[Archived] Transfer Talk

[thenodrog]

I'm beginning to hope that someone comes in for GB. I think his time has come as it did with Allardyce. Too many people have painted themselves into a corner over this in the absolutely gormless assumption that we can only get a better manager in.

In truth this thread could provide a suitable epitaph for quite a few on here. Although equally in truth too many of the Allardyce haters and those who threw out the red carpet in celebration welcoming first Paul Ince, then the Venkymob and then Kean are still here spewing their bile as if they are worlds greatest authorities on all things football.

Short memories abound and hard lessons don't appear to have been learned.

Which is exactly why last season was realistically our last chance at promotion but we spent all of it treading water.

Don't worry, though, one look at Parson's posts tells you that Venky's plan of downsizing the club and lowering expectations has been well and truly accomplished.

Amarillo you seem to expect much BUT do you ever have any financial input into the club?

[JHRover]

The concept of 'natural place' is a myth created by the clubs with bigger fanbases and the media to try and keep those with smaller crowds in their place. There is no such thing. Your place is the league position you occupy at the present time. What we were like in 1981 or 1972 means nothing in 2015. The gates argument I can understand but every year that ticks by numbers of people coming through the turnstiles becomes less important as external investment, sponsorship and tv money take control, as they have in the top flight.

That's why we can see smaller clubs than ourselves, like Swansea, Bournemouth, Palace and Watford, currently occupying Premier League positions.

If you want to believe that we 'belong' down the ladder fine, but modern history would suggest that we don't. Clubs move up and down and you belong where you finished last season.

In 1995 our natural place was the best team in the country, because that's what we were.

In 2007 our natural place was 6th in the Premier League.

In 2015 our natural place is 9th in the Championship.

[Rover_Shaun]

Nodrog: "Our natural place is undoubtedly where we were when Jack first stepped in and yo yoing between the 2nd and 3rd Divisions"

Did I really read that right?

Relegated twice to the 3rd tier in 140 years and when Jack took over the last time was 1979. 12 (TWELEVE) years before Jack got properly involved.

Are you sure your not a parody account Gordon?

[Athlete]

We are not 47er. But we are getting there. Our natural place is undoubtedly where we were when Jack first stepped in and yo yoing between the 2nd and 3rd Divisions. It's the level of football that the people of Blackburn elect albeit independently to support financially.

BRFC are the most successful town club of all time

[Amo]

Amarillo you seem to expect much BUT do you ever have any financial input into the club?

Sorry, but I don't rise to ad hominems. If you want to debate how Venky's (and their yes-men) have systematically dismantled the club, by all means do.

[Athlete]

Did I really read that right?

Relegated twice to the 3rd tier in 140 years and when Jack took over the last time was 1979. 12 (TWELEVE) years before Jack got properly involved.

Are you sure your not a parody account Gordon?

No he was probably on the golf course after 1979

[G Somerset Rover]

Comparisons between Allardyce and Gary Bowyer are a little off the mark Theno.

[The Rover of Finland]

Is Dean Rittenberg a no good?

[JHRover]

Only town club to have won the Premier League.

Only town club to have hosted Champions League football.

One of only five clubs to have won the Premier League.

Top 10 most successful clubs in England by number of trophies won.

Founder members of Football League and Premier League.

126 seasons in the League. 72 have been in the top division. 39 in the second division. 5 in the third division.

Yet some supporters believe we should be in the Third division. Very strange. More than half our history spent in the top league tends to suggest that is where we 'belong'.

[Mike E]

Only town club to have won the Premier League.

Only town club to have hosted Champions League football.

One of only five clubs to have won the Premier League.

Top 10 most successful clubs in England by number of trophies won.

Founder members of Football League and Premier League.

126 seasons in the League. 72 have been in the top division. 39 in the second division. 5 in the third division.

What about the other 10? War years?

Yet some supporters believe we should be in the Third division. Very strange. More than half our history spent in the top league tends to suggest that is where we 'belong'.

[matt83]

Only town club to have won the Premier League.

Only town club to have hosted Champions League football.

One of only five clubs to have won the Premier League.

Top 10 most successful clubs in England by number of trophies won.

Founder members of Football League and Premier League.

126 seasons in the League. 72 have been in the top division. 39 in the second division. 5 in the third division.

Yet some supporters believe we should be in the Third division. Very strange. More than half our history spent in the top league tends to suggest that is where we 'belong'.

Won a major trophy in 3 different centuries.

Longest undefeated in fa cup.

Loads of them.

Yeah it's preposterous to think anyone entertains any thought that our lowest level should be any less than this division. Division 3 was punching well below our weight.

[DE.]

Comparisons between Allardyce and Gary Bowyer are a little off the mark Theno.

Yeah, just a little

[thenodrog]

Did I really read that right?

Relegated twice to the 3rd tier in 140 years and when Jack took over the last time was 1979. 12 (TWELEVE) years before Jack got properly involved.

Are you sure your not a parody account Gordon?

Screw the 140 years. Through the 70's and early 80's we were yo yoing and damned lucky one year not to fall to the 4th! (btw we are the only club in Lancashire NOT to be relegated to the 4th Div in that era. Study footballs history and the background changes that took place which time and again have favoured the big clubs. Ever since in fact when the smaller clubs were torpedoed beneath the waterline by the abolishment of the max wage circa 1964. Next up was the directive that let home clubs keep the gate money in the 70's. Latterly freedom of Contact has loaded the dice even heavier against us and FFP has just written out epitaph.

BRFC are the most successful town club of all time

I know and so what. Most of that success was well over a century ago when cotton was King. Without Jack Walker we'd have won nothing in the last 20 years..... except maybe the Sherpa van trophy / possibly the Manx Cup and an odd promotion out of some lower league.

Either you are very young athlete or you have the memory of a goldfish.

Amarillo you seem to expect much BUT do you ever have any financial input into the club?

Sorry, but I don't rise to ad hominems. If you want to debate how Venky's (and their yes-men) have systematically dismantled the club, by all means do.

Only wondering because I don't believe that you do but you certainly appear to want an awful lot out of it.

[JHRover]

Take away what we did under Jack Walker, we'd have still spent the majority of our history in the top league and still be in the top 10-15 in terms of trophies.

Take away what United won under Ferguson. Where would they be? Take Abramovic from Chelsea where would they be?

People like to concentrate on the days of the 70s and 80s (which is understandable because the majority of supporters grew up supporting the club during this period) and ignore the period before and after that as though they were temporary blips in our history. The record books state that actually the bottom end second division and third division period was the blip. Normal service is actually the first division, if 'normal service' is something that exists in football.

[tomphil]

Is Dean Rittenberg a no good?

Not from what I've seen so far.

[Jock]

Hope this summer doesn't turn out to be as depressing as when Tony Ford turned us down. Average plodders knocking us back.

[mustard]

I'm beginning to hope that someone comes in for GB. I think his time has come as it did with Allardyce. Too many people have painted themselves into a corner over this in the absolutely gormless assumption that we can only get a better manager in.

In truth this thread could provide a suitable epitaph for quite a few on here. Although equally in truth too many of the Allardyce haters and those who threw out the red carpet in celebration welcoming first Paul Ince, then the Venkymob and then Kean are still here spewing their bile as if they are worlds greatest authorities on all things football.

Short memories abound and hard lessons don't appear to have been learned.

The hypocrisy and the contradictions in your posts are just alarming. You state how the boat has passed for us to appoint anyone else, you defend Bowyer yet readily accept he's not up to the task and yet think it's not worth at least trying appoint someone who might be able to bring the best out of the team and save us from the impending fall to the 3rd division that you profess will happen, and seem delighted with I might add.

Not to forget your criticisms of those who no longer attend, whilst defending your own decision to take a sabbatical from Rovers...

[Rover_Shaun]

thenodrog - "Through the 70's and early 80's we were yo yoing"

Are your golf scores revised as much as your poor memory on Rovers? Even a 4 year old's grasp of google would deem your version of history as suspect.

Whilst half of the 70's were spent in the third tier the two relegations were 4 years apart so this also can hardly considered yo-yoing and was, as I said, a full 12 years before the emergence of Jack Walker

Promoted back to Division 2 in 1980 and never ever went lower again. So no the 80's were not spent yo-yoing between the 2nd and 3rd division.

As with every passing reply your are also slightly revising your stance, to become more in line with "the facts presented to you so I will add your original and factually bereft quote for posterity

thenodrog: "Our natural place is undoubtedly where we were when Jack first stepped in and yo yoing between the 2nd and 3rd Divisions"

PS. You were also a decade out (close for you it seems) on the "home clubs keep gate receipts front" which occured in the 1980's.

[OJRovers]

£10k a week should still be able to attract decent players at this level in the Championship. That's still probably above average for players in the Championship, certainly if you exclude those that have been relegated from the PL.

I bet that all but maybe one or two of Bournemouth's players are paid less than £10k a week. You just need the right manager and club executive structure...etc etc etc it's not rocket science.

Any positive news? Links to Grant Hanley leaving?

[imy9]

Andy Wilkinson and Wilson Palacios on a free?

Palacios of a few years ago would certainly improve our team.

[Parsonblue]

You're stuck in the past Parson, still peddling the line that we are back in our natural place.

The fact is Jack Walker's legacy has been trashed, first by his Trust, then by Venkys.

Nothing natural about it.

Our natural place between 1936 and when Jack took over in 1991 was largely the Second Division. Last time I looked that's the division we are in now. Jack provided the foundations for a Premier League club and lifted us out of what had become our natural level and the Trust maintained it for a time. However, as John Williams always pointed out relegation would be a disaster which would be difficult to recover from and so it has proved. No club is immune from relegation although I suspect no club has thrown itself headlong into relegation in the same shoddy way in which the Rovers did.

[West Yorks Rover]

Exploiting the foreign market is essential. Generally speaking decent players from some of Europe's top divisions are affordable on lower wages than they are from English clubs. £10k a week is mega money for some European leagues.

I'm a big fan of having a predominantly British core to the team, which we have with Steele-Hanley-Kilgallon-Lowe-Evans-Cairney-Marshall-Conway-Rhodes, but bringing in foreign talent needs to be looked it. It is something we haven't done for some time (Gestede aside because he came from a British club).

£10k per week is also a pretty decent wage for the Championship, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that it was in fact, the average wage, hence why

FFP was set at that level.

Wasn't Paul Taylor Ipswich's top earner, on £10k ?

Sorry OJ hadn't seen your post.

[G Somerset Rover]

Andy Wilkinson and Wilson Palacios on a free?

Palacios of a few years ago would certainly improve our team.

Wilkinson would be good but Palacios is the type of player we need to avoid. Probably here for a final pay check and barely strung two games together in succession for the past couple of years.

[DE.]

Wasn't Paul Taylor Ipswich's top earner, on £10k ?

Yes. Signed by Paul Jewell I believe. Taylor's wage was a lasting legacy of the destruction Jewell briefly inflicted upon Ipswich whilst he was there.

[ada2020]

Andy Wilkinson and Wilson Palacios on a free?

Palacios of a few years ago would certainly improve our team.

I'm not entirely confident our manager is the man to inspire Palacios to find his form of a few years ago, when you consider 'arry and Mark Hughes couldn't manage it......