[Archived] Transfer Talk

[Stuart]

Maybe a tad unfair stu. If he goes to Watford , they get relegated but he still does the job he's paid for, it almost certainly determines he'll get another Pl gig the year after. Just look at Charlie Austin.

Not that it'd be any easier to stomach. Rudy is the one I really wanna keep hold of.

Edit. Sorry Sorry, I see its been mentioned already.

There are a heck of a lot more examples of players dropping out of the PL than there are those who get moves back there. I'm not convinced Gestede is a PL quality.

As for who I'd rather keep, and ignoring the alleged refusal to play, how can you want to keep someone who touts themselves in the media (I'm too good for Blackburn) over a model professional who keeps his head down?

[chaddyrovers]

Every day of the week - even when not scoring Gestede offers a threat - plus his wages are less.

I will readily admit that Rhodes has a goal scoring pedigree that Gestede currently can't match - but it doesn't make up for the fact that Rhodes can be at times totally anonymous in matches - whereas Gestede (even when not scoring) always creates a threat due to his size and physical presence.

I understand that totally and mostly I agree with.

Bowyer plays to Gestede's strengths more than Rhodes.

There are a heck of a lot more examples of players dropping out of the PL than there are those who get moves back there. I'm not convinced Gestede is a PL quality.

As for who I'd rather keep, and ignoring the alleged refusal to play, how can you want to keep someone who touts themselves in the media (I'm too good for Blackburn) over a model professional who keeps his head down?

Stuart, I think he was discuss his playing abilities and what he bring to the team.

I can understand your opinion about his comments and what he has said in the press was wrong and shouldn't have been said.

[Stuart]

Stuart, I think he was discuss his playing abilities and what he bring to the team.

I can understand your opinion about his comments and what he has said in the press was wrong and shouldn't have been said.

I know. But thanks for explaining it to me.

At this level attitude is probably more important than ability (everything else being equal). I've seen those games with a sulking Gestede ambling about at half pace.

[bluebruce]

And on that score Gestede wanting to move to Watford is much more defendable than, say, Rhodes coming to us which was more of a sideways move at the time (we were in the same division but paid an absolutely massive wage in this division to get him).

People in glass houses etc..

That was never a sideways move. We were only just in the same division - one season before we had been two leagues apart. Our infrastructure, history, club size, everything was geared to give us significant advantage over Huddersfield, and for many people we were promotion candidates instead of relegation candidates. It's the difference between signing for say, Tottenham or Everton last summer over Burnley. Even underperforming every season as we have (and with them perhaps overperforming), we have finished above them every single one, usually comfortably.

[joey_big_nose]

That was never a sideways move. We were only just in the same division - one season before we had been two leagues apart. Our infrastructure, history, club size, everything was geared to give us significant advantage over Huddersfield, and for many people we were promotion candidates instead of relegation candidates. It's the difference between signing for say, Tottenham or Everton last summer over Burnley. Even underperforming every season as we have (and with them perhaps overperforming), we have finished above them every single one, usually comfortably.

Not saying it was a sideways move, just it is more of a sideways move than Gestede going to Watford by virtue of us being in the same division.

Watford are a premeir league club now with 80 million quid in their sky rocket. For Gestede to go there and play regularly in the prem is a major move in his career. If we got promoted and they didnt we would expect all their squad to fancy a move to us - and you know what, they would.

Why? Yes because they will get paid at least triple what they get in the Championship, but also so they can play against the likes of Rooney, Hazard, Toure etc and be watched by millions across the globe.

The size of the club is not the big factor. It's what competitions you play in.

[mustard]

Every day of the week - even when not scoring Gestede offers a threat - plus his wages are less.

I will readily admit that Rhodes has a goal scoring pedigree that Gestede currently can't match - but it doesn't make up for the fact that Rhodes can be at times totally anonymous in matches - whereas Gestede (even when not scoring) always creates a threat due to his size and physical presence.

The only threat I can see from Rudy when he isn't scoring is those flick-ons to absolutely no one. I think Rudy LOOKS like he's doing more simply because he can get his noggin on some of those aimless hoofballs. I think the end result is no better, Rhodes assisted more goals than Rudy despite the hindrances, which is why I feel Bowyer really needs to make a change to possession football/a gameplan that involves the ball being played either on the floor or at least into the right areas. No one complained about Rhodes's absence last season or the season before, I think Bowyer's football this season has totally excluded and isolated him and yet he still bags 20 goals.

I think Rudy's work rate and positional sense/movement and overall intelligence is inferior to Rhodes, however he is much bigger and stronger. One thing I will say, Rhodes looks stronger this year but certainly slower. I have stated this before, but I am sure that the players have way too much focus on strength building and less on speed. Perhaps why they all look slower and more sluggish this season.

[Dunnfc]

Guarantee rudy is gone within a fortnight as an undisclosed fee

Let's be honest it's a good smokescreen... Get people suggesting we want more to ten having been offered six and make it look tough man rovers (good PR) when in reality they will offer another 500 k and it will be sold as undisclosed.

Need to stop undisclosed fees tbh

[Lhrover]

to be honest id sell one of either rhodes or gestede, but id make sure to get my moneys worth. Now I can't say I know much about the clubs books, but if selling one of them meant that we came out of the embargo in january then I would, and with the left over cash I would try to sign either adam le fondre (especially if rhodes goes) Garner, james wilson, andre gray or maybe even nahki wells

[LDRover]

A short term replacement for Gestede would be the big Austrian striker Janko. He's without a club at the moment and I wouldn't think wages would be particularly excessive.

[chaddyrovers]

Replacements for Gestede would be IMO:- Chris Wood, Sam Gallagher, Nicky Maynard(linked to Rovers by LT).

Rhodes, Brown, Maynard and Ameobi as potential strikers.

[Tom]

Has Ameobi been linked?

[adsfortheblues]

Has Ameobi been linked?

Yes Sammy Ameobi has but he's a winger

[chaddyrovers]

Has Ameobi been linked?

Yes Unleaded has we are interested in him

[JAL]

Replacements for Gestede would be IMO:- Chris Wood, Sam Gallagher, Nicky Maynard(linked to Rovers by LT).

Rhodes, Brown, Maynard and Ameobi as potential strikers.

Brown ?

[Mercer]

Replacements for Gestede would be IMO:- Chris Wood, Sam Gallagher, Nicky Maynard(linked to Rovers by LT).

Rhodes, Brown, Maynard and Ameobi as potential strikers.

How unexciting.

[TBTF]

How unexciting.

I know the FFP rules limit us to paying 10k a week in wages but we are still trading miles above our income and the reality is that we are more likely to see the bulk of our squad operating on £4k or £5k a week wages in the future .parachutes are all but done and we generate no income so I suggest we might all need to moderate our expectations

[Dunnfc]

Watford proved it last year that you need strikers who can replace each other like for like

So far Rhodes and gestede can changed with brown. I'd like us to snap up matt Derbyshire, boys a finisher

[Rover_Shaun]

I'd like us to snap up matt Derbyshire, boys a finisher

We are crap but surely we're not that desperate yet? What next........Paul Gallagher too?

[tomphil]

Watford proved it last year that you need strikers who can replace each other like for like

So far Rhodes and gestede can changed with brown. I'd like us to snap up matt Derbyshire, boys a finisher

Agreed. Can't believe Bowyer said we are not looking for any strikers unless one or both main men leave. Bloody ridiculous, we need a different option from the bench to compliment what we've got. Brown and Varney are just seriously watered down versions of Rhodes/Gestede and don't have a bleeding goal between them. Get's some trading done and get a small feisty striker who's at least scored a few in his time even if it's lower down. Give us a new dimension ffs !

We are crap but surely we're not that desperate yet? What next........Paul Gallagher too?

He comes on he can kill teams off it's what he's good at, something that's seriously missing at Ewood with the plodders we have coming on as subs. Not a poacher or target man but he's quick , hardworking and probably gettable.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Let the good times roll brothers!

[JAL]

I know the FFP rules limit us to paying 10k a week in wages but we are still trading miles above our income and the reality is that we are more likely to see the bulk of our squad operating on £4k or £5k a week wages in the future .parachutes are all but done and we generate no income so I suggest we might all need to moderate our expectations

Isn't the plan to invest top dollar to achieve the best results for promotion which in turn brings bigger crowds increased revenue and so on.

If not what's in it for the supporter.

[chaddyrovers]

Isn't the plan to invest top dollar to achieve the best results for promotion which in turn brings bigger crowds increased revenue and so on.

If not what's in it for the supporter.

But Jal, we can't buy good players due to embargo and we can't spend more than 10k on wages on free transfers or Loan.

[Rover_Shaun]

We didn't sign top players when we knew it was coming and promotion was the way out.

[thenodrog]

It's partly about money but its also about playing at a higher level. I don't see how you can deny that. You wouldnt see any of our players for the dust if a prem club offred the same terms as they get at Rovers and we were willing to let them go. Can you name a single player who has ever denied a move to the premiere league to play in the Championship...??

Jordan Rhodes last summer?

[thenodrog]

Bowyer plays to Gestede's strengths more than Rhodes.

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? Surely as Gestedes strength is his ability in the air then by playing to Gestede we are also playing to JR simply by having Rudy as a target man to knock balls down in the area?

Just as an aside what do you see as Rhodes strengths and how would you play to them?