[Archived] Transfer Talk

[JBiz]

Someone has an opinion and they get responded to with "blah blah blah"... That's genius...

I never protested because it would only have one effect- negative.

The reason, the club didn't want to listen and the media only needed an inch to make a mile of painting us as ridiculous. I remember being on the bus from town after/before work seething at different newsnow articles making us out to be the villains and in some ways the protest movement played straight into the SEM news agenda.

In hindsight it's easy to say that we should have done a, b or c, but at the time, and now- I can see why some chose to boycott and others protest- it was sheer misery off and on the field. I applaud those who felt they had to make their voice heard. Broken, my head was firmly buried in my hands for 6 months at least.

[Waggy76]

The problem with the protests from my point of view, and I think this holds true more than ever now, is that anyone lobbying for the removal of the owners is effectively lobbying for the end of the Club.

Unfortunately we are stuck with the owners from a financial point of view and imo there wasn't a viable alternative out there when the majority of the protests were taking place either.

If there was a Jack Walker waiting in the wings ready and willing to take over I'd probably have been there protesting with the best of them. But there wasn't and isn't as far as I can see.

"We got rid of Venky's but unfortunately as a result the Club is no more" Well sorry, don't see the point in that and I don't see lobbying for that outcome as being a positive thing.

No doubt this point of view will bring a torrent of criticism but as Parson says, there's no tolerance whatsoever for supporters who hold a slightly different point of view.

There will be no club with these lunatics in 3 years and the debt will be doubled or even trebled !

[JBiz]

"We got rid of Venky's but unfortunately as a result the Club is no more" Well sorry, don't see the point in that and I don't see lobbying for that outcome as being a positive thing.

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The fan ownership idea would need to gather more momentum and "cash" before I could see protesting them to leave now as viable. They could wind us up for the assets at any time.

[RevidgeBlue]

There will be no club with these lunatics in 3 years and the debt will be doubled or even trebled !

You may be right about the debt, they may or may not be able to cover it regardless, but if they walked away tomorrow there's every chance there'd be no more Club much sooner than that.

[mustard]

btw Given the overall situation at that time and club's reprehensible behaviour toward it's own supporters why do I now attract criticism for choosing to stay away from Ewood whilst the Kean/Anderson regime was in place?

I think it's due to the hypocrisy in your posts, not the fact you actually took a sabbatical. Some might argue you'd have been better off joining in with the supporters protesting than staying away but that's the by the by IMO and you were fair enough to boycott for whatever reason. I know plenty who gave up at the time (and since).

However, your criticism of those who stay away now is the crux of it for me. I don't believe this "the club need every penny from every ST and those staying away are damaging the club" malarky. Whilst there are less notable agent ongoings at Rovers nowadays, the poison is still in the heart of Rovers and if people feel that abstaining from coming to Ewood is what it's come to after Venky's systematic destruction of the club then that's their choice IMO.

Being very vague and unspecific, assuming average season ticket prices amongst a mix of adults/children/seniors comes to approx £250-£300. Plus a fiver spent each home match day makes an average of around £400. Let's say an extra 5,000 ST holders come back to Ewood and the it totals £2mill. If we get an extra 10,000, that £4mill turnover has covered 2 months of debt. Barely a dent and certainly not going to make diddly squat of a difference to Venky's. Tbh, a boycott is just about the only thing that might whip them into shape and force them to employ the right people to stop the impending fall into League One (which you've said is happening, regardless) but a mass boycott simply won't happen, as a lot of us will just go along anyways.

I'll likely be there next year again, supporting the team. Chances are I won't be enjoying it but oh well, maybe I'll renew and play football on Saturdays (which I did on occasion last term). It's a decent level and I feel much more in control of my own performance than that of the Rovers. I'm just saying, your critique of others for boycotting now is hypocritical at best and I think you should leave them to it. When Rovers are in the Conference and legitimately need every fan we have to maintain the survival of the club, maybe then I'll join you in calling out those who stay away.

[ABBEY]

The problem with the protests from my point of view, and I think this holds true more than ever now, is that anyone lobbying for the removal of the owners is effectively lobbying for the end of the Club.

Unfortunately we are stuck with the owners from a financial point of view and imo there wasn't a viable alternative out there when the majority of the protests were taking place either.

If there was a Jack Walker waiting in the wings ready and willing to take over I'd probably have been there protesting with the best of them. But there wasn't and isn't as far as I can see.

"We got rid of Venky's but unfortunately as a result the Club is no more" Well sorry, don't see the point in that and I don't see lobbying for that outcome as being a positive thing.

No doubt this point of view will bring a torrent of criticism but as Parson says, there's no tolerance whatsoever for supporters who hold a slightly different point of view.

Your opening paragraph is the most insulting and patronising post I think I've ever read on here . So we want the club to die ?? Absolute @#/? .

[thenodrog]

The problem with the protests from my point of view, and I think this holds true more than ever now, is that anyone lobbying for the removal of the owners is effectively lobbying for the end of the Club.

Unfortunately we are stuck with the owners from a financial point of view and imo there wasn't a viable alternative out there when the majority of the protests were taking place either.

If there was a Jack Walker waiting in the wings ready and willing to take over I'd probably have been there protesting with the best of them. But there wasn't and isn't as far as I can see.

"We got rid of Venky's but unfortunately as a result the Club is no more" Well sorry, don't see the point in that and I don't see lobbying for that outcome as being a positive thing.

No doubt this point of view will bring a torrent of criticism but as Parson says, there's no tolerance whatsoever for supporters who hold a slightly different point of view.

But there WAS the Premier League income Simon. £1m per week for every week of the year deposited into the club's coffers. It's even more now. Financially we could have managed with that, other income (proper gate receipts, sponsorship etc) and astute management. Now we'd fold within days. That's something that I don't believe these who have packed in and are packing in can quite grasp..... took em long enough when they didn't protest mind.

[ABBEY]

You may be right about the debt, they may or may not be able to cover it regardless, but if they walked away tomorrow there's every chance there'd be no more Club much sooner than that.

meouldyou rather venkys go now and try and salvage the club or venkys stay and then die completely ?

[thenodrog]

There will be no club with these lunatics in 3 years and the debt will be doubled or even trebled !

Wont matter. We are already way past the point of no return. May as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb fits.

[ABBEY]

Wont matter. We are already way past the point of no return. May as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb fits.

defeatust attitude

[thenodrog]

I think it's due to the hypocrisy in your posts, not the fact you actually took a sabbatical. Some might argue you'd have been better off joining in with the supporters protesting than staying away but that's the by the by IMO and you were fair enough to boycott for whatever reason. I know plenty who gave up at the time (and since).

However, your criticism of those who stay away now is the crux of it for me. I don't believe this "the club need every penny from every ST and those staying away are damaging the club" malarky. Whilst there are less notable agent ongoings at Rovers nowadays, the poison is still in the heart of Rovers and if people feel that abstaining from coming to Ewood is what it's come to after Venky's systematic destruction of the club then that's their choice IMO.

Being very vague and unspecific, assuming average season ticket prices amongst a mix of adults/children/seniors comes to approx £250-£300. Plus a fiver spent each home match day makes an average of around £400. Let's say an extra 5,000 ST holders come back to Ewood and the it totals £2mill. If we get an extra 10,000, that £4mill turnover has covered 2 months of debt. Barely a dent and certainly not going to make diddly squat of a difference to Venky's. Tbh, a boycott is just about the only thing that might whip them into shape and force them to employ the right people to stop the impending fall into League One (which you've said is happening, regardless) but a mass boycott simply won't happen, as a lot of us will just go along anyways.

I'll likely be there next year again, supporting the team. Chances are I won't be enjoying it but oh well, maybe I'll renew and play football on Saturdays (which I did on occasion last term). It's a decent level and I feel much more in control of my own performance than that of the Rovers. I'm just saying, your critique of others for boycotting now is hypocritical at best and I think you should leave them to it. When Rovers are in the Conference and legitimately need every fan we have to maintain the survival of the club, maybe then I'll join you in calling out those who stay away.

I did both. I marched down to Ewood then turned around and went home.

[thenodrog]

Your opening paragraph is the most insulting and patronising post I think I've ever read on here . So we want the club to die ?? Absolute @#/? .

I think you've interpreted Rev's post wrong Abbey. Nobody this side of Padiham want's the club to die, but it will likely be a consequence of venkys departure or at least until the books can be balanced.

[mustard]

I did both. I marched down to Ewood then turned around and went home.

Fair enough. Main of the post was contesting with the hypocrisy in your views and beliefs re: those who stay away now and the difference their ST income would make. Also, bear in mind that the extra 10,000 STs and £4mill turnover would put us back up with our Prem attendances. A highly unrealistic scenario that brings with it minimal improvement to our financial outlook.

[thenodrog]

No hypocrisy at all. When I boycotted we had Premier League payments coming in of 50m pa. Now it doesn't and the club desperately needs the money from it's supporters.

[JAL]

Sharing a flask in the centre circle with athlete that's made me smile blueboy3333 cheers for that!

[Stuart]

Someone has an opinion and they get responded to with "blah blah blah"... That's genius...

I never protested because it would only have one effect- negative.

The reason, the club didn't want to listen and the media only needed an inch to make a mile of painting us as ridiculous. I remember being on the bus from town after/before work seething at different newsnow articles making us out to be the villains and in some ways the protest movement played straight into the SEM news agenda.

In hindsight it's easy to say that we should have done a, b or c, but at the time, and now- I can see why some chose to boycott and others protest- it was sheer misery off and on the field. I applaud those who felt they had to make their voice heard. Broken, my head was firmly buried in my hands for 6 months at least.

A negative is what was required. The 'minus' of the imposter.

If it had been left to those people who just shrugged their shoulders, Kean would probably still be in charge now. No BRAG, no BRFCAG, no pressure from local MPs, no reaction, no Singh, no Kean 'resignation', agents still 'all over' the club, a do not disturb sign still on the office door at Brockhall after 11pm.

Nobody expects gratitude but the continued disdain for those who helped to free this club, our club, of the cancer that paved the way for Bowyer and the stability that everyone raves about is frankly insulting.

But the 'Did Nothings' continue to sneer. Very disappointed with Parsonblue's post on this subject.

[JAL]

No hypocrisy at all. When I boycotted we had Premier League payments coming in of 50m pa. Now it doesn't and the club desperately needs the money from it's supporters.

You've got to draw the line at some point thenodrog. Afterall It's not the supporters that were running the club by failing it's customers.

[DE.]

No hypocrisy at all. When I boycotted we had Premier League payments coming in of 50m pa. Now it doesn't and the club desperately needs the money from it's supporters.

But as Mustard correctly pointed out, that money makes no difference at present, in the same way it didn't when we were in the Prem. In comparison to our overall debts and ongoing costs, income from match-day is utterly irrelevant. We're totally reliant on Venky's for funding at present, 30,000 or 3,000 fans will make no difference to the financial position of the club. They are the only thing standing between the club and oblivion at present - a situation entirely of their own making.

[Al]

The landscape of the town is changing as I say many who've moved out to the ribble Valley other parts of Lancashire now can't even be bothered the whole matchday experience as changed.. Take the walk back into town there's now only the lochside tavern and the railway club left and when you do get to town it's a dead whole.. It's sad but true Blackburn used to be full of life with booming pubs and great nite life

Yes it's a shame. I used to love my Saturday nights out in Blackburn. Alas no longer.

[thenodrog]

DE........... LUFC with similar debt to us are attracting possible buyers at the moment. Why can they do that and we can't? Could it possibly be because their total income exceeds £30m pa whilst ours is a third of that? The key word is potential. The more the supporters tail off the less interest will be shown.

http://www.worldfootball.net/attendance/eng-championship-2014-2015/1/

[DE.]

DE........... LUFC with similar debt to us are attracting possible buyers at the moment. Why can they do that and we can't? Could it possibly be because their total income exceeds £30m pa whilst ours is a third of that? The key word is potential. The more the supporters tail off the less interest will be shown.

http://www.worldfootball.net/attendance/eng-championship-2014-2015/1/

We had 22,000 average coming to watch us when we were a stable PL team and had PL income, yet the Trust struggled to attract any interest even at a very low price and we eventually ended up with Venky's. Why do you think an influx of fans now would make a difference in terms of making us an attractive proposition to buyers any better suited than Venky's to run the club?

[mustard]

No hypocrisy at all. When I boycotted we had Premier League payments coming in of 50m pa. Now it doesn't and the club desperately needs the money from it's supporters.

The club desperately needs money from its supporters or Venky's need the money? If 5-10,000 STs come back and give the club an extra £2-4mill turnover, what changes, really? The money still goes into Venky's pockets to spend as they will, they still build up the debt as they apparently have the capabilities to borrow as they will, FFP still limits the amount of money they can put in to sustain the club and we're still left scratching our heads as to why on earth we're watching this dross down Ewood every other week. Does the extra support stop the impending fall into League One that you profess will happen? Another argument could be that a reduction in attendances could force some positive change from the Venky's. It's all hypothetical really but I don't believe the stayaways are doing any more harm than you were during your boycotting days.

Of course there's a level of hypocrisy there. It surprises me that you so stubbornly refute it. End of the day, Prem League money or not, every ST not renewed over the past few years has put a dent on Venky's coffers, however tiny, they had to find your £400 elsewhere a few years ago Gordon and it was all added to the debt...

DE........... LUFC with similar debt to us are attracting possible buyers at the moment. Why can they do that and we can't? Could it possibly be because their total income exceeds £30m pa whilst ours is a third of that? The key word is potential. The more the supporters tail off the less interest will be shown.

http://www.worldfootball.net/attendance/eng-championship-2014-2015/1/

Any potential buyer would do their research on the club and would see what our supporter base was pre-Venky's. They'd also look at the catchment area so to speak. Of course very different to LUFC. It wouldn't take a genius at this imaginary conglomerate looking to buy us to see a correlation between Venky's and declining attendances, something they would surely see as an area that would improve once they are out of the club.

[Amo]

We had 22,000 average coming to watch us when we were a stable PL team and had PL income, yet the Trust struggled to attract any interest even at a very low price and we eventually ended up with Venky's. Why do you think an influx of fans now would make a difference in terms of making us an attractive proposition to buyers any better suited than Venky's to run the club?

And don't forget the closest buyer before Venky's was (Comical) Ali Syed.

[Waggy76]

Wont matter. We are already way past the point of no return. May as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb fits.

When in your opinion will the Venkys leave ?

Why did they still want the club after relegation ? When we are led to believe there was significant interest ..

I am convinced that the goings on at FIFA have been and probably still are going on at BRFC on a much smaller scale ....Under the radar !

After all surely the best way of recouping your losses is to try and gain promotion ? Kean , Berg ,Appleton and Bowyer would struggle to attain that status if there was a 4 team league playing each other ...

I wont be attending and I am not a post 95 fan more like post 68..

Enough is enough !

[blueboy3333]

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/

This is far too balanced.

Bloody Everton Mafia