[Archived] Transfer Talk

[Stuart]

So why use 'a Macarthy' why not name the person(s) you want here?

That's not my job. We have some very highly paid people at the club who should be on to that.

How did Brentford find Warburton; Watford, Dyche; Norwich, Alex Neil?

It always seems to come back to 'Bowyer is the best and only manager we can ever hope for'. With respect, it's defeatist nonsense.

Now sure, you'll say 'but they aren't "a McCarthy"', except I'm talking about someone with nouse. McCarthy, McLaren, and others have come back from the cold, having had some bad times but they have nouse. Something we need - wherever we can find it. We need to stop making excuses for the club to keep offering mediocrity.

It's about time there was some pride in our boardroom again, some ideas, some standing up for Rovers - against the owners if necessary, walking away if they won't listen - like Williams et al. People who actually care about the club more than their pay check.

The trouble is that, the longer we wait, the more people are joining the growing list of fans who are walking away. Becoming apathetic to the club because of the apathy emanating from it.

[thenodrog]

Fans had no choice but to proclaim Bowyer lord and saviour?

Am I missing something or didn't Ipswich qualify for the playoffs on the last day of the season?

They did indeed although you will again have missed their finest moment. It was out of their hands and by a huge fluke........ and then they got taught a lesson by their 'Burnley in the play offs. Prob better for them if Derby had won on the last day.

Why has this just come into my head?

[Stuart]

I believe I said so time and time again back then Stuart. So didn't you take any notice of me back then or did you get carried away with the rest of myopic fools gushingly welcoming the exciting new owners?

Don't take this the wrong way but I think you need a lie down. The irony of your posts, some five minutes apart is lost on you.

[tomphil]

End of the day McCarthy got an Ipswich squad into the play offs that probably had no right to be there on paper. The game v us they abandoned to some extent the tight robust tactics they usually employ in going for the win in a more open way, a bit alien to them. The pressure was on them, non at all on us. We also played a bit more open and creative as GB was forced to play Dunn for once.

They didn't prosper in the play offs because they came up against Norwich, the strongest most quality team in the division both on the pitch and in the finances. If they'd got their act together at the beginning of the season they could have walked the top spot.

As we are I'd nail money on McCarthy taking this squad to the play offs next season although admittedly it wouldn't be pretty. If we lost the front two we'd still be arguably as good as that Ipswich squad almost so he'd do better than Bowyer under those circumstances as well.

An experienced, robust and PROVEN manager, it's a no brainer.

[yoda]

They did indeed although you will again have missed their finest moment. It was out of their hands and by a huge fluke........ and then they got taught a lesson by their 'Burnley in the play offs. Prob better for them if Derby had won on the last day.

Why has this just come into my head?

Pity we ain't got any at Ewood anymore

[K-Hod]

This squad would undoubtedly have finished higher under Mccarthy.

[thenodrog]

That's not my job. We have some very highly paid people at the club who should be on to that.

How did Brentford find Warburton SACKED; Watford, Dyche SACKED; Norwich, Alex Neil? NOT SACKED

It always seems to come back to 'Bowyer is the best and only manager we can ever hope for'. With respect, it's defeatist nonsense.

Now sure, you'll say 'but they aren't "a McCarthy"', except I'm talking about someone with nouse. McCarthy FAILED, McLaren FAILED, and others have come back from the cold, having had some bad times but they have nouse. Something we need - wherever we can find it. We need to stop making excuses for the club to keep offering mediocrity.

[Stuart]

What are you talking about? I said 'find'.

But you are right Bowyer is better than all five of those - and every other manager I could mention.

Go to bed, Gordon. I am.

[thenodrog]

This squad would undoubtedly have finished higher under Mccarthy.

Pure conjecture. You need to put 'imo' in there somewhere.

Odd how Mick McCarthy has turned into the new Fergy on here! As I said earlier McCarthy is a decent manager and a proper footballing bloke BUT lest we forget he has been sacked time and again in his career for failure.

[Amo]

They did indeed although you will again have missed their finest moment. It was out of their hands and by a huge fluke........ and then they got taught a lesson by their 'Burnley in the play offs. Prob better for them if Derby had won on the last day.

Holy crap, you are fumbling.

[thenodrog]

Holy crap, you are fumbling.

So what do you think the reaction would have been around these parts if we'd been booted out of the play offs by Burnley?

btw Burnley are by far our biggest and most historical rivals and are just 10 miles from Blackburn along the M65.

btw 2 Blackburn is approx 25 miles north of Manchester.

btw 3 Manchester is 200 miles MW of Hampshire.

Hope that helps.

[Amo]

So what do you think the reaction would have been around these parts if we'd been booted out of the play offs by Burnley?

'Let's not finish in the playoffs, we might lose'

Don't all of Bowyer's team talks start this way?

btw Burnley are by far our biggest and most historical rivals and are just 10 miles from Blackburn along the M65.

btw 2 Blackburn is approx 25 miles north of Manchester.

btw 3 Manchester is 200 miles MW of Hampshire.

Hope that helps.

HA. See, it's funny because I'm a southerner. GET IT?

[martonrover]

Pure conjecture. You need to put 'imo' in there somewhere.

Odd how Mick McCarthy has turned into the new Fergy on here! As I said earlier McCarthy is a decent manager and a proper footballing bloke BUT lest we forget he has been sacked time and again in his career for failure.

McCarthy's failures and sackings have come in the Premier League.

He's proven at this level and is virtually guaranteed to manage a club into the promotion shake up.

[Gav]

Fans had no choice but to proclaim Bowyer lord and saviour?

Fans have no choice but to accept him as whatever you want. He's the manager, nothing we can do about it, bitching moaning and complaining isn't going to change that.

(The last bit isn't aimed at you personally Toppers)

McCarthy's failures and sackings have come in the Premier League.

He's proven at this level and is virtually guaranteed to manage a club into the promotion shake up.

Very much like Allardyce, you want them both as manager in this league but should sack them as soon as you get promoted.

Yes they may keep you up, but it'll be as exciting as watching paint dry.

[Athlete]

So what do you think the reaction would have been around these parts if we'd been booted out of the play offs by Burnley?

btw Burnley are by far our biggest and most historical rivals and are just 10 miles from Blackburn along the M65.

btw 2 Blackburn is approx 25 miles north of Manchester.

Blackburn is 31 miles north west of Manchester

Seems still nothing of note to speak about but hey the fixtures are out season tickets on sale and we're stable... 😁

[Blue blood]

So why use 'a Macarthy' why not name the person(s) you want here?

I believe I said so time and time again back then Stuart. So didn't you take any notice of me back then or did you get carried away with the rest of myopic fools gushingly welcoming the exciting new owners?

That's not my job. We have some very highly paid people at the club who should be on to that.

How did Brentford find Warburton SACKED; Watford, Dyche SACKED; Norwich, Alex Neil? NOT SACKED

It always seems to come back to 'Bowyer is the best and only manager we can ever hope for'. With respect, it's defeatist nonsense.

Now sure, you'll say 'but they aren't "a McCarthy"', except I'm talking about someone with nouse. McCarthy FAILED, McLaren FAILED, and others have come back from the cold, having had some bad times but they have nouse. Something we need - wherever we can find it. We need to stop making excuses for the club to keep offering mediocrity.

Pure conjecture. You need to put 'imo' in there somewhere.

Odd how Mick McCarthy has turned into the new Fergy on here! As I said earlier McCarthy is a decent manager and a proper footballing bloke BUT lest we forget he has been sacked time and again in his career for failure.

So what do you think the reaction would have been around these parts if we'd been booted out of the play offs by Burnley?

btw Burnley are by far our biggest and most historical rivals and are just 10 miles from Blackburn along the M65.

btw 2 Blackburn is approx 25 miles north of Manchester.

btw 3 Manchester is 200 miles MW of Hampshire.

Hope that helps.

Wow talk about digging yourself a hole! Keeping going when others have - very patiently - explained why you're mistaken on this.

Firstly McCarthy - think also you said Bowyer's better because we beat Ipswich on the final day. Does that make Kean better than Ferguson because we beat them at OT? Using one off results is a terrible way to justify managerial superiority.

As for McCarthy's failings - no manager is perfect. But his track record at this level is good. Indeed, what he's done with Ipswich is outstanding - their budget and team should be nowhere near top 6. That alone is pretty decent evidence he'd be a good pick for us, never mind the other promotions. Or do you only want a manager with a flawless record?

As for all your failed to the other managers mentioned I struggle to see how you came to that conclusion. Sacking and failure are not the same thing - in fact the reasons given in both cases were wanting their own man in (Dyke) and disagreeing on strategy for transfer targets (Warburton). How are either of those failures? In fact both seem to have done pretty well with the teams they've had. Just because they've been sacked doesn't make the point less valid - in fact their footballing record proves it was good to unearth them.

As for McLaren and McCarthy - think it's hard to call Ipswich a failure - unless you're counting all the teams that didn't get promoted a failure? And by definition that'd include Bowyer. But given his resources to call a top 6 finish for Ipswich a failure is laughable. McLaren - I'll give you that one - but even then let's remember they finished a fair way above us points wise.

As for let's not get into the playoffs in case we lose to Burnley and have a negative reaction - that's just plain ridiculous. Where do you want that to end. We should have got relegated to league 1 in case Burnley beat us in the league this season? Words fail me as to how stupid it is state we shouldn't aim for success in case we lose and there is a backlash. We might as well give up altogether then. Not to mention promotion is the only way out of the current mess, but let's not risk that unless we get upset if/when we get beaten.

And of course when that doesn't work you result to the jibes of where someone is from. Not sure that makes your points any more valid but if it makes you feel better.

[JBiz]

Funny how many can see GBs cons and Mick Mcarthys pros, yet still completely ignore what is still prevalent within the club. Idiotic decision makers. That's called seeing what you want to see, (to suit your opinion/agenda)

Oh and it's more obvious than ever that 50% of people with an axe to grind with GB, bought it the day we lost to Burnley. You may not admit it, but it seems obvious to me.

[Blue blood]

Funny how many can see GBs cons and Mick Mcarthys pros, yet still completely ignore what is still prevalent within the club. Idiotic decision makers. That's called seeing what you want to see, (to suit your opinion/agenda)

Oh and it's more obvious than ever that 50% of people with an axe to grind with GB, bought it the day we lost to Burnley. You may not admit it, but it seems obvious to me.

Not at all. The two are different issues.

Our owners are inept, useless and don't care one iota (don't think anyone can accuse me of giving them an easy time) and things will only be fully healed when they've gone.

But that doesn't make Bowyer any more of a good manager. A better manager wouldn't solve everything by a long stretch but it'd give us a better chance of success. Being honest Jbizzle do you really think Bowyer is better than McCarthy?

[JBiz]

Not at all. The two are different issues.

Our owners are inept, useless and don't care one iota (don't think anyone can accuse me of giving them an easy time) and things will only be fully healed when they've gone.

But that doesn't make Bowyer any more of a good manager. A better manager wouldn't solve everything by a long stretch but it'd give us a better chance of success. Being honest Jbizzle do you really think Bowyer is better than McCarthy?

That's not what I said is it. It's about propensity to improve via staff alteration. Until we start hiring the best for the job, we ain't getting Mick or Big Sam etc.

We are getting what we've already had.

[Blue blood]

That's not what I said is it. It's about propensity to improve via staff alteration. Until we start hiring the best for the job, we ain't getting Mick or Big Sam etc.

We are getting what we've already had.

Get you (I think!) - you're saying we won't get an experienced manager until we get better owners/upper management.

Agree that'd be a massive step in the right direction and dramatically improve the odds of us doing so. However, I still think:

- under the current regime with a better manager we'd improve

- even with the muppets we've got that there is a chance they could appoint a better manager than they are doing - either a quality unknown person or a more experienced (and desperate!) manager. Admittedly the chances of them doing so are slim, given their reluctance to favourites.

[K-Hod]

Pure conjecture. You need to put 'imo' in there somewhere.

Odd how Mick McCarthy has turned into the new Fergy on here! As I said earlier McCarthy is a decent manager and a proper footballing bloke BUT lest we forget he has been sacked time and again in his career for failure.

Not really, he's spent 3/5 of sod all on an inferior squad for the most part and has them better drilled and more hardworking. Conversely, how do you think GB would have done with Ipswich's squad?

It should surely be a given that any post on here is 'imo' shouldn't it?

[JBiz]

Not really, he's spent 3/5 of sod all on an inferior squad for the most part and has them better drilled and more hardworking. Conversely, how do you think GB would have done with Ipswich's squad?

It should surely be a given that any post on here is 'imo' shouldn't it?

Has MM had to half the wage budget in his time at Ipswich?

[gumboots]

Funny how many can see GBs cons and Mick Mcarthys pros, yet still completely ignore what is still prevalent within the club. Idiotic decision makers. That's called seeing what you want to see, (to suit your opinion/agenda)

Oh and it's more obvious than ever that 50% of people with an axe to grind with GB, bought it the day we lost to Burnley. You may not admit it, but it seems obvious to me.

Who mentioned losing to burnley? That certainly had nothing to do with my opinion on bowyer. Losing to teams you don't want to lose to happens all the time. Bowyers results are not good enough overall, not in a one off game but spread over the season that's just gone and the previous season. You can't change a whole team of players but you can change a manager. You might make things worse, but we weren't that far behind most teams in most games last season. If we could have seen games out, killed teams off, we could have been up there, and that is a managers job. We need someone who can manage our team to do that. We may find someone less capable than bowyer but we just might find someone better. A couple of percent improvement in performance across the team might be enough. Surely we have to try

[K-Hod]

Has MM had to half the wage budget in his time at Ipswich?

No, but he hasn't had the funds to bring in the players like GB has!

[chaddyrovers]

Has MM had to half the wage budget in his time at Ipswich?

He has cut backs since he started as manager there.

Plus this coming season are even more cut backs. That's why I surprised they turned down a bid from Boro for Murphy. I expect Mings to go this summer tho