbolic but not far from the kind of stuff Parson has been spouting.

A more loyal dyed in the wool Rovers fan you'll not find, despite his views and opinions, he deserves more respect on here.

[skous18]

Alexander Tonev from Aston Villa will be a free agent from next month. He used to play as a CM or behind the striker when he was playing for the Bulgarian national team and he was amazing. Then he played a few games as a winger at Villa and he was more than terrible. So I think that we can use him as a second striker or a CM

[davulsukur]

Ok, let's see then how much he goes for.

A player is only worth what some other club will pay.

The world has moved on. £6million for Rhodes plus a couple of million extras is probably as good as it will get.

That's all we can do I'm afraid.

I'll take your points on financial matters, as accounts seems to be your profession but you have no idea how much clubs are willing to pay. As for the world moving on, it doesn't stack up that his value suddenly cuts in half after bagging 20+ goals for his 6th season running.

Hull were willing to pay the asking price last summer and it doesn't make sense for venkys to accept half as much now. Even if they have given up on promotion.

[Amo]

A more loyal dyed in the wool Rovers fan you'll not find, despite his views and opinions, he deserves more respect on here.

I don't doubt that, GAV, but his views on Bowyer and the club's financial situation are downright delusional and insult the intelligence of every fan on here when he espouses them.

[1arC]

That's all we can do I'm afraid.

I'll take your points on financial matters, as accounts seems to be your profession but you have no idea how much clubs are willing to pay. As for the world moving on, it doesn't stack up that his value suddenly cuts in half after bagging 20+ goals for his 6th season running.

Hull were willing to pay the asking price last summer and it doesn't make sense for venkys to accept half as much now. Even if they have given up on promotion.

Hull would still be able to afford to offer that amount and given JR has proved he scores plenty at Championship level, they may just cone in for him again.

[Pedro]

That's all we can do I'm afraid.

I'll take your points on financial matters, as accounts seems to be your profession but you have no idea how much clubs are willing to pay. As for the world moving on, it doesn't stack up that his value suddenly cuts in half after bagging 20+ goals for his 6th season running.

Hull were willing to pay the asking price last summer and it doesn't make sense for venkys to accept half as much now. Even if they have given up on promotion.

I personally feel that both Middlesbrough and Hull will come in for him again. They know they'll be buying goals and a better chance of promotion. I also don't think his value has dropped by 50% after another goal-laden season. It's commendable how many goals Rhodes has got, mainly feeding off scraps at times. It would be interesting to see how many he would score in a fwd thinking team - personal preference being at Ewood!

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Gestede 6.5 Million? Rhodes 10.5 Million?.....

Our two most valued players potentially sold for a total figure that does not even scratch the ever spiralling debt!.

It's frightening beyond belief,no crumbs of comfort here.

[Gav]

I don't doubt that, GAV, but his views on Bowyer and the club's financial situation are downright delusional and insult the intelligence of every fan on here when he espouses them.

Opinions eh......

[roverzee]

A touch hyperbolic but not far from the kind of stuff Parson has been spouting.

I don't doubt that, GAV, but his views on Bowyer and the club's financial situation are downright delusional and insult the intelligence of every fan on here when he espouses them.

It's time this place had a locked / private section for Season Ticket holders to eliminate jokers like you.

You have absolutely nothing invested in this football club - financially, emotionally or physically. I bet you couldn't even find Ewood Park without satnav.

But you have the nerve to label someone delusional and insulting, who attends pretty much every game 1st team and reserves?

His thoughts are based on what he sees, hears, feels and sniffs out by being there, time after time over 40+ years, and therefore have some value.

Your thoughts are based on zilch, nothing. Keyboard warrior 400 miles away.

[mustard]

It's time this place had a locked / private section for Season Ticket holders to eliminate jokers like you.

You have absolutely nothing invested in this football club - financially, emotionally or physically. I bet you couldn't even find Ewood Park without satnav.

But you have the nerve to label someone delusional and insulting, who attends pretty much every game 1st team and reserves?

His thoughts are based on what he sees, hears, feels and sniffs out by being there, time after time over 40+ years, and therefore have some value.

Your thoughts are based on zilch, nothing. Keyboard warrior 400 miles away.

Oh, the irony

[chaddyrovers]

I personally feel that both Middlesbrough and Hull will come in for him again.

Exactly my thoughts Pedro.

Hull need an overhaul of their strikers. Jelavic, A.Hernandez and N'Doye didn't do the business for Hull last season

Boro lack a quality goalscorer last season

[ABBEY]

Oh, the irony

damn you bro ,you beat me to it .

[Amo]

It's time this place had a locked / private section for Season Ticket holders to eliminate jokers like you.

You have absolutely nothing invested in this football club - financially, emotionally or physically. I bet you couldn't even find Ewood Park without satnav.

But you have the nerve to label someone delusional and insulting, who attends pretty much every game 1st team and reserves?

His thoughts are based on what he sees, hears, feels and sniffs out by being there, time after time over 40+ years, and therefore have some value.

Your thoughts are based on zilch, nothing. Keyboard warrior 400 miles away.

Okay, so let's get this straight. People can spout whatever gibberish they want without reproach so long as they attend games on a regular basis? Gotcha.

[Mike E]

Perhaps we should sign Luca Toni?

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/32953037