[Archived] Transfer Talk

[Gav]

When or if you've no money then it becomes absolutely critical that the players you sign can at least do their jobs unlike the non scoring duo of Varney and Brown.

Anyone supporting these two really shouldn't be anywhere near Blackburn Rovers football club.

Think bigger picture JAL, bigger picture

To not support players wearing the shirt, is to not support the club surely.

Appleton made Dann permanent captain before the amazing Millwall home FA Cup replay

Appleton obviously saw potential, Dann has been a major success since leaving here, one of a very few that have might I add.

[tomphil]

Appleton made Dann permanent captain before the amazing Millwall home FA Cup replay

Sure it said in the article that coco used making him club captain or something to help justify putting his wages back to Prem level. Either way the article was in the paper saying his wages went back up post relegation which is the point, my photographic memory rarely lets me down

[Rover_Shaun]

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/10280480.Why_Scott_Dann_replaced_Danny_Murphy_as_Blackburn_Rovers_captain/?ref=rss

[tomphil]

The original article seems to have been airbrushed from internet history. How very strange, not like anything like that has happened before concerning Steve Kean........

[Amo]

It's all rather contradictory as Gordon and Parson state how we'll be lucky to avoid relegation this season, particularly if Rhodes and Rudy leave. Doesn't that then imply that Bowyer has spent poorly when it comes to assembling a capable squad?

Strange, isn't it? Gordon & Parson spent the best part of last season selling us how Bowyer was the best man for the job. Now they'll consider Chumpionship survival a success.

[Stuart]

Strange, isn't it? Gordon & Parson spent the best part of last season selling us how Bowyer was the best man for the job. Now they'll consider Chumpionship survival a success.

I guess they would say the world changed with FFP. But that creates the contradictory notion that Venkys would spend on transfer fees when they can't seem to afford to mount a legal challenge to the embargo.

[thenodrog]

I am not doubting you by asking this, but how do you know that Anderson took the relegation clauses out of the players contracts? When you think about the impact FFP has, it should be a given, for every single club to have a reduction on wages, consistent with the drop in income occurs immediately on relegation. Without that, every relegated club, will be hit with an embargo.

There was no FFP then.

[Parsonblue]

I guess they would say the world changed with FFP. But that creates the contradictory notion that Venkys would spend on transfer fees when they can't seem to afford to mount a legal challenge to the embargo.

You're right Stuart, I believe FFP has changed things in a major way. I also agree that we ought to have challenged it ourselves unless we received legal opinion which deemed it a pointless and costly exercise. Without spending money - on fees and decent wages - it is difficult to see how any club under the terms of the embargo could hope to make serious improvements to the quality of the squad. Whoever was manager would have to deal with the same players and, if Gestede or Rhodes left, would be faced with replacing them without spending a penny. Personally, the way that FFP is rigged at the moment I would think mid-table would actually be a result at the end of the season.

[Amo]

I guess they would say the world changed with FFP. But that creates the contradictory notion that Venkys would spend on transfer fees when they can't seem to afford to mount a legal challenge to the embargo.

That makes no sense.

Last season was our last chance at promotion before FFP shafts us.

We spent five nanoseconds in the Top Six, never to return.

Bowyer was the right man for the job, though...

[Stuart]

You're right Stuart, I believe FFP has changed things in a major way. I also agree that we ought to have challenged it ourselves unless we received legal opinion which deemed it a pointless and costly exercise. Without spending money - on fees and decent wages - it is difficult to see how any club under the terms of the embargo could hope to make serious improvements to the quality of the squad. Whoever was manager would have to deal with the same players and, if Gestede or Rhodes left, would be faced with replacing them without spending a penny. Personally, the way that FFP is rigged at the moment I would think mid-table would actually be a result at the end of the season.

Sorry Parson, I would choose a McCarthy over a Bowyer every day of the week.

Right now, we need to keep and motivate the existing squad. An experienced, credible manager will do that. As far as I know there are no embargoes on signing the best manager we can, so we should do everything we can to do so.

Getting out of the embargo is meaningless if we have to spend half a season with a poorer, and therefore even less motivated, squad AND still remain under embargo. If selling Rhodes and Gestede meant that we could sign players immediately then I might feel differently.

I agree with your last statement though. Midtable will be an achievement. At this rate, avoiding relegation will soon become next benchmark - if it hadn't already - such is the pace of Operation Dumb Down.

And yet the club continue to mislead and divide the fanbase by mugging us off with Promotion Pledges. Oh, how they must laugh at us stupid fans untouchables.

If the Action Group are still operating they should be all over the league and FA about the morality of embargoes on two clubs whilst a third challenges the legality of the rules. If the rule is under challenge how can it morally be enforced on anyone? They do it to Rovers because Rovers let them.

The "Welcome To Ewood" sign should be subtitled "Wipe Your Feet On Us".

[rhodie]

Sorry Parson, I would choose a McCarthy over a Bowyer every day of the week.

Right now, we need to keep and motivate the existing squad. An experienced, credible manager will do that. As far as I know there are no embargoes on signing the best manager we can, so we should do everything we can to do so.

Getting out of the embargo is meaningless if we have to spend half a season with a poorer, and therefore even less motivated, squad AND still remain under embargo. If selling Rhodes and Gestede meant that we could sign players immediately then I might feel differently.

I agree with your last statement though. Midtable will be an achievement. At this rate, avoiding relegation will soon become next benchmark - if it hadn't already - such is the pace of Operation Dumb Down.

And yet the club continue to mislead and divide the fanbase by mugging us off with Promotion Pledges. Oh, how they must laugh at us stupid fans untouchables.

If the Action Group are still operating they should be all over the league and FA about the morality of embargoes on two clubs whilst a third challenges the legality of the rules. If the rule is under challenge how can it morally be enforced on anyone? They do it to Rovers because Rovers let them.

The "Welcome To Ewood" sign should be subtitled "Wipe Your Feet On Us".

Stuart, I agree wholeheartedly. For the first time since the Kean era I am feeling truly despondent about the future of the club. I believed there was a light at the end of the tunnel at the beginning of last season and truly thought we would at least make the play offs. Instead we have gone backwards.

We are about to lose our best players, our manager although a nice guy, has peaked as a middle of the table leader. We couldn`t get promoted with these players still with us, imagine what is going to happen when they do go. Our owners haven`t got the balls to stand up against or pay down the debt to get us out of FFP, whatever money we get for Rhodes or Gestede will be gone and we will still be hobbled by debt and unable to replace them. Our remaining decent players are going to want out when they realise their is no ambition at the club. We have got to face the likelihood of being soundly thrashed by the dingles...... The future is looking extremely bleak

[chaddyrovers]

You're right Stuart, I believe FFP has changed things in a major way. I also agree that we ought to have challenged it ourselves unless we received legal opinion which deemed it a pointless and costly exercise. Without spending money - on fees and decent wages - it is difficult to see how any club under the terms of the embargo could hope to make serious improvements to the quality of the squad. Whoever was manager would have to deal with the same players and, if Gestede or Rhodes left, would be faced with replacing them without spending a penny. Personally, the way that FFP is rigged at the moment I would think mid-table would actually be a result at the end of the season.

I said from day one that these FFP rules were crap from day one.

for me, the targets for the coming season will depend on whether we still have Rhodes and Gestede in the squad and if both have left the club then it depends who we have bought in as replacements.

[Stuart]

Stuart, I agree wholeheartedly. For the first time since the Kean era I am feeling truly despondent about the future of the club. I believed there was a light at the end of the tunnel at the beginning of last season and truly thought we would at least make the play offs. Instead we have gone backwards.

We are about to lose our best players, our manager although a nice guy, has peaked as a middle of the table leader. We couldn`t get promoted with these players still with us, imagine what is going to happen when they do go. Our owners haven`t got the balls to stand up against or pay down the debt to get us out of FFP, whatever money we get for Rhodes or Gestede will be gone and we will still be hobbled by debt and unable to replace them. Our remaining decent players are going to want out when they realise their is no ambition at the club. We have got to face the likelihood of being soundly thrashed by the dingles...... The future is looking extremely bleak

The problem isn't the debt as much as on-going losses - although they must be far lower than the accounts that got us into embargo. Aside from that I agree.

Worse still, even an embarrassing score line in defeat against Bumley at home wouldn't trouble Bowyer's status as manager.

For all the talk of Bowyer being big enough to walk away if he wasn't up to the task, the opposite has happened - the task is being taken to a level that is within his capabilities. That is, avoiding relegation. That said, with the squad he inherited and Rhodes' goals, avoiding relegation should have been the minimum any manager should have offered. I fear that with the squad we will soon have that won't be so easy.

[thenodrog]

That makes no sense.

Last season was our last chance at promotion before FFP shafts us.

We spent five nanoseconds in the Top Six, never to return.

Bowyer was the right man for the job, though...

Isn't hindsight wonderful.

[Stuart]

Isn't hindsight wonderful.

That's a joke, right?

You of all people should know better than to post that. I don't think you would have prior to the OBN do. Did they let you in on something not in the public domain?

[thenodrog]

Sorry Parson, I would choose a McCarthy over a Bowyer every day of the week.

But not the last day of the season eh? Especially when they so desperately needed the win. Truth is McCarthy has failed as often as he has succeeded. The question you really need to ask is would McCarthy choose us over Ipswich?

[Stuart]

But not the last day of the season eh? Especially when they so desperately needed the win. Truth is McCarthy has failed as often as he has succeeded. The question you really need to ask is would McCarthy choose us over Ipswich?

Gordon, we've already had this exact conversation. Look for the 'a' before each name.

You really aren't yourself at the moment.

[Gav]

That makes no sense.

Last season was our last chance at promotion before FFP shafts us.

We spent five nanoseconds in the Top Six, never to return.

Bowyer was the right man for the job, though...

You're talking like the fans had a choice either way, when we all know we didn't.

[Stuart]

That's a joke, right?

You of all people should know better than to post that. I don't think you would have prior to the OBN do. Did they let you in on something not in the public domain?

I see you liked this post, Gordon. I look forward to the explanatory PM...

[thenodrog]

Stuart, I agree wholeheartedly. For the first time since the Kean era I am feeling truly despondent about the future of the club. I believed there was a light at the end of the tunnel at the beginning of last season and truly thought we would at least make the play offs. Instead we have gone backwards.

We are about to lose our best players, our manager although a nice guy, has peaked as a middle of the table leader. We couldn`t get promoted with these players still with us, imagine what is going to happen when they do go. Our owners haven`t got the balls to stand up against or pay down the debt to get us out of FFP, whatever money we get for Rhodes or Gestede will be gone and we will still be hobbled by debt and unable to replace them. Our remaining decent players are going to want out when they realise their is no ambition at the club. We have got to face the likelihood of being soundly thrashed by the dingles...... The future is looking extremely bleak

Well done rhodie. To some of us the future was looking bleak approx 4 and a half years ago.

[Stuart]

Well done rhodie. To some of us the future was looking bleak approx 4 and a half years ago.

Isn't hindsight wonderful.

[thenodrog]

Gordon, we've already had this exact conversation. Look for the 'a' before each name.

You really aren't yourself at the moment.

So why use 'a Macarthy' why not name the person(s) you want here?

Isn't hindsight wonderful.

I believe I said so time and time again back then Stuart. So didn't you take any notice of me back then or did you get carried away with the rest of myopic fools gushingly welcoming the exciting new owners?

[Amo]

You're talking like the fans had a choice either way, when we all know we didn't.

Fans had no choice but to proclaim Bowyer lord and saviour?

But not the last day of the season eh? Especially when they so desperately needed the win. Truth is McCarthy has failed as often as he has succeeded. The question you really need to ask is would McCarthy choose us over Ipswich?

Am I missing something or didn't Ipswich qualify for the playoffs on the last day of the season?

[thenodrog]

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[chaddyrovers]

Stuart, McCarthy did a great job at Ipswich last season.

That squad wasn't great but performed consistly to get a top 6 finish.

I think Ipswich are cutting back on the budget again this summer but did reject a bid for Murphy from Boro recently tho.

But Bowyer/Rovers did take 4 points of them to be fair tho