[Archived] Transfer Talk

[Mercer]

Come on then Jal who is selecting the signings?

You keep mentioning this but YET to provide any kind of proof or agrument to back up your points yet???

IMO, Bowyer is in charge of the football side of the club and that including being in charge of signings. We now have a proper scouting network under Bowyer.

Did Bowyer then sign Bryan Dabo and elect not to give him a single full game ?

Add to that a strange management of Varney.

Just two 'unusual' examples, and there are others, which suggest to me that something does not quite tally with your assertions.

[Athlete]

Did Bowyer then sign Bryan Dabo and elect not to give him a single full game ?

A few agent signings IMO ..

What about yann songoo

[ABBEY]

Your gonna upset the stableites

[Gav]

Come on Gav tell me you don't believe that Gary selects the players that come into the club.

Simply not true JAL, I don't think anyone believes Bowyers not bringing his own players in.

No doubt that's happened in the past, but not now.

To be honest Gav replacing two 20 goal a season strikers for £10k a week would require a miracle.

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Absolutely ada, it's going to be a tough tough season.

[JAL]

Simply not true JAL, I don't think anyone believes Bowyers not bringing his own players in.

No doubt that's happened in the past, but not now.

Really Gav !

Absolutely ada, it's going to be a tough tough season.

[glen9mullan]

All signings are rubber stamped by Bowyer, how they end up on the radar differs , from scouting , players , being offered by agents or through past ties .

Contracts negotiated by Shaw and Sylvester .

No player has been imposed on Bowyer , likewise players being frozen out or deemed surplus to requirement is also down to Bowyer .

No player will be sold unless green light given by Bowyer

[chaddyrovers]

Thanks Glen for that

Very Much Appreciated

[Amo]

Thanks Glen for that

Very Much Appreciated

chaddy's happy place is restored.

[Rover_Shaun]

Santa could pick the targets as long as we go up an severe Scumdog ties

[JAL]

Thanks Glen for that

Very Much Appreciated

Don't believe everything Glen may tell you there's a good chap.

[chaddyrovers]

Don't believe everything Glen may tell you there's a good chap.

I trust Glen and his info.

At least this line you keep mentioning about Bowyer not in charge of signings can be put to rest Jal.

[RevidgeBlue]

All signings are rubber stamped by Bowyer, how they end up on the radar differs , from scouting , players , being offered by agents or through past ties .

Contracts negotiated by Shaw and Sylvester .

No player has been imposed on Bowyer , likewise players being frozen out or deemed surplus to requirement is also down to Bowyer .

No player will be sold unless green light given by Bowyer

Wasn't it you who insinuated last season that GB wasn't picking the team?

I remember it because the inference was made by someone (you I think) that certain players had to be picked every week and I refuted that because at the time GB kept leaving Rhodes out, therefore I felt that for better or for worse GB was making entirely his own selection decisions and was not tied to picking a particular player.

[joey_big_nose]

Number of players used by FL teams last season. https://twitter.com/football_league/status/603914447938256899

BRFC appear to be an anomaly. The higher placed teams tended to use fewer and vice versa. Maybe we overachieved based on the number of players we used? Or underachieved in terms of the quality available (suggested by the fact that we didn't serially replace players.) Did Best play for us last year? Was he counted in the total?

Maybe a smaller squad isn't necessarily a bad thing, providing other aspects of the set up are all right.

Great stats! Lovely to see some real info for once rather than opinion and speculation.

However on this one I think maybe the causation is the other way round? Isn't it better teams use less players as the manager is satisfied with performance? Rather than just using less players will lead to better performanc

[mustard]

Personally, I'd be very surprised if Bowyer hadn't been in control of squad selection or transfers over the last couple of years. I think he's made some good signings and I think he's made some poor signings. Some he hasn't played (Songo'o, Dabo etc) and some he's played far more than he should have (Brown, Evans etc). I think the dropping in JR and the perseverance with Hanley truly suggest Bowyer is in control. I don't think anyone above would be dropping Rhodes nor would they remain as unwavering in their loyalty to Hanley. I don't think this is down to interference in the picking of the team or the acquisition of players, I just think GB isn't the best manager and it shows in his inconsistent signings and tactics/selections.

[Mani]

GB is in charge of all footballing matters at Rovers including purchases, sales and team selection. In the main, his buys have been brilliant and I can't help thinking that if he'd been given the money Kean et al had then we would have been on much stronger position in both footballing and financial terms.

My worry with Gaz is his tactical awareness and team selection at times. There were several games last season where he had the option to finish teams off or shut up shop and I can't think of many he got right.

A big summer ahead. This embargo is completely crippling our attempts at promo. How can it be that we could generate £15-18m in sales and have nothing to spend?

I'm worried.

[chaddyrovers]

Bowyer says Rhodes and Gestede won't be sold on the cheap. Abd hope both are still here next season

http://m.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/13217778.Gary_Bowyer__Jordan_Rhodes_and_Rudy_Gestede_will_not_leave_Blackburn_Rovers_on_the_cheap/

[Parsonblue]

Did Bowyer then sign Bryan Dabo and elect not to give him a single full game ?

Add to that a strange management of Varney.

Just two 'unusual' examples, and there are others, which suggest to me that something does not quite tally with your assertions.

Somewhat like the signings of Gary Tallon, Wayne Burnett, Pau Harford and Adam Reed but I doubt anyone questioned Kenny or Ray why they bought them. Then there was John Fitzgerald who arrived with a huge fanfare down at Brockhall and was going to be the main centre-back for years to come. Sometimes signings work out, sometimes they don't. But hey, conspiracy theories seem to be flavour of the month these days on here.

[Mercer]

Bowyer says Rhodes and Gestede won't be sold on the cheap. Abd hope both are still here next season

http://m.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/13217778.Gary_Bowyer__Jordan_Rhodes_and_Rudy_Gestede_will_not_leave_Blackburn_Rovers_on_the_cheap/

Macho positioning.

Do you honestly think Rovers would say anything different ?

I think Wheelock is a mere extension of Rovers' PR.

When you've tipped in well over £100million and you face the prospect of tipping in another £25million, it does tend to focus the mind and 'cutting your losses' springs to mind.

Somewhat like the signings of Gary Tallon, Wayne Burnett, Pau Harford and Adam Reed but I doubt anyone questioned Kenny or Ray why they bought them. Then there was John Fitzgerald who arrived with a huge fanfare down at Brockhall and was going to be the main centre-back for years to come. Sometimes signings work out, sometimes they don't. But hey, conspiracy theories seem to be flavour of the month these days on here.

Agree, some you win and some you lose but you are not seriously putting 'Gary' into Kenny's management league are you ?

I trust Glen and his info.

At least this line you keep mentioning about Bowyer not in charge of signings can be put to rest Jal.

You think what you like if it makes you feel better Chaddy !

Personally, I think there are too many irrational decisions regarding football matters which indicate Ewood / Brockhall is still not baggage free.

[McClarky]

Problem here is that everything at Rovers is shrouded in secrecy and the club sems to still exist in a state of chaos. Hence the rumours about who picks the team and who makes the transfers. There never seems to be a cohesive plan to either so rumours and conspiracy theories are bound to start. A bit of organisation and transparency and we would be in a far better place. It's not that hard.

[Kamy100]

Transfer Update: http://www.brfcs.com/2015/06/02/rovers-transfer-update/

[Gav]

Macho positioning.

Do you honestly think Rovers would say anything different ?

I think Wheelock is a mere extension of Rovers' PR

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It isn't macho positioning though is it merce?

They've backed it up by turning down bids from Hull and Palace for both players on the past.

I begrudgingly give them credit for not letting players leave on the cheap.

[JHRover]

Bowyer's comments aren't really any different to what he has said every window since he has been manager. Basically that we don't want to lose our players but that if bids of a certain level come in then we may be powerless to resist. It strikes me that once again Bowyer is being honest and realistic about the situation. The only real added complication is that if we are to lose either striker I expect that it will be much later on in the window once clubs start working through their targets and get more desperate for additions. This means that with the embargo in place it will be much more difficult to replace them without being able to throw money at the market.

If it is true that Venkys have valuations of circa £8 million for Gestede and £10-12 million for Rhodes, and will not budge on those, then that makes me more confident of keeping one or both. I think that £8 million is the very top end valuation for Gestede, and would be surprised if a club like Palace or West Brom were willing to spend that much on him. Watford certainly won't. If Gestede is keen on a move away then I can see things getting potentially ugly as he won't be happy if Venkys continue to turn clubs away for not reaching the £8 million mark, and we would then see what Venkys are made of.

£10-12 million for Rhodes, if stuck to as a valuation, surely rules him out for any Championship club. I would love someone to explain to me how any Championship side, particularly ones like Boro and Derby with no Premier League money, could possibly get close to that figure without immediately breaching FFP rules. Because I've sat down and thought about it and the sums simply don't add up.

The last remaining question is whether a Premier League club would get up towards £11 million for Rhodes. I'd be very surprised. Despite scoring 20+ a season for 6 years running the only Premier League interest has ever been from Hull City, and they were desperate. I don't think Rhodes will tick enough boxes for the established Premier League clubs, whilst those down in the bottom half or third would be taking one huge gamble paying that much for him.

I suppose we'll see what Venkys are all about this summer. Hopefully it will be more of the same stubborn refusal to negotiate on price that we have seen in the last couple of years.

It does seem odd that we're now into June and Bowyer still hasn't been over to India for his review meeting. Pre-season starts in less than 4 weeks and they haven't even got round to reviewing last season yet? Bizarre.

[chaddyrovers]

Macho positioning.

Do you honestly think Rovers would say anything different ?

I think Wheelock is a mere extension of Rovers' PR.

When you've tipped in well over £100million and you face the prospect of tipping in another £25million, it does tend to focus the mind and 'cutting your losses' springs to mind.

You think what you like if it makes you feel better Chaddy !

Personally, I think there are too many irrational decisions regarding football matters which indicate Ewood / Brockhall is still not baggage free.

Macho Positioning?

The owners have turned down bids for both Rhodes and Gestede in the past 12 months.

The owners have the vaulation on both players and wont accept bids for any less.

What decisions are irrational then?

JHRover, the only championship club I can see coming in for Rhodes is Hull City tbh. They will have funds and I expect Bruce will want to reshape his striker options.

I hope we keep both tbh and keep most of the squad together.

[ABBEY]

Chaddy you was creaming over nickos article on boro the other day, does this now mean you think nickos posts crap ?

[Rover_Shaun]

Some blasts from the past there Parson. Difference being they were signed as youngsters for the reserves/youth team and not for the first team squad. Unlike these days.

Poor Jimmy Corbett (Injury prone. Who was at Rovers for 5 years without making an appearance)