[Archived] Transfer Talk

[Bucksrover]

Just one more year of this particular leech.

Can't wait to see the back of him.

More attitude than Cristiano Ronaldo and as much ability as Luke Varney.

[Neal]

Some supporters did hand out fliers, I was one of them

Me too, people looked at me like I was trying to give them a disease. Others just wanted to argue or call you whatever names they could think of. Ever since then my respect for our 'fans' has completely gone. I was disgusted and ashamed by them and I always will be.

[Parsonblue]

Me too, people looked at me like I was trying to give them a disease. Others just wanted to argue or call you whatever names they could think of. Ever since then my respect for our 'fans' has completely gone. I was disgusted and ashamed by them and I always will be.

There are fans who had a different viewpoint on the protests and had similar feelings to yourself but not against those not protesting but to the protesters. Many felt they merely made a dire situation worse but that is water under the bridge. The past is the past. However, it illustrates a problem which is amply illustrated on these forums. There simply is no tolerance for anyone with a different viewpoint. At the end of the day it ought to be possible to hold different views about managers, players, owners, officials or whatever and remain civil to one another. Sadly, the fact that we can't - and I include myself in this - probably says more about us as individuals than the issues we are debating. As Glen has pointed out earlier, either in this thread or another, the fans are divided in terms of opinions about so many issues surrounding the club. There is no united fan base. We talk of the 'fans' as if they are one body, they aren't, they are a collection of individuals with individual viewpoints. Perhaps with more tolerance - and again I'm the first to admit that it is something I need to show more of - the discussion on here can become informed rather than all of us slagging one another off as tends to happen now to some degree or other.

[Gav]

Me too, people looked at me like I was trying to give them a disease. Others just wanted to argue or call you whatever names they could think of. Ever since then my respect for our 'fans' has completely gone. I was disgusted and ashamed by them and I always will be.

Must admit I lost all faith in my fellow supporter during the 'protest' era.

How the hell these fans can sit there and watch the systematic destruction of the club we all love still leaves me baffled and frustrated. People/Groups that should have been involved decided it would be better to attack the protesters!

Anyway I’ll climb down off the soap box, its over, the destruction was done and we went without a whimper, the vast majority of fans have no fight in them, which is really sad for a working class club from a proud industrial town in the North.

[chimbondapie]

There are fans who had a different viewpoint on the protests and had similar feelings to yourself but not against those not protesting but to the protesters. Many felt they merely made a dire situation worse but that is water under the bridge. The past is the past. However, it illustrates a problem which is amply illustrated on these forums. There simply is no tolerance for anyone with a different viewpoint. At the end of the day it ought to be possible to hold different views about managers, players, owners, officials or whatever and remain civil to one another. Sadly, the fact that we can't - and I include myself in this - probably says more about us as individuals than the issues we are debating. As Glen has pointed out earlier, either in this thread or another, the fans are divided in terms of opinions about so many issues surrounding the club. There is no united fan base. We talk of the 'fans' as if they are one body, they aren't, they are a collection of individuals with individual viewpoints. Perhaps with more tolerance - and again I'm the first to admit that it is something I need to show more of - the discussion on here can become informed rather than all of us slagging one another off as tends to happen now to some degree or other.

Really ? About time. Despite what history tells us I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

For what it's worth I agree with you , in all areas of life people find it so difficult to tolerate the notion of opinion

[Gav]

There are fans who had a different viewpoint on the protests and had similar feelings to yourself but not against those not protesting but to the protesters. Many felt they merely made a dire situation worse but that is water under the bridge. The past is the past. However, it illustrates a problem which is amply illustrated on these forums. There simply is no tolerance for anyone with a different viewpoint. At the end of the day it ought to be possible to hold different views about managers, players, owners, officials or whatever and remain civil to one another. Sadly, the fact that we can't - and I include myself in this - probably says more about us as individuals than the issues we are debating. As Glen has pointed out earlier, either in this thread or another, the fans are divided in terms of opinions about so many issues surrounding the club. There is no united fan base. We talk of the 'fans' as if they are one body, they aren't, they are a collection of individuals with individual viewpoints. Perhaps with more tolerance - and again I'm the first to admit that it is something I need to show more of - the discussion on here can become informed rather than all of us slagging one another off as tends to happen now to some degree or other.

Do you not wish you could turn back time and actually come out in protest against what was happening?

I'd like to think we have thousands of fans regretting not protesting, you only need look at the outcome to realise we've been treated like idiots as fans, had our club stollen from us by people only interested in financial gain?

I get that some people don't protest in the way I would, but surely you feel betrayed.

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[Atomicrover]

The silence is deafening at Ewood at present .

Silent owners , silent boardroom and the usual FFP comments from Bowyer.

My season ticket renewal came through door last week , to date I have not even opened it I'm that disillusioned with our club at present .

It's about time we had a statement of intent , rather than the "feeling sorry for ourselves comments"

Mine is already in the shredder...(although I COULD still do it online...)

[den]

I'm not sure how protesting against what was happening made things worse. For me, the sight of stewards wading into demonstrating fans on the Drwen end, then the club asking fans to demonstrate on the ground after the final whistle - then drowning them out by turning up the loudspeakers simply showed utter contempt for the fans. That really saddened me.

[thenodrog]

Must admit I lost all faith in my fellow supporter during the 'protest' era.

How the hell these fans can sit there and watch the systematic destruction of the club we all love still leaves me baffled and frustrated. People/Groups that should have been involved decided it would be better to attack the protesters!

Anyway I’ll climb down off the soap box, its over, the destruction was done and we went without a whimper, the vast majority of fans have no fight in them, which is really sad for a working class club from a proud industrial town in the North.

There you go again!

Definition Gav?

tbh Interpreting your meaning as I assume you meant it, I can't think of a club that wouldn't qualify for that description.

[thenodrog]

I'm not sure how protesting against what was happening made things worse. For me, the sight of stewards wading into demonstrating fans on the Drwen end, then the club asking fans to demonstrate on the ground after the final whistle - then drowning them out by turning up the loudspeakers simply showed utter contempt for the fans. That really saddened me.

Plus the reported search policy for anybody wearing yellow!

It all led to the outpouring of hatred during matches towards Kean that was so criticised by the press and media and Moyes. The odd thing is that the people who booed and chanted for his sacking by this time were in the majority. So where tf were they for the earlier protests?

btw Given the overall situation at that time and club's reprehensible behaviour toward it's own supporters why do I now attract criticism for choosing to stay away from Ewood whilst the Kean/Anderson regime was in place?

[ABBEY]

That was about 40 mins of the kean era when the majority chanted . The rest of the time the majority did nothing.

Parson thing is it isn't in the past though . The venkys legacy is alive and kicking and killing our club. We need an out and out protest against the v .

1st game of the new season should be a total boycott . get it in the media and then next match a Blackpool style sit in on the pitch .

Will it happen ? Will it hell .

[Neal]

There are fans who had a different viewpoint on the protests and had similar feelings to yourself but not against those not protesting but to the protesters. Many felt they merely made a dire situation worse but that is water under the bridge. The past is the past. However, it illustrates a problem which is amply illustrated on these forums. There simply is no tolerance for anyone with a different viewpoint. At the end of the day it ought to be possible to hold different views about managers, players, owners, officials or whatever and remain civil to one another. Sadly, the fact that we can't - and I include myself in this - probably says more about us as individuals than the issues we are debating. As Glen has pointed out earlier, either in this thread or another, the fans are divided in terms of opinions about so many issues surrounding the club. There is no united fan base. We talk of the 'fans' as if they are one body, they aren't, they are a collection of individuals with individual viewpoints. Perhaps with more tolerance - and again I'm the first to admit that it is something I need to show more of - the discussion on here can become informed rather than all of us slagging one another off as tends to happen now to some degree or other.

Im not sure how it could have been viewed as making the situation worse and although as you say... 'The past is the past' but what we're left with now is the result of that past, a segregated fan base, low attendences and financial problems... I suppose me point is: we'll be forever living in the past until Venkys leave or miraculously decide to run the club properly.

How anyone could have wanted to sit and let what was happening at the time just happen I find difficult to accept. It absolutely destroys the idea of what fan base I want to be part of.

I think I should also mention, from my experience the people who did protest or hand out flyers generally got on with their business and didn't try to force their opinions on others but they way were treated was generally disgusting by both the club and sections of supporters.

My old man who's in his 50's protested with me and I used to listen to his friends say "why are you bothering?" "There's no point" or "can't be bothered"... These people witnessed the club before success and then were spoonfed trophies, European football (all at cheap prices) built by a local hero's money and his legacy... I used to consider these people die hard fans.

[arbitro]

Im not sure how it could have been viewed as making the situation worse and although as you say... 'The past is the past' but what we're left with now is the result of that past, a segregated fan base, low attendences and financial problems... I suppose me point is: we'll be forever living in the past until Venkys leave or miraculously decide to run the club properly.

How anyone could have wanted to sit and let what was happening at the time just happen I find difficult to accept. It absolutely destroys the idea of what fan base I want to be part of.

I think I should also mention, from my experience the people who did protest or hand out flyers generally got on with their business and didn't try to force their opinions on others but they way were treated was generally disgusting by both the club and sections of supporters.

My old man who's in his 50's protested with me and I used to listen to his friends say "why are you bothering?" "There's no point" or "can't be bothered"... I used to consider these people die hard fans.

I agree. Generally there were mutterances towards the protestors and at times I thought some of them considered us to be deviants. I heard the usual 'get behind the team' comments from many but I honestly felt that at that time the most important thing was getting the message out there about how our club was being run. Relegation and all the subsequent problems might have come anyway but at the very least some of us can at least say we tried.

[blueboy3333]

That was about 40 mins of the kean era when the majority chanted . The rest of the time the majority did nothing.

Parson thing is it isn't in the past though . The venkys legacy is alive and kicking and killing our club. We need an out and out protest against the v .

1st game of the new season should be a total boycott . get it in the media and then next match a Blackpool style sit in on the pitch .

Will it happen ? Will it hell .

Why would the media be interested now? We are a club in the 2nd tier with some good players who finished in the top half and got to the QF's of the FA Cup. We are hardly a 'crisis' club. That may change if and when the Venky's bugger off and saddle us with all the outstanding debt and we go tumbling down the leagues, but there is no sign of that happening yet...and anyway, lots of clubs are in debt up to their eye-balls, we aren't special in that respect.

As for the 'total boycott' just do what lots of people on here have done and stop going. Personally, i enjoy going to Ewood to watch a manager and players who give their all for the club. Why on earth would i want to go on the pitch and 'sit in' on the pitch and get the club a points deduction or a fine?

A few got on the pitch against Wigan, were you one of them? A load more on the DE tried to get on, were you one of them? The difference at Blackpool t'other week was that there were no stewards stopping the fans that got on the pitch from doing so. They just ran down from the stands and jumped the hoardings.

Anyway, good luck with your 'protest', I look forward to the media descending on Ewood at the start of next season as you Athlete and Jal share a flask in the centre circle. #downwiththatsortofthing #Father Ted

[roverandout]

Why would the media be interested now? We are a club in the 2nd tier with some good players who finished in the top half and got to the QF's of the FA Cup. We are hardly a 'crisis' club. That may change if and when the Venky's bugger off and saddle us with all the outstanding debt and we go tumbling down the leagues, but there is no sign of that happening yet...and anyway, lots of clubs are in debt up to their eye-balls, we aren't special in that respect.

As for the 'total boycott' just do what lots of people on here have done and stop going. Personally, i enjoy going to Ewood to watch a manager and players who give their all for the club. Why on earth would i want to go on the pitch and 'sit in' on the pitch and get the club a points deduction or a fine?

A few got on the pitch against Wigan, were you one of them? A load more on the DE tried to get on, were you one of them? The difference at Blackpool t'other week was that there were no stewards stopping the fans that got on the pitch from doing so. They just ran down from the stands and jumped the hoardings.

Anyway, good luck with your 'protest', I look forward to the media descending on Ewood at the start of next season as you Athlete and Jal share a flask in the centre circle. #downwiththatsortofthing #Father Ted

Bla bla bla

[Neal]

anyway, lots of clubs are in debt up to their eye-balls, we aren't special in that respect.

Personally, i enjoy going to Ewood to watch a manager and players who give their all for the club.

1) We're the only ones under embargo... Think that speaks volumes.

2) Think you've been watching Burnley not Rovers.

[AJW]

I did go on the protest march's , i did wear my yellow and black scarf and i was a bit disappointed there wasn't more of us that did , not that i that i really expected it to change what was going on i just wanted to do something , i wasn't willing to quietly accept what was going on , i couldn't let it go un-noticed by the rest of the community or the football world , and it seemed one of the easiest events anyone could join in .... if the protest was to sit naked in the semi circle i would have done that too

i know it caused some friction between fans and not everyone was in support of it but for me i suppose it was a case of i'd rather do something than nothing

[Neal]

if the protest was to sit naked in the semi circle i would have done that too

Only if we'd have done some sort of ritualistic sacrifice of Ke*n.

[roverandout]

Remember giving up my sat and Sunday mornings, making plakards and getting the train into bBlackburn to go on these protests, believing it would make a difference, had no idea at the time venkys were that pig ignorant.

Anyone remember people looking through the ewood office windows as we were chanting outside the ground? Were they venkys staff?

[ABBEY]

Why would the media be interested now? We are a club in the 2nd tier with some good players who finished in the top half and got to the QF's of the FA Cup. We are hardly a 'crisis' club. That may change if and when the Venky's bugger off and saddle us with all the outstanding debt and we go tumbling down the leagues, but there is no sign of that happening yet...and anyway, lots of clubs are in debt up to their eye-balls, we aren't special in that respect.

As for the 'total boycott' just do what lots of people on here have done and stop going. Personally, i enjoy going to Ewood to watch a manager and players who give their all for the club. Why on earth would i want to go on the pitch and 'sit in' on the pitch and get the club a points deduction or a fine?

A few got on the pitch against Wigan, were you one of them? A load more on the DE tried to get on, were you one of them? The difference at Blackpool t'other week was that there were no stewards stopping the fans that got on the pitch from doing so. They just ran down from the stands and jumped the hoardings.

Anyway, good luck with your 'protest', I look forward to the media descending on Ewood at the start of next season as you Athlete and Jal share a flask in the centre circle. #downwiththatsortofthing #Father Ted

Cheers degsy . Bet you have a naked sepp blatter above your bed .

Nowt wrong at Ewood bluebottle .. It must me great in your world .

[Waggy76]

Why would the media be interested now? We are a club in the 2nd tier with some good players who finished in the top half and got to the QF's of the FA Cup. We are hardly a 'crisis' club. That may change if and when the Venky's bugger off and saddle us with all the outstanding debt and we go tumbling down the leagues, but there is no sign of that happening yet...and anyway, lots of clubs are in debt up to their eye-balls, we aren't special in that respect.

As for the 'total boycott' just do what lots of people on here have done and stop going. Personally, i enjoy going to Ewood to watch a manager and players who give their all for the club. Why on earth would i want to go on the pitch and 'sit in' on the pitch and get the club a points deduction or a fine?

A few got on the pitch against Wigan, were you one of them? A load more on the DE tried to get on, were you one of them? The difference at Blackpool t'other week was that there were no stewards stopping the fans that got on the pitch from doing so. They just ran down from the stands and jumped the hoardings.

Anyway, good luck with your 'protest', I look forward to the media descending on Ewood at the start of next season as you Athlete and Jal share a flask in the centre circle. #downwiththatsortofthing #Father Ted

Nero fiddled whilst Rome burnt !

[blueboy3333]

Im not sure how it could have been viewed as making the situation worse and although as you say... 'The past is the past' but what we're left with now is the result of that past, a segregated fan base, low attendences and financial problems... I suppose me point is: we'll be forever living in the past until Venkys leave or miraculously decide to run the club properly.

How anyone could have wanted to sit and let what was happening at the time just happen I find difficult to accept. It absolutely destroys the idea of what fan base I want to be part of.

I think I should also mention, from my experience the people who did protest or hand out flyers generally got on with their business and didn't try to force their opinions on others but they way were treated was generally disgusting by both the club and sections of supporters.

My old man who's in his 50's protested with me and I used to listen to his friends say "why are you bothering?" "There's no point" or "can't be bothered"... These people witnessed the club before success and then were spoonfed trophies, European football (all at cheap prices) built by a local hero's money and his legacy... I used to consider these people die hard fans.

Not all 'fans' are the same, just as not all 'protestors' are the same. A couple of Rovers fans i know went on all the protests and were disgusted with how the club was being run but continued to go to the games. A few others, equally disgusted, didn't go on a single protest but stopped going to the games because they refused to give money to the Venksters. Nobody is right, nobody is wrong, people just express their anger/dissatisfaction in different ways. Some just get beaten down by it all and apathy/depression/frustration set in. Age comes into it as well, the 'revolutionary' spirit is a lot stronger in the 20's than it is when people hit their 40's/50's/60's, and peoples priorities change massively over the years. Judge not till you get there

Bla bla bla

that would have been your best ever post if you'd managed to spell 'blah' right.

So near yet...

Cheers degsy . Bet you have a naked sepp blatter above your bed .

Nowt wrong at Ewood bluebottle .. It must me great in your world .

Cheers Dougal, have you go your placard ready yet?

[ABBEY]

Nero fiddled whilst Rome burnt !

More like poured petrol on Rome

Not all 'fans' are the same, just as not all 'protestors' are the same. A couple of Rovers fans i know went on all the protests and were disgusted with how the club was being run but continued to go to the games. A few others, equally disgusted, didn't go on a single protest but stopped going to the games because they refused to give money to the Venksters. Nobody is right, nobody is wrong, people just express their anger/dissatisfaction in different ways. Some just get beaten down by it all and apathy/depression/frustration set in. Age comes into it as well, the 'revolutionary' spirit is a lot stronger in the 20's than it is when people hit their 40's/50's/60's, and peoples priorities change massively over the years. Judge not till you get there

that would have been your best ever post if you'd managed to spell 'blah' right.

So near yet...

Cheers Dougal, have you go your placard ready yet?

Your weird ..

[RevidgeBlue]

The problem with the protests from my point of view, and I think this holds true more than ever now, is that anyone lobbying for the removal of the owners is effectively lobbying for the end of the Club.

Unfortunately we are stuck with the owners from a financial point of view and imo there wasn't a viable alternative out there when the majority of the protests were taking place either.

If there was a Jack Walker waiting in the wings ready and willing to take over I'd probably have been there protesting with the best of them. But there wasn't and isn't as far as I can see.

"We got rid of Venky's but unfortunately as a result the Club is no more" Well sorry, don't see the point in that and I don't see lobbying for that outcome as being a positive thing.

No doubt this point of view will bring a torrent of criticism but as Parson says, there's no tolerance whatsoever for supporters who hold a slightly different point of view.

[blueboy3333]

Your weird ..

my 'weird' what?