[Archived] Transfer Talk

[chaddyrovers]

Boro, Swansea and Palace interested in Rhodes according to the Northern Echo

http://m.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/13051129.Middlesbrough_face_top_flight_competition_as_they_eye_a_move_for_Rhodes/

[gumboots]

The northern echo and the Gazette have been pushing Rhodes to Middlesbrough for some time. It's an easy one for them. Were there to be definite stories saying Norwich want him, that's when I'd start worrying because according to someone who supposedly heard his dad after he didn't play v Liverpool away, that was dad's choice of destination for him. Mind you, that could also be a total fabrication, although the person I heard it from was a total neutral.

[Gav]

Difficult situation for Bowyer really, he knows Rudy is off, but you can bet your bottom dollar that his suitors won't be willing to pay the asking price until just before the transfer window shuts.

Same with Rhodes also I’d say, I think he’ll want to leave and who can blame him? But until someone meets the asking price he stays and Bowyer can’t bring anyone of note in until then.

Its not an easy situation for Bowyer at all, this is where he earns his money.

[onlyonejackwalker]

When Raya signed his contract I did ask Mercerman if he had been the U21 player who was about to be snapped up by a Premier League club but he called me an imbecile and said no.

So Mercer is right some of the time?

[JHRover]

The northern echo and the Gazette have been pushing Rhodes to Middlesbrough for some time. It's an easy one for them. Were there to be definite stories saying Norwich want him, that's when I'd start worrying because according to someone who supposedly heard his dad after he didn't play v Liverpool away, that was dad's choice of destination for him. Mind you, that could also be a total fabrication, although the person I heard it from was a total neutral.

I find it difficult to believe that someone like Rhodes' dad has been overheard saying such things. He knows the industry having been a player himself and knows it is a very risky game when you start blabbing things in public earshot.

Norwich don't strike me as the sort of club that are going to start throwing silly money around. They seem to take the more frugal approach. Plus they've already got Jerome, Grabban, Hooper and Van Wolfswinkel on their books so a few of those will need to depart first.

There is no use in selling Rhodes to a Championship rival, and I hope that Venkys and co. understand the impact it could have on club morale if they allow our best players to join rivals. Up until now there has been a policy of not selling our players to teams we will be competing against next season.

If it is the case that they want to cash in on Rhodes then rather than accepting a pathetic £6 million bid from Middlesbrough they would be better offering Rhodes around Premier League clubs for £7-8 million, that way supporters would accept the transfer on the basis that Rhodes is moving up a level, rather than the PR suicide of selling him to a Championship rival. Imagine trying to sell season tickets with a 'Premier Pledge' after that.

Hull have put all their strikers up for sale and question marks still surround Bruce and his future at the club. I expect they will have to make considerable cutbacks this summer after heavy spending these last few years, and whilst they could probably afford Rhodes it would be very risky to spend another £10 million on one player on big wages.

[Lancs Rover]

Number of players used by FL teams last season. https://twitter.com/football_league/status/603914447938256899

BRFC appear to be an anomaly. The higher placed teams tended to use fewer and vice versa. Maybe we overachieved based on the number of players we used? Or underachieved in terms of the quality available (suggested by the fact that we didn't serially replace players.) Did Best play for us last year? Was he counted in the total?

Maybe a smaller squad isn't necessarily a bad thing, providing other aspects of the set up are all right.

[1arC]

I find it difficult to believe that someone like Rhodes' dad has been overheard saying such things. He knows the industry having been a player himself and knows it is a very risky game when you start blabbing things in public earshot.

Norwich don't strike me as the sort of club that are going to start throwing silly money around. They seem to take the more frugal approach. Plus they've already got Jerome, Grabban, Hooper and Van Wolfswinkel on their books so a few of those will need to depart first.

There is no use in selling Rhodes to a Championship rival, and I hope that Venkys and co. understand the impact it could have on club morale if they allow our best players to join rivals. Up until now there has been a policy of not selling our players to teams we will be competing against next season.

If it is the case that they want to cash in on Rhodes then rather than accepting a pathetic £6 million bid from Middlesbrough they would be better offering Rhodes around Premier League clubs for £7-8 million, that way supporters would accept the transfer on the basis that Rhodes is moving up a level, rather than the PR suicide of selling him to a Championship rival. Imagine trying to sell season tickets with a 'Premier Pledge' after that.

Hull have put all their strikers up for sale and question marks still surround Bruce and his future at the club. I expect they will have to make considerable cutbacks this summer after heavy spending these last few years, and whilst they could probably afford Rhodes it would be very risky to spend another £10 million on one player on big wages.

I think it goes without saying that the best strategy we can adopt, is insist on a part exchange, with either Rhodes, Gestede or both. We can't pay money for a player, but I am sure we can bring a player in from another club, if he is a stop gap. Palace have a proven goal scorer at out level in Murray and in my virwe, he would be good shout.

[mustard]

Number of players used by FL teams last season. https://twitter.com/football_league/status/603914447938256899

BRFC appear to be an anomaly. The higher placed teams tended to use fewer and vice versa. Maybe we overachieved based on the number of players we used? Or underachieved in terms of the quality )suggested by the fact that we didn't feel the need to replace those we had. Did Best play for us last year? Was he counted in the total?

Maybe a smaller squad isn't necessarily a bad thing, providing other aspects of the set up are all right.

Based on the number of players we used, we underachieved. If maintaining a smaller, more consistent squad is the key to success (as suggested by the teams at the top) then overachieve, we did not.

Although the data is interesting, it's hardly conclusive. For example, it doesn't show how often each team chopped and changed, was it for the odd game due to injury? Was it consistent rotation? I'd imagine a number of the players for those teams played 1 or 2 games to fill gaps. I'd say Bowyer rotated a hell of a lot more than necessary and we'd likely have more players with 10+ appearances than the top teams. It would be interesting to look at data relating to how many changes each manager made for each game, who maintained as much of a consistent starting 11 as possible etc etc.

[Lancs Rover]

Based on the number of players we used, we underachieved. If maintaining a smaller, more consistent squad is the key to success (as suggested by the teams at the top) then overachieve, we did not.

Although the data is interesting, it's hardly conclusive. For example, it doesn't show how often each team chopped and changed, was it for the odd game due to injury? Was it consistent rotation? I'd imagine a number of the players for those teams played 1 or 2 games to fill gaps. I'd say Bowyer rotated a hell of a lot more than necessary and we'd likely have more players with 10+ appearances than the top teams. It would be interesting to look at data relating to how many changes each manager made for each game, who maintained as much of a consistent starting 11 as possible etc etc.

True. Not conclusive. But a pretty strong correlation, I'd say.

[mustard]

True. Not conclusive. But a pretty strong correlation, I'd say.

Yeah, I think the teams who stick to a settled squad tend to do well. Obviously depends on a number of things such as injuries etc. I'm surprised we didn't use more players as Bowyer chopped and changed every single week, however we couldn't use too many players due to FFP rules so it does make sense I guess. If the players weren't so unfit and Bowyer stuck to a core set of players (Hanley not included) then I'd imagine we'd have done better. Then again, if he was tactically adept that would have helped too.

[RevidgeBlue]

Number of players used by FL teams last season. https://twitter.com/football_league/status/603914447938256899

BRFC appear to be an anomaly. The higher placed teams tended to use fewer and vice versa. Maybe we overachieved based on the number of players we used? Or underachieved in terms of the quality available (suggested by the fact that we didn't serially replace players.) Did Best play for us last year? Was he counted in the total?

Maybe a smaller squad isn't necessarily a bad thing, providing other aspects of the set up are all right.

Excellent stats, striking that Clubs seem to have been more successful the fewer players they've used.

Noticeable that the two Clubs who used by far the most players in all the Leagues Tranmere and Blackpool finished bottom of their respective Divisions after using 48 and 50 players respectively.. Also that the Champions of all 3 divisions used 6 players less than us.

TBH I don't think you'd have had to have seen those stats to be of the opinion that Burnley and Bournemouth had exceptional seasons in the last 2 years with very small squads.

EDit: The total number of changes from one match to another over the course of the season would probably be an impossible stat to find but a good one nevertheless. Again, teams with the lowest number would probably have fared the best and I bet we'd be near the top of the list in that respect.

[thenodrog]

Difficult situation for Bowyer really, he knows Rudy is off, but you can bet your bottom dollar that his suitors won't be willing to pay the asking price until just before the transfer window shuts.

Same with Rhodes also I’d say, I think he’ll want to leave and who can blame him? But until someone meets the asking price he stays and Bowyer can’t bring anyone of note in until then.

Its not an easy situation for Bowyer at all, this is where he earns his money.

Me gav...... he is being well overpaid.

[gumboots]

I find it difficult to believe that someone like Rhodes' dad has been overheard saying such things. He knows the industry having been a player himself and knows it is a very risky game when you start blabbing things in public earshot.

Norwich don't strike me as the sort of club that are going to start throwing silly money around. They seem to take the more frugal approach. Plus they've already got Jerome, Grabban, Hooper and Van Wolfswinkel on their books so a few of those will need to depart first.

There is no use in selling Rhodes to a Championship rival, and I hope that Venkys and co. understand the impact it could have on club morale if they allow our best players to join rivals. Up until now there has been a policy of not selling our players to teams we will be competing against next season.

If it is the case that they want to cash in on Rhodes then rather than accepting a pathetic £6 million bid from Middlesbrough they would be better offering Rhodes around Premier League clubs for £7-8 million, that way supporters would accept the transfer on the basis that Rhodes is moving up a level, rather than the PR suicide of selling him to a Championship rival. Imagine trying to sell season tickets with a 'Premier Pledge' after that.

Hull have put all their strikers up for sale and question marks still surround Bruce and his future at the club. I expect they will have to make considerable cutbacks this summer after heavy spending these last few years, and whilst they could probably afford Rhodes it would be very risky to spend another £10 million on one player on big wages.

I did say it could be a total fabrication except I know where it was reputedly heard and you don't, and knowing that I'd give it a bit more credence than I normally would. That's all I'll say

[ada2020]

Difficult situation for Bowyer really, he knows Rudy is off, but you can bet your bottom dollar that his suitors won't be willing to pay the asking price until just before the transfer window shuts.

Same with Rhodes also I’d say, I think he’ll want to leave and who can blame him? But until someone meets the asking price he stays and Bowyer can’t bring anyone of note in until then.

Its not an easy situation for Bowyer at all, this is where he earns his money.

How can he sign anyone of note Gav, even after Rhodes and Gestede leave there's still the small matter of a transfer embargo to contend with.

[chaddyrovers]

I would like us to sign on loan Man Utd midfielder Nick Powell

[J*B]

Dont think we have to pay off the debt to get out of FFP - just get the year on year losses down to something more reasonable.

Rhodes has 3(?) years left. If we sell him, we will retain his wages and the 6m transfer fee. 11.5m. We'll have to give someone else the 10k a week on a 3(?) Year deal... That's 1.5m. So overall, it would save us 10m. That's 5 months of the debt covered.

I ask again - 5 months debt paid or having one last genuine professional capable of scoring goals. Which would you prefer?

You lot almost deserve a Chris Brown / Leon Best strike force.

[phili]

I've never seen any evidence of this specific loan against the final parachute payment, could one of you find it and post it? Thanks.

It's detailed in the accounts. I'll dig out the accounts and post the wording for it when I have a chance later tonight

[Gav]

How can he sign anyone of note Gav, even after Rhodes and Gestede leave there's still the small matter of a transfer embargo to contend with.

It's all about wheeling and dealing ada, that's where we are these days, Bowyer will need to earn his wages this closed season that's for sure.

[JAL]

It's all about wheeling and dealing ada, that's where we are these days, Bowyer will need to earn his wages this closed season that's for sure.

Come on Gav tell me you don't believe that Gary selects the players that come into the club.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Rhodes has 3(?) years left. If we sell him, we will retain his wages and the 6m transfer fee. 11.5m. We'll have to give someone else the 10k a week on a 3(?) Year deal... That's 1.5m. So overall, it would save us 10m. That's 5 months of the debt covered.

I ask again - 5 months debt paid or having one last genuine professional capable of scoring goals. Which would you prefer?

You lot almost deserve a Chris Brown / Leon Best strike force.

Not certain how I got quoted as though I said sell Rhodes. However - imagine a scenario where that 10k was spent on the wages of somebody on loan like Woods from Leicester. Not as prolific as Rhodes - but leads the line better.

Other clubs seem to have used the loan system to far better effect than we have - this is where we should surely be looking while FFP is in place.

[blueboy3333]

http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/birmingham-city-and-blackburn-rovers-lead-the-chase-for-ex-premier-league-defender/

Not sure a right-back is a priority but we're linked with Andy Wilkinson again.

[chaddyrovers]

Come on Gav tell me you don't believe that Gary selects the players that come into the club.

Come on then Jal who is selecting the signings?

You keep mentioning this but YET to provide any kind of proof or agrument to back up your points yet???

IMO, Bowyer is in charge of the football side of the club and that including being in charge of signings. We now have a proper scouting network under Bowyer.

[ada2020]

It's all about wheeling and dealing ada, that's where we are these days, Bowyer will need to earn his wages this closed season that's for sure.

To be honest Gav replacing two 20 goal a season strikers for £10k a week would require a miracle.

Agree with you that he'll really have to earn his wages, in the close season and even more so when the season starts proper.

Come on then Jal who is selecting the signings?

You keep mentioning this but YET to provide any kind of proof or agrument to back up your points yet???

IMO, Bowyer is in charge of the football side of the club and that including being in charge of signings. We now have a proper scouting network under Bowyer.

Likewise Chaddy, prove he is........easy to keep shouting that one out isn't it?

[chaddyrovers]

I think Kamy and Glen Mullan can back me up with that Bowyer is in charge of making signings/incomings?

Shebby or Vinny Rao arent at Rovers anymore.

[ada2020]

And if thier sources can be trusted then great.

However some people are of the opinion that maybe he's not, you seem to take exception to this always demanding proof.

If you don't like the suggestion then ignore it, simple as really.