[Archived] Transfer Talk

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Corrected for you Mike. As far as I am concerned they can do and say what they want in private.

Maybe I need counselling because I like sausages too... in particular those made by Farnsworth's in Whalley.

Not tried Farnsworths - Cowmans in Clitheroe for me

[windymiller7]

Welsh Dragon from Allens in Chorley!

[1arC]

Corrected for you Mike. As far as I am concerned they can do and say what they want in private.

Maybe I need counselling because I like sausages too... in particular those made by Farnsworth's in Whalley.

As a very good friend of mine used to say, the nickname for sausages is widows memories, although the Tunnicliffe situation, does put a diferent perspective on it.

[davulsukur]

The FL explains why Rovers are STILL under embargo whilst QPR can keep sending

http://m.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/13335832.Football_League_clarifies_why_Blackburn_Rovers_cannot_spend___but_QPR_can/

So from reading that, we cannot get out of the embargo this summer now, as we had to submit interim accounts on 1st March? And as we are still under an embargo, we must have failed again (no surprise)

The next chance we have is 1st December, which would allow us to sign players in January.

I dread to think how far off the required target we actually are. I'm guessing the interim accounts are not available to the public?

[Athlete]

So from reading that, we cannot get out of the embargo this summer now, as we had to submit interim accounts on 1st March? And as we are still under an embargo, we must have failed again (no surprise)

The next chance we have is 1st December, which would allow us to sign players in January.

I dread to think how far off the required target we actually are. I'm guessing the interim accounts are not available to the public?

Reading that makes it look like March 1st 2016 when we may have the slightest chance of satisfying the regulations.. Surely we should be looking at legal action against the FL

[OJRovers]

The embargo doesn't mean anything to Rovers anyway. Its a great excuse for underperforming from Bowyer and the club. If it were lifted today, Venkys aren't exactly going to go out and sign Gareth Bale.

We haven't got any money anyway. We weren't under an embargo last summer and we signed Brown!

[1arC]

The embargo doesn't mean anything to Rovers anyway. Its a great excuse for underperforming from Bowyer and the club. If it were lifted today, Venkys aren't exactly going to go out and sign Gareth Bale.

We haven't got any money anyway. We weren't under an embargo last summer and we signed Brown!

Or the season before and we signed Gestede. Being able to spend, no matter how small can make a difference!

[blueboy3333]

http://thetwounfortunates.com/the-financial-underbelly-blackburn-rovers/

http://thetwounfortunates.com/the-financial-underbelly-nottingham-forest/

Couple of decent articles on the events leading to the embargoes at Forest and Rovers.

[Gav]

If our owners had any ambition/interest in the club they'd find a way of bringing players in or sorting out the finances so we're not under the embargo.

Leaving it to that Preston salesman isn't going to cut it.

[onlyonejackwalker]

If our owners had any ambition/interest in the club they'd find a way of bringing players in or sorting out the finances so we're not under the embargo.

Leaving it to that Preston salesman isn't going to cut it.

Correct. He thinks FFP means Fanny From Preston. He's all for it apparently and is pleased Rovers qualify.

[tomphil]

Or the season before and we signed Gestede. Being able to spend, no matter how small can make a difference!

Bowyers done well when having a couple of hundred grand to spend but there were far far better out there on frees or loans than Varney and Brown. Some smart player trading outside of the 2 strikers could free up a few quid to reinvest and freshen things up. Takes astute bold management to do that though. Too much of a step out of the lovely comfort zone that's being created at Ewood for everyone.

[JBiz]

I honestly can't get my head round the discussions in this thread. It's seems that;

A) we are a joke because we aren't finding ways round FFP, using is at an excuse or the owners should get their chequebooks out.

And

we are millions in debt, we need to trim the wage bill and still add quality within the rules.

We can't have both. Mercer will remind us of the precipice that our finances are hanging onto. It's one of the only things we agree on, we have to get rid of that debt.

It could also be said that we need to get the prem money, but that is more difficult without legroom AKA - QPR and West ham who recently got promoted by buying players. Then there is Burnley and others who did it on the cheap. When we had the chance to do that, we blew 20+ million on Etuhu, Murphy, Rhodes, Best, Portugeezers and the rest.

Rhodes the only decent one of that spend and still cost far too much. The answer is surely something similar to what we have - small investments in younger players where we can (Steele, Gestede, Cairney, Duffy, Evans etc) and risk free others- like the Paul Taylor deal which could have been shrewd if he looked up to it in training and signed after his release on July 1st.

Whilst many knock Brown and Varney- they cost sod all and filled in when needed. Brown was nowhere near as bad as many are making out- it's just easy to knock him due to no goals. His assist rate per 90minutes will show a different side to his impact. He's also completely different to the other strikers - an old school style target man. I still think he is better foil for Rhodes. The Brighton home game was easily Browns worst performance, but against Wednesday away- he was effective.

Before posting, people should ask themselves these questions;

Should we spend more money? If you answered yes; What about the debt levels? What about future sanctions with FFP? What if the Raos call in debt?

If you answered no; If we look at GBs business as a whole, doesn't that fit what we need? Isn't replacing the whole staff again spending money? Is it guaranteed that we will get more out of the current crop?

[Rover_Shaun]

Brown

Goals = 0

Assist rate per 90 mins = 0

Guilty M'Lud

[JBiz]

I thought he had 4? Only started 2 games also.

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/8179/Show/Chris-Brown

This says 3

[Rover_Shaun]

Assist is such a contention with me. They can invariably be nothing like a setup. So many headed goals come from crap crosses were the striker has to do all the work. Dave Seaman once got one when his aimless clearance hit Henry and went in. Ditto a blind flick on where the recipent still has to beat 2 defenders and the keeper. Meaningless Americanism crap imo.

The 'assist' was even used to try to make Heskey anything other than a lumbering goalshy lummox

[frosty]

I thought he had 4? Only started 2 games also.

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/8179/Show/Chris-Brown

This says 3

Only started 2 games? It looks at least 10 from that link!

It should have only been 2 though, at the very most......

[BlooBoy]

Assist is such a contention with me. They can invariably be nothing like a setup. So many headed goals come from crap crosses were the striker has to do all the work. Dave Seaman once got one when his aimless clearance hit Henry and went in. Ditto a blind flick on where the recipent still has to beat 2 defenders and the keeper. Meaningless Americanism crap imo.

The 'assist' was even used to try to make Heskey anything other than a lumbering goalshy lummox

I think" key contribution" would be more telling than assist ..

[1arC]

I think Messrs Anderson and Kean had a key contribution to our demise!

[RevidgeBlue]

I honestly can't get my head round the discussions in this thread. It's seems that;

A) we are a joke because we aren't finding ways round FFP, using is at an excuse or the owners should get their chequebooks out.

And

we are millions in debt, we need to trim the wage bill and still add quality within the rules.

We can't have both. Mercer will remind us of the precipice that our finances are hanging onto. It's one of the only things we agree on, we have to get rid of that debt.

It could also be said that we need to get the prem money, but that is more difficult without legroom AKA - QPR and West ham who recently got promoted by buying players. Then there is Burnley and others who did it on the cheap. When we had the chance to do that, we blew 20+ million on Etuhu, Murphy, Rhodes, Best, Portugeezers and the rest.

Rhodes the only decent one of that spend and still cost far too much. The answer is surely something similar to what we have - small investments in younger players where we can (Steele, Gestede, Cairney, Duffy, Evans etc) and risk free others- like the Paul Taylor deal which could have been shrewd if he looked up to it in training and signed after his release on July 1st.

Whilst many knock Brown and Varney- they cost sod all and filled in when needed. Brown was nowhere near as bad as many are making out- it's just easy to knock him due to no goals. His assist rate per 90minutes will show a different side to his impact. He's also completely different to the other strikers - an old school style target man. I still think he is better foil for Rhodes. The Brighton home game was easily Browns worst performance, but against Wednesday away- he was effective.

Before posting, people should ask themselves these questions;

Should we spend more money? If you answered yes; What about the debt levels? What about future sanctions with FFP? What if the Raos call in debt?

If you answered no; If we look at GBs business as a whole, doesn't that fit what we need? Isn't replacing the whole staff again spending money? Is it guaranteed that we will get more out of the current crop?

As we're currently subject to an embargo, until the rules are relaxed and that is lifted we need a manager who can firstly bring through the youngsters and secondly get the best out of the players already on the books. GB proved himself woefully lacking in both respects last season imo.

[neophox]

Michael Laudrup available on a free.

[thenodrog]

I think Messrs Anderson and Kean had a key contribution to our demise!

You don't say.

[thenodrog]

http://thetwounfortunates.com/the-financial-underbelly-blackburn-rovers/

http://thetwounfortunates.com/the-financial-underbelly-nottingham-forest/

Couple of decent articles on the events leading to the embargoes at Forest and Rovers.

FFP is getting a bad name as time progresses and is unlikely to help any club with limited income, but is it only me that can see the actual intentions of FFP being good? Forest, BRFC, Bolton etc etc submerged in impossible debt right up to the gills for goodness only knows how many years to come providing all our sugar daddies don't just get fed up and ride off into the sunset. No matter how rich the owners are in football money will be spewed willy nilly and mostly at @#/? players and their greedy grabbing opportunist entourage of managers, agents, accountants and lawyers. Something had to be done and it isn't good for us but the madness has to stop somewhere before the game goes becomes totally unsustainable.

If our owners had any ambition/interest in the club they'd find a way of bringing players in or sorting out the finances so we're not under the embargo.

Leaving it to that Preston salesman isn't going to cut it.

Gav can you or any of the 'likers' actually start the ball rolling with a few workable suggestions?

[yoda]

FFP is getting a bad name as time progresses and is unlikely to help any club with limited income, but is it only me that can see the actual intentions of FFP being good? Forest, BRFC, Bolton etc etc submerged in impossible debt right up to the gills for goodness only knows how many years to come providing all our sugar daddies don't just get fed up and ride off into the sunset. No matter how rich the owners are in football money will be spewed willy nilly and mostly at @#/? players and their greedy grabbing opportunist entourage of managers, agents, accountants and lawyers. Something had to be done and it isn't good for us but the madness has to stop somewhere before the game goes becomes totally unsustainable.

Gav can you or any of the 'likers' actually start the ball rolling with a few workable suggestions?

I didn't click the like button but here goes,

Change the paper clip man for a chairman that has BRFC at heart and get GB some support, which means binning Myers

[thenodrog]

I honestly can't get my head round the discussions in this thread. It's seems that;

A) we are a joke because we aren't finding ways round FFP, using is at an excuse or the owners should get their chequebooks out.

And

we are millions in debt, we need to trim the wage bill and still add quality within the rules.

We can't have both. Mercer will remind us of the precipice that our finances are hanging onto. It's one of the only things we agree on, we have to get rid of that debt.

It could also be said that we need to get the prem money, but that is more difficult without legroom AKA - QPR and West ham who recently got promoted by buying players. Then there is Burnley and others who did it on the cheap. When we had the chance to do that, we blew 20+ million on Etuhu, Murphy, Rhodes, Best, Portugeezers and the rest.

Rhodes the only decent one of that spend and still cost far too much. The answer is surely something similar to what we have - small investments in younger players where we can (Steele, Gestede, Cairney, Duffy, Evans etc) and risk free others- like the Paul Taylor deal which could have been shrewd if he looked up to it in training and signed after his release on July 1st.

Whilst many knock Brown and Varney- they cost sod all and filled in when needed. Brown was nowhere near as bad as many are making out- it's just easy to knock him due to no goals. His assist rate per 90minutes will show a different side to his impact. He's also completely different to the other strikers - an old school style target man. I still think he is better foil for Rhodes. The Brighton home game was easily Browns worst performance, but against Wednesday away- he was effective.

Before posting, people should ask themselves these questions;

Should we spend more money? If you answered yes; What about the debt levels? What about future sanctions with FFP? What if the Raos call in debt?

If you answered no; If we look at GBs business as a whole, doesn't that fit what we need? Isn't replacing the whole staff again spending money? Is it guaranteed that we will get more out of the current crop?

Oi! Stop talking sense on here!

[thenodrog]

Brown

Goals = 0

Assist rate per 90 mins = 0

Guilty M'Lud

I thought he had 4? Only started 2 games also.

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/8179/Show/Chris-Brown

This says 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if31nF9UH0w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdS1-74QPP4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-js_wLTyemE