[Archived] Transfer Talk

[Stuart]

I can see Gordon's point on this one.

Take any club in the football league, promote them to the Premier League, give them Premier League income, offer the cheapest season tickets in the country, and watch the crowds follow.

Hardly evidence of a sleeping giant. You'd have to say that Manchester City and Leeds, possibly Forest are the teams in recent times that have attracted foreign investment - these teams have large followings no matter what league they are in. Typical city clubs. They already have an advantage but FFP just stops any other clubs competing with them. Especially when they also get the lion's share of television revenue.

[Parsonblue]

A negative is what was required. The 'minus' of the imposter.

If it had been left to those people who just shrugged their shoulders, Kean would probably still be in charge now. No BRAG, no BRFCAG, no pressure from local MPs, no reaction, no Singh, no Kean 'resignation', agents still 'all over' the club, a do not disturb sign still on the office door at Brockhall after 11pm.

Nobody expects gratitude but the continued disdain for those who helped to free this club, our club, of the cancer that paved the way for Bowyer and the stability that everyone raves about is frankly insulting.

But the 'Did Nothings' continue to sneer. Very disappointed with Parsonblue's post on this subject.

So you don't believe we should be tolerant of differing views on here? That is what my post was about. Not everyone agreed with the protests. It is possible for people to have differing views. At the end of the day you are entitled to your views just as I'm entitled to mine.

[ABBEY]

I think you've interpreted Rev's post wrong Abbey. Nobody this side of Padiham want's the club to die, but it will likely be a consequence of venkys departure or at least until the books can be balanced.

The problem with the protests from my point of view, and I think this holds true more than ever now, is that anyone lobbying for the removal of the owners is effectively lobbying for the end of the Club.

dont think i misinterpreted anything Gord.

[Rover_Shaun]

We'll also be stuck with the Tories for ever too if nobody has the sense to say no more.

[Stuart]

So you don't believe we should be tolerant of differing views on here? That is what my post was about. Not everyone agreed with the protests. It is possible for people to have differing views. At the end of the day you are entitled to your views just as I'm entitled to mine.

Those who spewed their bile at protesters were effectively happy for Kean and his cronies to continue destroying our club. Those people are not worth of my respect for their opinion on the matter.

[ABBEY]

Parsons , I cant understand why people didnt agree with protests. Anyone who didnt agree must now be extremly happy how its turning out ?

[Athlete]

Parsons , I cant understand why people didnt agree with protests. Anyone who didnt agree must now be extremly happy how its turning out ?

Some still think everything in the garden is rosy or even stable for that matter .

[Damien]

Most probably very few live there now.. Rovers hard core tends to come now from mill hill Ewood lower Darwen Fernhurst farm Darwen livesey Feniscowles cherry Tree etc all walkable areas to the ground a lot who have now moved away don't bother apathy has set in unfortunately as either they have to drive or use public transport and with the town's drinking establishments dwindling it isn't what it used to be.. Not just the football

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I moved away (admittedly only to Buckshaw) but I come to all home games and have renewed my season ticket this year!

Not all fans who more out of the immediate area give up on the club!

[glen9mullan]

Some still think everything in the garden is rosy or even stable for that matter .

Some still believe that we are a stable club as some have left and since leaving been an easy target to apportion blame

Yes Shebby Singh was a clown and should of been nowhere near running a football club ,

However in a number of interviews he's made it clear he did NOT negotiate contracts ,

Although the Shawites would have you believe otherwise

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11676/8629430/blackburn-global-adviser-shebby-singh-denies-involvement-in-contract-talks

[Exiled in Toronto]

Those who spewed their bile at protesters were effectively happy for Kean and his cronies to continue destroying our club. Those people are not worth of my respect for their opinion on the matter.

That's your interpretation of their motives.

It could be they didn't know any of the background stuff - this messageboard is only actively used by a tiny percentage of the fanbase, and even on here how many have seen "the dossier"?

It could be they thought the protests were the wrong strategy

It could be they thought the "Kean Out" message was the wrong tactic

And how many of the 14,000 at the matches "spewed bile"? Ten? 100?

Some still believe that we are a stable club as some have left and since leaving been an easy target to apportion blame

Yes Shebby Singh was a clown and should of been nowhere near running a football club ,

However in a number of interviews he's made it clear he did NOT negotiate contracts ,

Although the Shawites would have you believe otherwise

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11676/8629430/blackburn-global-adviser-shebby-singh-denies-involvement-in-contract-talks

And you know Shebby is truthful and "The Shawites" are liars because...?

[glen9mullan]

That's your interpretation of their motives.

It could be they didn't know any of the background stuff - this messageboard is only actively used by a tiny percentage of the fanbase, and even on here how many have seen "the dossier"?

It could be they thought the protests were the wrong strategy

It could be they thought the "Kean Out" message was the wrong tactic

And how many of the 14,000 at the matches "spewed bile"? Ten? 100?

And you know Shebby is truthful and "The Shawites" are liars because...?

Because it's been verfied by others, the signatures on contracts don't lie !!

Singh was NEVER a BRFC employee , he didn't even have the authority to put the bin out , let alone negotiate a contract .

Jeez could you imagine him sat across the table with a player negotiating contracts ? I think 99.9% would just walk out and wonder what he was smoking .

[Parsonblue]

Parsons , I cant understand why people didnt agree with protests. Anyone who didnt agree must now be extremly happy how its turning out ?

To be honest Abbey I didn't agree with the protests because I was happy with Kean and co. but because I felt a multi-national company on the other side of the world would take little or no notice of them. I didn't criticise those who protested because protest is a basic right if it is done peacefully. However, I was not convinced it was the right tactic at the time and still don't see what they achieved other than making those who took part feel they had done what they believed to be right. I don't have an issue with those protesting but just because the overwhelming majority didn't protest doesn't mean they were supportive of what was happening at the time.

[ABBEY]

and by doing nothing it meant Kean carried on into the next season as well.

[Stuart]

That's your interpretation of their motives.

It could be they didn't know any of the background stuff - this messageboard is only actively used by a tiny percentage of the fanbase, and even on here how many have seen "the dossier"?

It could be they thought the protests were the wrong strategy

It could be they thought the "Kean Out" message was the wrong tactic

And how many of the 14,000 at the matches "spewed bile"? Ten? 100?

So what did they offer instead? I guess half of them thought the best solution was to abandon the club. Kind of counter-productive.

And the rest?

Jack.

[Al]

To be honest Abbey I didn't agree with the protests because I was happy with Kean and co. but because I felt a multi-national company on the other side of the world would take little or no notice of them. I didn't criticise those who protested because protest is a basic right if it is done peacefully. However, I was not convinced it was the right tactic at the time and still don't see what they achieved other than making those who took part feel they had done what they believed to be right. I don't have an issue with those protesting but just because the overwhelming majority didn't protest doesn't mean they were supportive of what was happening at the time.

Supporting the establishment as usual. If the Burnley directors took over you'd say that was OK too. The original Rovers Fan.

[Parsonblue]

Supporting the establishment as usual. If the Burnley directors took over you'd say that was OK too. The original Rovers Fan.

The classic response when someone has a different viewpoint. Still if slinging insults makes you happy fair enough. Whatever makes you happy (clapper or otherwise)

[joey_big_nose]

I can see Gordon's point on this one.

Take any club in the football league, promote them to the Premier League, give them Premier League income, offer the cheapest season tickets in the country, and watch the crowds follow.

Hardly evidence of a sleeping giant. You'd have to say that Manchester City and Leeds, possibly Forest are the teams in recent times that have attracted foreign investment - these teams have large followings no matter what league they are in. Typical city clubs. They already have an advantage but FFP just stops any other clubs competing with them. Especially when they also get the lion's share of television revenue.

I think this gets to the nub of it. Even without debt and FFP we are probably only the tenth or so most attractive club outside the Premier League. Leeds, the two Sheffield sides, Boro, Forest, Fulham, QPR, Birmingham City, Charlton, Cardiff, Derby, Brighton, Reading, Wolves are all better bets from a growth perspective due to larger crowds and stronger ticket prices. Now the parachutes are gone, we are pretty unattractive all-round.

Whoever is going to take over from Venkys I will be surprised if its another overseas investor. It will be a local consortium more than likely. And they won't have any cash.

[thenodrog]

Of course there's a level of hypocrisy there. It surprises me that you so stubbornly refute it. End of the day, Prem League money or not, every ST not renewed over the past few years has put a dent on Venky's coffers, however tiny, they had to find your £400 elsewhere a few years ago Gordon and it was all added to the debt...

AT LEAST THERE WASN'T A LEVEL OF STUPIDITY WHICH WOULD HAVE SEEN SOME OF MY HARD EARNED NOW SITTING IN A BANK ACCOUNT IN THE TAX HAVEN OF BRUNEI. THINK ON THAT.

Any potential buyer would do their research on the club and would see what our supporter base was pre-Venky's. They'd also look at the catchment area so to speak. Of course very different to LUFC. It wouldn't take a genius at this imaginary conglomerate looking to buy us to see a correlation between Venky's and declining attendances, something they would surely see as an area that would improve once they are out of the club.

AND HOW WOULD ANY POTENTIAL BUYER VIEW THE FACT THAT THE FEW TICKETS THAT WE DO SELL NOW ARE ALL HEAVILY DISCOUNTED DO YOU THINK?

[mustard]

Of course there's a level of hypocrisy there. It surprises me that you so stubbornly refute it. End of the day, Prem League money or not, every ST not renewed over the past few years has put a dent on Venky's coffers, however tiny, they had to find your £400 elsewhere a few years ago Gordon and it was all added to the debt...

AT LEAST THERE WASN'T A LEVEL OF STUPIDITY WHICH WOULD HAVE SEEN SOME OF MY HARD EARNED NOW SITTING IN A BANK ACCOUNT IN THE TAX HAVEN OF BRUNEI. THINK ON THAT.

Any potential buyer would do their research on the club and would see what our supporter base was pre-Venky's. They'd also look at the catchment area so to speak. Of course very different to LUFC. It wouldn't take a genius at this imaginary conglomerate looking to buy us to see a correlation between Venky's and declining attendances, something they would surely see as an area that would improve once they are out of the club.

AND HOW WOULD ANY POTENTIAL BUYER VIEW THE FACT THAT THE FEW TICKETS THAT WE DO SELL NOW ARE ALL HEAVILY DISCOUNTED DO YOU THINK?

I was studying in China at the time so I didn't put my money in. So is everyone who did attend at the time stupid? Now isn't any different. The season ticket money is making diddly squat of a difference to the debt or to Venky's. Heavily discounted tickets, not to increase revenue but to try and get the numbers back up and make everything seem rosy at Ewood. The stayaways aren't ruining the club financially, we have Venky's to thank for that.

[Stuart]

To be honest Abbey I didn't agree with the protests because I was happy with Kean and co. but because I felt a multi-national company on the other side of the world would take little or no notice of them. I didn't criticise those who protested because protest is a basic right if it is done peacefully. However, I was not convinced it was the right tactic at the time and still don't see what they achieved other than making those who took part feel they had done what they believed to be right. I don't have an issue with those protesting but just because the overwhelming majority didn't protest doesn't mean they were supportive of what was happening at the time.

What was the right tactic?

[RevidgeBlue]

It's a difficult one Stuart. Imo the right thing to do is very much to carry on attending and protest from within (like Abbey for example) rather than boycott as a form of protest.

However concerted protesting against the manager and management whilst the match is on is only fine and dandy when the team is in a secure and stable position imo. If the team is struggling against relegation you have to put things to one side and get behind the team first and foremost.

All Imo of course.

[RevidgeBlue]

meouldyou rather venkys go now and try and salvage the club or venkys stay and then die completely ?

3) Venky's stay until they put us back into roughly the position they found us in at which point we might be a feasible proposition for other interested suitors.

Will that ever happen? Not the way they are shaping at the moment but I'm struggling to see what could be salvaged if they left tomorrow UNLESS they wrote off their portion of the debt and paid the external debt off as a gesture of goodwill on leaving.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Supporting the establishment as usual. If the Burnley directors took over you'd say that was OK too. The original Rovers Fan.

I am curious - in the years when City dropped like a stone through the leagues due to bad management - does that mean they had 20K+ Rovers Fans or 20k+ loyal fans ?

[Parsonblue]

What was the right tactic?

Ultimately, I don't think there was a right tactic. When multi-national companies get involved in football it's very difficult to have an impact on them locally. The Glazer's take little or no notice of the fans at Old Trafford, even when some set up their own club. Mike Ashley runs Newcastle how he wants irrespective of supporters. Does the guy at Leeds consider the fans? Many owners in football today seem to have different agendas from their supporters and pay little heed to what they may or may not want. At the moment, I agree with Rev, in that until something better comes along I really don't see an alternative to the present owners. It's easy to say that if we stick with Venkys the club will eventually fold, but nobody has said what the alternative is if they walk away tomorrow other than the belief that someone will come along and save us. And if they don't?

[ABBEY]

Parsons / rev how long are you prepared to let them rack up the millions of debt for our club ?