[Archived] Transfer Talk

[tomphil]

Get what we can, offer King and Gestede better contracts to keep them, financed by savings from Rhodes sale - Result

I like King but he's not worth throwing a big wage at just to keep him seeing as he's off and in no way will his goal contribution replace that of Rhodes.

This board is going to be an interesting place next season as the 'sell Rhodes' brigade all bemoan another missed chance and scream 'we need a @#/? finisher, I'm sick of this I'm not going again' !

[RevidgeBlue]

Get what we can, offer King and Gestede better contracts to keep them, financed by savings from Rhodes sale - Result

I don't agree with that from a football perspective, but judged purely from the perspective of FFP wouldn't that leave us no better off?

What are the criteria we have to meet before any embargo is lifted?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I'm talking about the Byrom that scored 25 First Division league goals in 40 games and 7 goals in 5 games in the two cups in season 1964-65. Bobby Moore is on record as saying Byrom was one player he hated playing against. Ask any Bolton fan how good Byrom was for them after we foolishly let him go. Byrom was quicker than Rhodes running backwards. He was in his thirties and finished when came back to Ewood in the 70's. The same applies to Fred Pickering when he came back. In his pomp only Shearer was a better No 9 for Rovers than Fred in my opinion. Beattie hardly got a game here, what about his later career ?

[Mercer]

I'm talking about the Byrom that scored 25 First Division league goals in 40 games and 7 goals in 5 games in the two cups in season 1964-65. Bobby Moore is on record as saying Byrom was one player he hated playing against. Ask any Bolton fan how good Byrom was for them after we foolishly let him go. Byrom was quicker than Rhodes running backwards. He was in his thirties and finished when came back to Ewood in the 70's. The same applies to Fred Pickering when he came back. In his pomp only Shearer was a better No 9 for Rovers than Fred in my opinion. Beattie hardly got a game here, what about his later career ?

We gave Byrom away for £25k !

A very clever footballer as he showed when Greaves moved him back into midfield when his legs had gone.

IMV, Rhodes not in his league.

[West Yorks Rover]

Imagine if Rhodes scores a hat-trick tonight, the media will be going mental tomorrow.

Man City to swoop for Rhodes !!!!

I hope he does mind, I bloody hate those Bolton gits.

[Doug]

I like King but he's not worth throwing a big wage at just to keep him seeing as he's off and in no way will his goal contribution replace that of Rhodes.

This board is going to be an interesting place next season as the 'sell Rhodes' brigade all bemoan another missed chance and scream 'we need a @#/? finisher, I'm sick of this I'm not going again' !

I do not believe we have given King that much of a chance. The vast majority of appearances have been on the left wing as a sub when I've seen him.

I can assure you that I would not 'bemoan' the transfer of Rhodes as I have always maintained that King and Gestede were our best options up front.

The 'sell Rhodes brigade' is a bit daft, I have an opinion on what I see and I'm certainly not influenced by others. I've seen many forwards at this club over the years to make a judgement on his overall ability. I wish he was a Speedy, Newell etc. but he isn't! (IMO).

[RevidgeBlue]

We gave Byrom away for £25k !

A very clever footballer as he showed when Greaves moved him back into midfield when his legs had gone.

IMV, Rhodes not in his league.

Completely irrelevant comparing Rhodes to some of the the best players who have graced a Rovers shirt. If we could replace Rhodes on a free with a young John Byrom or a James Beattie at his peak then fine but the overwhelming likeliehood is we'd get someone of the standard of Varney Brown Kuqi Tony Diamond Paul Shepstone Barry Endean John O Mara Paul McKinnon etc. The list of strikers who haven't come off for us is endless.

Which is why we should hang onto Rhodes (and Gestede) for grim death unless the FFP regulations eventually dictate otherwise.

[roverstdt]

I have to admit I wouldn't be sad to see Rhodes go. People will see this as a lose lose situation, however if the positive is that we get 12m, with 35k off the wage bill, and with Robbo, Willo, Songo'o, Varney, and so forth contracts running out in the summer then we are making the right steps to getting our finances under control, and it would hopefully mean that we get that transfer embargo lifted. Hell to be honest I wouldn't mind even seeing Grant Hanley sold if it meant we gave a new contract to Killa, and signed Baptiste on a permanent deal. I wouldn't mind seeing Spearing being snapped up as well.

Though if we were to sell Rhodes, then Gestede must must must be kept at the club regardless of the offers we get. We can't keep chopping and changing the squad and say we need to rebuild every summer if we sell out assets. I would offer a new deal to King around the same that he is getting now, who knows it could be a decent partnership.

More importantly I would like to see us using loan signing, and young players to fill up the squad rather than sign old has been players like Varney.

[RevidgeBlue]

I would rather keep them both and FFP may dictate otherwise but I wouldn't be sad to see Rhodes stay, Gestede leave for a sizeable fee and some of the leeway generated be invested in a midfielder who can thread the ball through for the strikers.

King, one unbelievable performance against Stoke then breaks down after less than 5 minutes against Norwich. I'd still drive him to any other Club who wants him free of charge when his contract expires.

[den]

I suspect you know full well that if Best had not been injured, then the extra money would not have been spent and are simply being argumentative for the sake of it..

You're also changing the goalposts with your answer above, if we'd had a better manager in charge we'd have done a lot better no matter which players we had!

Notice you also ignored my question about how you think we'd have done with Best instead of Rhodes completely.

Bored with it all Rev - and I've not changed anything. it's all there to read.

[den]

I like King but he's not worth throwing a big wage at just to keep him seeing as he's off and in no way will his goal contribution replace that of Rhodes.

This board is going to be an interesting place next season as the 'sell Rhodes' brigade all bemoan another missed chance and scream 'we need a @#/? finisher, I'm sick of this I'm not going again' !

The "sell Rhodes" brigade will be asking why we didn't sell him when we could buy someone - or even four or five better players with the money. Who cares now what happens? That money has gone and its been wasted.

[RevidgeBlue]

The "sell Rhodes" brigade will be asking why we didn't sell him when we could buy someone better with the money. Who cares now what happens? That money has gone and its been wasted.

Who have we wasted the money on since summer?

[joey_big_nose]

I think Bowyer has always fancied selling Rhodes for 8m plus. He wanted him gone to hull in the summer but venkys kaiboshed it. In hindsight it would have been the right thing to let him go.

If your team has the quality and dominance to create the right chances I think Rhodes would score a hatful. For Derby in the championship he would be deadly. In the prem however where he would only ever be in a struggling team playing on the counter I think he would be totally ineffective. No pace, no strength, no skill. A standard prem centreback would mark him out of the game imo. Hence, as others have said, why he hasn't played against any of the prem teams in the cup. That said boro etc seem to want to pay the 8m + we want.

Hes leaving one way or the other. Gone well past the point of return. GB doesn't fancy him, a lot of the fans don't fancy him, the team has generally looked better without him, and he is one if two players we can get money for. Adios.

He will go now on loan, or - much more likely IMO - in the summer. Can't see the logic in loaning him, him picking up an injury and then us getting nothing for the sake of 300k.

Gestede will go also - I think after Liverpool he has probably added another mill to his fee. King will go for nothing as at end for contract. GB (or whoever comes in) will have to find a new strike force for a song.

Its a crap situation. The one silver lining is that GB pulled Gestede out of his ar*e for half a mill. Let's hope he can do it again. Twice.

[ABBEY]

A 3 month loan would save Rovers approaching £650k in wages, bonuses and employers' national insurance contributions (at almost 14% which most folk either don't know about or forget).

£15million, even £12million are all silly numbers for a striker who clearly does not have an all round game.

I think he will go this week and it will not be the unanimous decision of owners / board / coaching staff hence the reason for the present impasse.

Is this the same owners YOU PROMISED were 100% leaving ?

[den]

I think Bowyer has always fancied selling Rhodes for 8m plus. He wanted him gone to hull in the summer but venkys kaiboshed it. In hindsight it would have been the right thing to let him go.

If your team has the quality and dominance to create the right chances I think Rhodes would score a hatful. For Derby in the championship he would be deadly. In the prem however where he would only ever be in a struggling team playing on the counter I think he would be totally ineffective. No pace, no strength, no skill. A standard prem centreback would mark him out of the game imo. Hence, as others have said, why he hasn't played against any of the prem teams in the cup. That said boro etc seem to want to pay the 8m + we want.

Hes leaving one way or the other. Gone well past the point of return. GB doesn't fancy him, a lot of the fans don't fancy him, the team has generally looked better without him, and he is one if two players we can get money for. Adios.

He will go now on loan, or - much more likely IMO - in the summer. Can't see the logic in loaning him, him picking up an injury and then us getting nothing for the sake of 300k.

Gestede will go also - I think after Liverpool he has probably added another mill to his fee. King will go for nothing as at end for contract. GB (or whoever comes in) will have to find a new strike force for a song.

Its a crap situation. The one silver lining is that GB pulled Gestede out of his ar*e for half a mill. Let's hope he can do it again. Twice.

Hater/realist*

*delete as appropriate.

You're dead right JBN.

[Baz]

Well Rhodes is starting, so may be balloney.

[yoda]

Who have we wasted the money on since summer?

Degsy and Myers

[Baz]

Who have we wasted the money on since summer?

Steele?

[den]

Who have we wasted the money on since summer?

It will go to pay off the debt and we'll never see it invested again. What could have been eh?

Wasted.

[Gav]

It will go to pay off the debt and we'll never see it invested again. What could have been eh?

Wasted.

Rhodes has scored for fun, we couldn't have brought in more goals if we'd have had proper football people at the club, so I'm not sure what point you're making den?

[Tom]

Rhodes in a millisecond shows why we need him

Not his best game but if he is on you have a chance

On the flip side you have cloggers like Brown that work hard but couldn't finish their supper and if rhodes goes thats our future

KEEP

[47er]

The tragedy for us is that we have probably the best 2 strikers in the Division but they apparently cannot function in the same team.

Hard to work that one out.

[Mercer]

Think that goal keeps Rhodes here for the season at least.

Anything other than a win tonight and even the V's wouldn't buy 'promotion hopes' clap trap from Gaz.

[ABBEY]

How @#/? is rhodes ??

[47er]

Think that goal keeps Rhodes here for the season at least.

Anything other than a win tonight and even the V's wouldn't buy 'promotion hopes' clap trap from Gaz.

Bowyer is going nowhere Mercerman and it has nothing to do with promotion and never did.