[Archived] Transfer Talk

[47er]

Unfortunately its possible to love this Club to death.

Bowyer clearly isn't going anywhere, but neither will the season ticket sales.

Its going to get worse before it gets better, thats if it ever gets better at all.

Thats why I can't get enthused about transfers,I only see good players leaving and inferior ones arriving. And if good ones do arrive, Bowyer is incapable of making a promotion side out of them.

Embracing mediocrity,which is masquerading under the name of stability, is destroying this club.

[yoda]

Unfortunately its possible to love this Club to death.

Bowyer clearly isn't going anywhere, but neither will the season ticket sales.

Its going to get worse before it gets better, thats if it ever gets better at all.

Thats why I can't get enthused about transfers,I only see good players leaving and inferior ones arriving. And if good ones do arrive, Bowyer is incapable of making a promotion side out of them.

Embracing mediocrity,which is masquerading under the name of stability, is destroying this club.

couldn't agree more

[47er]

The club should really be doing everything in it's power NOW to get Mick McCarthy in and tell him that Rhodes and Gestede won't be sold for another 12 months and that promotion is a must.

So, just to be clear Blueboy, when you wrote the above a day or two ago, this did NOT mean you wanted Bowyer out?

I know KHod is going to tell me to get a room but if the MB is to survive at all, surely we must start from a common basis of what the English language means?

[blueboy3333]

So, just to be clear Blueboy, when you wrote the above a day or two ago, this did NOT mean you wanted Bowyer out?

I know KHod is going to tell me to get a room but if the MB is to survive at all, surely we must start from a common basis of what the English language means?

it meant i wanted McCarthy in, (or Warburton as i've mentioned a few times in the last few months if you'd paid attention). Besides those two being interested in the Rovers job wouldn't want Bowyer to go anywhere, certainly not in favour of the managerial flotsam that's been touted on here. The reason i said NOW was because it's 3 weeks to pre-season, which is a lot better than changing managers 2 months into the season.

If you weren't so quick to be a snidey cretin who's only interest is to score points then maybe you'd be able to make a few posts about the actual football. At least you don't chase Chaddy round the board as much as you used to. Well done you.

[chaddyrovers]

Rovers looking at Rudy Austin, Nicky Maynard and some PL loans

http://m.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/13324694.Gary_Bowyer__Blackburn_Rovers_will_look_at_Premier_League_loans___but_not_just_yet/?ref=rss

[Stuart]

Rovers looking at Rudy Austin, Nicky Maynard and some PL loans

http://m.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/13324694.Gary_Bowyer__Blackburn_Rovers_will_look_at_Premier_League_loans___but_not_just_yet/?ref=rss

Until the meeting with Venkys I don't see how we can plan anything.

[blueboy3333]

Rovers looking at Rudy Austin, Nicky Maynard and some PL loans

http://m.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/13324694.Gary_Bowyer__Blackburn_Rovers_will_look_at_Premier_League_loans___but_not_just_yet/?ref=rss

Nicky Maynard looked an excellent player when West Ham bought him. Injuries and loss of form have done for him since but could be the type of player we need to target, players with potential who have lost their way. Bowyers done a great job turning Rudy from a £200k player into a £7m one so hopefully he can do the same again with the likes of Maynard.

Rudy Austin is the kind of powerful driving force our midfield needs. Still think he'll want more than £10k pw though.

[K-Hod]

So, just to be clear Blueboy, when you wrote the above a day or two ago, this did NOT mean you wanted Bowyer out?

I know KHod is going to tell me to get a room but if the MB is to survive at all, surely we must start from a common basis of what the English language means?

Nope, I actually agree with that!

[47er]

it meant i wanted McCarthy in, (or Warburton as i've mentioned a few times in the last few months if you'd paid attention). Besides those two being interested in the Rovers job wouldn't want Bowyer to go anywhere, certainly not in favour of the managerial flotsam that's been touted on here. The reason i said NOW was because it's 3 weeks to pre-season, which is a lot better than changing managers 2 months into the season.

If you weren't so quick to be a snidey cretin who's only interest is to score points then maybe you'd be able to make a few posts about the actual football. At least you don't chase Chaddy round the board as much as you used to. Well done you.

Your first paragraph prevaricates around the bush and makes no sense. Sadly,you haven't the courage to acknowledge your astonishing U-turn about Bowyer and are seeking to distract by levelling malice at me.

"snidey cretin" eh? Thought you didn't do that sort of thing?

In any case it says much more about you than me.

Sorry everybody, especially KHod! I'll be avoiding this particular poster like the plague from now on.

[chris_h]

Your first paragraph prevaricates around the bush and makes no sense. Sadly,you haven't the courage to acknowledge your astonishing U-turn about Bowyer and are seeking to distract by levelling malice at me.

"snidey cretin" eh? Thought you didn't do that sort of thing?

In any case it says much more about you than me.

Sorry everybody, especially KHod! I'll be avoiding this particular poster like the plague from now on.

You should because you don't like the bickering on here ( so you say, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary)

[davulsukur]

Rudy Austin is the kind of powerful driving force our midfield needs. Still think he'll want more than £10k pw though.

Our central midfield definitely needs improving. Austin on a free would be a good move i think. Bit of a temper on him (as we've seen) but he does like to get stuck in, something we really need.

You might be right on the wages though.

[Rover_Shaun]

If Austin was any good why are Leeds letting him go?

Not that that necessarily means someone is no good, as a change is as good as a rest.

[K-Hod]

Austin is no different to the existing crabs we have in the squad, think a (slightly) younger Williamson.....

[davulsukur]

I've always been under the impression (mainly through speaking to Leeds fans) that Austin is more a of tough tackler/ball winner. None of our midfielder's are currently like that.

A good CM partner for Cairney? That's route i am currently thinking.

[cesus]

I've seen the £10k p/w figure scoffed at many times on here so to satisfy my curiosity I did a Google search to actually see what the average championship wage is. I found an article by Nick Harris (from November 2014) somebody who I have always found very reliable and his article states that the average championship wage is £9346.15 (£486,000 per annum). Playing Devils advocate also you could say Rhodes, Best, Orr, Robinson, Slew from our very own club would have lumped a few extra quid on that average!

I still don't think you need a team of "superstars" to get out of the championship, we have so far in our championship life paid players far too much and got nothing back (Rhodes an obvious but very expensive positive) maybe a team of good solid championship professionals who fall within our embargo amount may actually do a good job in the championship.

My big concern is we haven't moved our arses to tie up any of these released players who fall in our wage structure yet, no doubting we are hoping FFP gets wiped and we can give more cash to greedy agents and lazy players!

[J*B]

Don't mean to fan the flames. But i can see Blueboy's point. There has been a bit of a witch hunt towards those who vocally support Bowyer. Proven by posts about 'catching a live one'. Its a sad example of how anyone who chooses to show any positivity gets rounded upon. First it was Chaddy. The excuse was because he quoted Nixon and was condescending. Then its been Blueboy, Jbizzle, J*B etc.. the excuse was because they fought their corner and tried to see some light at the end of the tunnel. And in recent weeks its even been aimed at Parson. For the life of me i can't understand that one. Seemingly a life long supporter home and away. I know his levels of support pisses all over mine. Yet even that isn't enough. Equally there have been others who hold the opposing view who have been rounded upon. 47er, den, even ABBEY i suppose.

The big loser out of all of it has been the messageboard. Can someone tell me the last time we saw the likes of Reb, Bob Flemming, Rolo PB post on here? Crying shame if you ask me. About time people sorted this out. But i suspect there are too many ego's and too many people who have to have the last word. That said, I know i've been guilty of getting caught up in it. So i've got no right to preach. Guess you best disregard all the above. Lets av it!!

Not sure why i've been put together Chaddy, Blueboy and JBizzle, but lets make one thing clear - to use a slight adaption on a Glen Mullan quote:

I like Bowyer. He seems nice enough. I also like three wheeled side cars. But I wouldn't put my family in a three wheeled side car.

[K-Hod]

I think we had something similar before the board lost a load of data 'Blackburn End Bogs and post Forest handbags'

[K-Hod]

I've always been under the impression (mainly through speaking to Leeds fans) that Austin is more a of tough tackler/ball winner. None of our midfielder's are currently like that.

A good CM partner for Cairney? That's route i am currently thinking.

There's absolutely no pace in there though if that was who we did sign, that's the main issue for me.

I still maintain we are (or should be) crying out for some guile in the middle of the park, or just some purposeful forward running!

[davulsukur]

I don't disagree with you there K-Hod but with the classic FFP excuse, we are probably going to have to go with what we already have for the time being.

Cairney can at least get his foot on the ball and get some control of the midfield.

[Athlete]

I've seen the £10k p/w figure scoffed at many times on here so to satisfy my curiosity I did a Google search to actually see what the average championship wage is. I found an article by Nick Harris (from November 2014) somebody who I have always found very reliable and his article states that the average championship wage is £9346.15 (£486,000 per annum). Playing Devils advocate also you could say Rhodes, Best, Orr, Robinson, Slew from our very own club would have lumped a few extra quid on that average!

I still don't think you need a team of "superstars" to get out of the championship, we have so far in our championship life paid players far too much and got nothing back (Rhodes an obvious but very expensive positive) maybe a team of good solid championship professionals who fall within our embargo amount may actually do a good job in the championship.

My big concern is we haven't moved our arses to tie up any of these released players who fall in our wage structure yet, no doubting we are hoping FFP gets wiped and we can give more cash to greedy agents and lazy players!

Totally agree IMO a better man manager would of got extra out of what we already have and players on less wages I believe Ipswich too have a very small wage bill and have average players at best but managed to get in the play offs

[thenodrog]

Yes that is a fair comment. Ings and Gestede would be interesting together though. However the whole point renders the comparison of the current crop to the team of 2001 a bit pointless. You don't have to be man for man as good as that team to get promoted. There is a reason why the three teams promoted that year (rovers, Fulham and Bolton) stayed in the Premier league far longer than any other promoted trio. It was a vintage year for the championship. In many other years, Rovers would have won the league quite comfortably. However it's worth remembering Souness hadn't been there that long at the start of the season and Rovers didn't hit top gear till after we spanked Burnley in December (not sure we were even top 6 until then)

There have been many teams promoted since then with a far poorer team who went up because they bridged the skill deficiency gap with work ethic and tactical nouse. Were Burnley man for man better than we are when they went up? I'm not so convinced to be honest I just think they probably had a stronger central midfield which is the area that still hasn't been addressed since relegation.

We had 50% of that here! I couldn't believe it when GB rejected Jones. He went on a pre season tour with Burnley and the rest is history as they say.

[rickard]

http://www.teamtalk.com/news/2483/9880703/Diaby-and-Johnson-among-PL-free-agents

A few interesting names, had we not been under the embargo. As it stands now, I guess only Steven Reid would be willing to come here. And I'm not sure he'd be of much use nowadays (tbh, I have no idea how he did for B*****y this season)

Maybe Paul Gallagher as well.

[thenodrog]

Trippier is so far ahead of what Curtis was it's untrue

I've not seen enough of him tbh but I do rem Curtis was a big favourite of Rev Blue's way back.

[davulsukur]

http://www.teamtalk.com/news/2483/9880703/Diaby-and-Johnson-among-PL-free-agents

A few interesting names, had we not been under the embargo. As it stands now, I guess only Steven Reid would be willing to come here. And I'm not sure he'd be of much use nowadays (tbh, I have no idea how he did for B*****y this season)

Maybe Paul Gallagher as well.

He's retired

[thenodrog]

Until the meeting with Venkys I don't see how we can plan anything.

Does anyone believe that there is a possibility that the implications and ramifications of FFP might be lost on our club?

I'm pretty sure the venkys will have no understanding of the basic concept never mind the small print, GB might have some inklings but he is a football coach not a business lawyer, which leaves Derek Shaw who despite experience of selling shelves and running PNE for a time might (and I'm not criticising) just be out of his depth with it all. Have we used any consultants perhaps?