[Archived] Transfer Talk

[Athlete]

Indeed. However the fact remains that in the 18 months that he has been here Gestede has outscored Rhodes.

JR'S overall record his better Gordon He's consistent over the last 6 seasons at Rovers and Huddersfield.. Rudy 18 good months sulking for a move

[thenodrog]

How many of Burnley's team of 2013/14 would get into our 2000/1 promotion squad?

Good comment. Ings for sure but the rest I doubt.

By the same token neither Rhodes nor Gestede would have put Ings on the bench either. Is that a also a good comment Hasta?

[Stuart]

Good comment. Ings for sure but the rest I doubt.

By the same token neither Rhodes nor Gestede would have put Ings on the bench either. Is that a also a good comment Hasta?

Ings under Bowyer? Or Rhodes and Gestede under Dyche?

[thenodrog]

JR'S overall record his better Gordon He's consistent over the last 6 seasons at Rovers and Huddersfield.. Rudy 18 good months sulking for a move

There is a saying in football 'You are as good as your last game.'

[47er]

Wondering why he let 22 points slip from winning positions and why he persisted with Hanley. He can also reflect on a job well done but that he fell short when it mattered.

I'll ignore your 2nd line...a redundant comment.

But through all that you supported him and derided those who said he should be replaced. More than anyone on this MB!

No amount of spin can change the fact that you have made a sudden complete U-turn and are trying to hide it by pretending that you were only against those "who blamed Bowyer for everything" which, of course, nobody did!

Where were you when posters wanted experienced managers including the one you are now advocating(as quickly as possible apparently?!)

Anyway, enough criticism, welcome and pleased you've joined us!

[ABBEY]

you've done it now.

[blueboy3333]

But through all that you supported him and derided those who said he should be replaced. More than anyone on this MB!

No amount of spin can change the fact that you have made a sudden complete U-turn and are trying to hide it by pretending that you were only against those "who blamed Bowyer for everything" which, of course, nobody did!

Where were you when posters wanted experienced managers including the one you are now advocating(as quickly as possible apparently?!)

Anyway, enough criticism, welcome and pleased you've joined us!

You couldn't be more wrong. I never derided anyone, but i did defend myself from the half-wits on here that don't allow others an opinion that differs from theirs. I also pointed out that not every manager would automatically be an improvement on Bowyer if he was sacked.

I never once said Bowyer was infallible or irreplaceable, i just maintained he'd done a good job. I still maintain that, but the chance to replace him with someone like McCarthy, who has done better than Bowyer with less to work with and has got promoted from this division more than once, would be something that would seriously need looking at. Apart from Warburton i wouldn't want any of the managers that have been regularly touted on here. If the choice is Bowyer or any one from Freedman, Hill, Rosler, Mackay, Flitcroft etc etc then i'd be quite happy to stick with Bowyer next season.

Remind me again who these 'experienced managers' were that i didn't want here?

There are lots of you on here who never give Bowyer credit for anything. Plenty still don't.

Anyway, i've given you a longer answer than you deserve. You're one of the worst for not contributing anything to the football discussions, but just pop on every now and then to insult those that don't share your viewpoint. The fact you are now trying to come over all self-righteous is truly bizarre. I really haven't 'joined you' in anything. It isn't a school playground with opposing little gangs, it's an MB were people will have differing opinions. I truly would hate to be as petty-minded as you.

[Rover_Shaun]

I never derided anyone............. (1) I did defend myself from the half-wits on here..........(2) You're one of the worst for not contributing anything to the football discussions..............(3) I truly would hate to be as petty-minded as you.

Do you see what I did there, Eh Eh?

Does anyone think we'll target any defensive recruits?

[47er]

You couldn't be more wrong. I never derided anyone, but i did defend myself from the half-wits on here that don't allow others an opinion that differs from theirs. I also pointed out that not every manager would automatically be an improvement on Bowyer if he was sacked.

I never once said Bowyer was infallible or irreplaceable, i just maintained he'd done a good job. I still maintain that, but the chance to replace him with someone like McCarthy, who has done better than Bowyer with less to work with and has got promoted from this division more than once, would be something that would seriously need looking at. Apart from Warburton i wouldn't want any of the managers that have been regularly touted on here. If the choice is Bowyer or any one from Freedman, Hill, Rosler, Mackay, Flitcroft etc etc then i'd be quite happy to stick with Bowyer next season.

Remind me again who these 'experienced managers' were that i didn't want here?

There are lots of you on here who never give Bowyer credit for anything. Plenty still don't.

Anyway, i've given you a longer answer than you deserve. You're one of the worst for not contributing anything to the football discussions, but just pop on every now and then to insult those that don't share your viewpoint. The fact you are now trying to come over all self-righteous is truly bizarre. I really haven't 'joined you' in anything. It isn't a school playground with opposing little gangs, it's an MB were people will have differing opinions. I truly would hate to be as petty-minded as you.

You never derided anyone but you defended yourself from the halfwits........!!! Deluded.

[47er]

and the non-attender truth-benders from Suffolk and beyond see conspiracy and despair everywhere.

We're on the right track. Steady as she goes old bean. Join me in a toast of vintage rouge to the stabilisers.

Here's you not deriding anyone.

[47er]

careful, his rapier like wit will cut you to shreds. He also seems to be getting a bit tetchy now that his predictions of doom and gloom have once again been shot down in flames. Like someone said earlier, this will go on all summer.

And again. I'll stop now. Point made.

[K-Hod]

Please do, or get a room. This bickering is very tiresome. I don't give a shiny dung who started it, there's fault on all sides.

[Rover_Shaun]

Does anyone think we'll target any defensive recruits?

Or is midfield the priority?

I'd say both..........unless our striker options are reduced.

[K-Hod]

Does anyone think we'll target any defensive recruits?

Or is midfield the priority?

I'd say both..........unless our striker options are reduced.

Central midfield is the glaring issue, midfielders that move forwards, and pass in the same direction. We've got more crabs than a rock pool!

[thenodrog]

Does anyone think we'll target any defensive recruits?

Or is midfield the priority?

I'd say both..........unless our striker options are reduced.

'further' reduced. Pretty nailed on that strikers will be the target.

[Rover_Shaun]

I suppose the lack of strength in midfield does in turn put more pressure on the back line.

Then again when we had a better midfield it didn't stop Scott Dann coming 2nd to crosses too frequently.

The thing is where does the manager see the strengthening priorities being? Something tells me he hasn't got any inclination of targeting the midfield. After all Lowe's back

[K-Hod]

I suppose the lack of strength in midfield does in turn put more pressure on the back line.

Then again when we had a better midfield it didn't stop Scott Dann coming 2nd to crosses too frequently.

The thing is where does the manager see the strengthening priorities being? Something tells me he hasn't got any inclination of targeting the midfield. After all Lowe's back

Thing is though, if you look at all his midfield signings, they've all been wingers and the aforementioned crabs! No attacking midfielders with a bit of guile......

[onlyonejackwalker]

But through all that you supported him and derided those who said he should be replaced. More than anyone on this MB!

No amount of spin can change the fact that you have made a sudden complete U-turn and are trying to hide it by pretending that you were only against those "who blamed Bowyer for everything" which, of course, nobody did!

Where were you when posters wanted experienced managers including the one you are now advocating(as quickly as possible apparently?!)

Anyway, enough criticism, welcome and pleased you've joined us!

I thought I was having a senior moment when I saw the amusing about-turn. Bowyer went from unsackable to disgarded overnight and we didn't even play! Its a funny old game alright, but common sense normally comes to the fore.

Glenn Hoddle was quoted at 12-1 for the Rovers job the other day. I know the owner of Eastleigh and he tried to recruit Hoddle approximately 18 months ago but the wage demands were too high.

[BlooBoy]

Thing is though, if you look at all his midfield signings, they've all been wingers and the aforementioned crabs! No attacking midfielders with a bit of guile......

Correct.When was the last time we saw a midfielder actually got further forward than our front two ?

Even our so called wingers would get so far before cutting back on their selves giving teams ample time to re group.

Our midfield tries to hold and pass the ball...but simply cant do it. Every simple pass is going a lil further awry and we all watch muttering " we re going to lose it here we re going to ..f8ck!.."

If the balls in the opposition half then our back four will start to feel more confident. But when its being played sideways ten yards in front of them and you just know we re going to lose it no wonder they go to pieces ..

[chimbondapie]

Regarding jr and rudy ... Maybe neither want to be here however only one has made it clear he doesn't so if we are talking about a choice of one or the other it's a no brainier

[Commondore]

Ings under Bowyer? Or Rhodes and Gestede under Dyche?

Gestede before Bowyer: 132 games, 18 goals. Gestede under Bowyer: 66 games, 33 goals.

[tomphil]

I didn't know Bowyer was crossing all those balls for him, always thought it was Conway

[den]

I suppose the lack of strength in midfield does in turn put more pressure on the back line.

You "suppose" Shaun? Dead right it does, just as not being able to maintain possession anywhere on the pitch does - including the front men. There in lies the answer to those folk who don't understand how we can have two 20 goal a season strikers, yet struggle to win games.

I used to play centre half at an amateur level, but even there, if any of the guys in front of me didn't get involved in the game for the whole 90 minutes, it made the task of the back four very difficult. Put us under consistent pressure. Decent managers know that. Heck, everyone should know it. It should be obvious to everybody, but it's not.

Scoring a goal then watching the rest of the game from the half way line didn't help me and the back four one little bit.

[Amo]

You "suppose" Shaun? Dead right it does, just as not being able to maintain possession anywhere on the pitch does - including the front men. There in lies the answer to those folk who don't understand how we can have two 20 goal a season strikers, yet struggle to win games.

We'd bypass midfield under Sam and it worked a treat.

[onlyonejackwalker]

You "suppose" Shaun? Dead right it does, just as not being able to maintain possession anywhere on the pitch does - including the front men. There in lies the answer to those folk who don't understand how we can have two 20 goal a season strikers, yet struggle to win games.

I used to play centre half at an amateur level, but even there, if any of the guys in front of me didn't get involved in the game for the whole 90 minutes, it made the task of the back four very difficult. Put us under consistent pressure. Decent managers know that. Heck, everyone should know it. It should be obvious to everybody, but it's not.

Scoring a goal then watching the rest of the game from the half way line didn't help me and the back four one little bit.

Well said re: the bit in bold. All the talk is of the strikers.

Those who support Bowyer totally dismiss his pathetic defensive record, the confusion he fostered in goal, his insistance on playing Hanley, the lack of a quality right-back / dumping Baptiste out there, uncertainty at left-back, and lack of an automatic starter in defensive midfield. Many of our better performances came in the Cup, when ironically playing our second string and when our lilly livered players could be bothered trying their hardest in the spotlight! For nigh on two years we have conceeded almost as many as we score, glossed over as acceptable by those who claim he has done a really good job. My biggest gripe with Bowyer. We should not have to score three to win and until such time as we address our defence professionally we will plod around in mid-table losing just as many as we win.