[Archived] Transfer Talk

[Athlete]

Our natural place between 1936 and when Jack took over in 1991 was largely the Second Division. Last time I looked that's the division we are in now. Jack provided the foundations for a Premier League club and lifted us out of what had become our natural level and the Trust maintained it for a time. However, as John Williams always pointed out relegation would be a disaster which would be difficult to recover from and so it has proved. No club is immune from relegation although I suspect no club has thrown itself headlong into relegation in the same shoddy way in which the Rovers did.

Rovers are England's 11th most successful club side last time I looked so is that not our natural level or thereabouts..

[G Somerset Rover]

Rovers are England's 11th most successful club side last time I looked so is that not our natural level or thereabouts..

The dumbing down has trickled down from Gaz to many of the fans it would seem.

[AllRoverAsia]

Rovers are England's 11th most successful club side last time I looked so is that not our natural level or thereabouts..

Very short and very accurate. Let's wait on the sadheads depressing reponses.

[No Nay Never]

Chaddy, we are probably talking a good 24-30 months before Lewis Mansell is ready for the first team, he is a good height and has a very good work rate. Needs to start finding the net regular for the 21s and for now is very much still a boy (physically).

[Stuart]

King gone, Gestede wanting out. I'd expect Rhoded to then leave.

We really REALLY need a decent signing or it's going to be a miserable Summer.

[1864roverite]

Chaddy, we are probably talking a good 24-30 months before Lewis Mansell is ready for the first team, he is a good height and has a very good work rate. Needs to start finding the net regular for the 21s and for now is very much still a boy (physically).

If he is good enough he will excel whatever age he is at. Good players can play

[den]

King gone, Gestede wanting out. I'd expect Rhoded to then leave.

We really REALLY need a decent signing or it's going to be a miserable Summer.

I doubt they'll let Rhodes go, if we sell Gestede - which seems a given.

[Parsonblue]

Rovers are England's 11th most successful club side last time I looked so is that not our natural level or thereabouts..

Five F.A. Cups and Two First Division League Championships were won before the First World War. One F.A. Cup, One League Cup, One Premier Title, the Full Members' Cup and the Third Division Championship have been won since 1915. Between 1936 and 1991, until Jack came along with his money, we spent the overwhelming majority of that time outside of the top flight. We have a proud history but it is history.

[Dunnfc]

Rhodes will stay.

Gestede for seven million i'd let go and replace with Sagbo.

It's not as if Rudy and Rhodes have been an amazing partnership is it?

One name for you.... Emmanuel Mayuka! Signed for Southampton a few years ago and flopped, was on loan at Sochaux in France last year but a very pacy athletic player just in the mould of Josh King. Apparently due to signing a five year contract they can't get rid of him and wont play him so perhaps a loan deal would replace the out gone King?

FOR EVERY GOAL WE WILL LOSE, WE NEED TO TIGHTEN UP BY ONE AT THE BACK.

Next Season:

Steele

McShane Duffy Kilgallon Olsson

Marshall Evans Cairney

Sagbo Rhodes Mayuka

[thenodrog]

Are your golf scores revised as much as your poor memory on Rovers? Even a 4 year old's grasp of google would deem your version of history as suspect.

Whilst half of the 70's were spent in the third tier the two relegations were 4 years apart so this also can hardly considered yo-yoing and was, as I said, a full 12 years before the emergence of Jack Walker

Promoted back to Division 2 in 1980 and never ever went lower again. So no the 80's were not spent yo-yoing between the 2nd and 3rd division.

As with every passing reply your are also slightly revising your stance, to become more in line with "the facts presented to you so I will add your original and factually bereft quote for posterity

PS. You were also a decade out (close for you it seems) on the "home clubs keep gate receipts front" which occured in the 1980's.

I'll accept that point. I couldn't be arsed to look it up tbh. Of massive significance to professional football though. The rest of your post displays defiance of the reality of the situation at BRFC. Not only are we expected to survive on a pittance given the cheap St's on offer and the pitifully low attendances now that the glory hunters have moved on BUT we somehow, someday will have one big @#/? off debt to service. An impossible position.

Beware Shaun it's the hope that kills although as you have given up going then I assume that you have already given up all hope.

Take away what we did under Jack Walker, we'd have still spent the majority of our history in the top league and still be in the top 10-15 in terms of trophies.

Take away what United won under Ferguson. Where would they be? Take Abramovic from Chelsea where would they be?

People like to concentrate on the days of the 70s and 80s (which is understandable because the majority of supporters grew up supporting the club during this period) and ignore the period before and after that as though they were temporary blips in our history. The record books state that actually the bottom end second division and third division period was the blip. Normal service is actually the first division, if 'normal service' is something that exists in football.

When the venkymob move out you can re-tell all that to the Bank Manager and see how impressed he will be with our history. Good luck.

Rovers are England's 11th most successful club side last time I looked so is that not our natural level or thereabouts..

Are we 11th in the Premier League? No ..... and the same answer for your gormless question.

Very short and very accurate. Let's wait on the sadheads depressing reponses.

So it's 'sadheads' v 'empty heads' is it? I know who my money is on.

King gone, Gestede wanting out. I'd expect Rhoded to then leave.

We really REALLY need a decent signing or it's going to be a miserable Summer.

Summer will be OK.... it's what comes next that will be miserable.

[Athlete]

Well were 11th when these clowns came along the same clowns who some people are now advocating...

As previously stated I'll take league two or lower if it means shut of these idiots..

[thenodrog]

It's not as if Rudy and Rhodes have been an amazing partnership is it?

Maybe not 'amazing' but when was the last time we had a strike partnership that scored 43 goals?

Well were 11th when these clowns came along the same clowns who some people are now advocating...

As previously stated I'll take league two or lower if it means shut of these idiots..

How about liquidation? The end? Finito benito BRFC? How does that suit?

[Athlete]

Summer will be OK.... it's what comes next that will be miserable.

Summer next year may not be.. With no parachute payments wonder if the clowns will still be around.. Hope not

Maybe not 'amazing' but when was the last time we had a strike partnership that scored 43 goals?

How about liquidation? The end? Finito benito BRFC? How does that suit?

How many clubs haven't survived or risen from the ashes...

[Mercer]

Some very good points made about £10k / week being a high enough wage to put a decent team together like Burnley, Bournemouth, Ipswich etc.

Sadly, Bowyer is lining up his excuses already. IMV, not only has this boring incompetent dumbed down our football structure, he clearly has a mesmeric impact on the likes of Parsonblue who would seem happy to accept midtable mediocrity.

I think It's unbelievable how far we've fallen under the crass mismanagement of Raos, Shaw and Bowyer.

[den]

Summer will be OK.... it's what comes next that will be miserable.

How many clubs haven't survived or risen from the ashes...

Ricky will tell you his local club for one........Hereford United.

Then Aldershot, Bradford Park Avenue, Burton, Chester City, Darlington, Maidstone United, Newport County, Scarborough, Wimbledon,

In some cases new clubs rose afterwards, but those original clubs folded and don't exist any more.

[Athlete]

How many clubs haven't survived or risen from the ashes...

Ricky will tell you his local club for one........Hereford United.

Then Aldershot, Bradford Park Avenue, Burton, Chester City, Darlington, Maidstone United, Newport County, Scarborough, Wimbledon,

All the above Scarborough apart have all risen from the ashes and I believe Hereford are starting again..

[den]

They're different clubs though. They aren't the original clubs that have "risen from the ashes". That didn't happen.

[Athlete]

They're different clubs though. They aren't the original clubs that have "risen from the ashes". That didn't happen.

I bet Wimbledon fans would totally disagree with you ...notice you never mentioned Rangers

No disrespect to fans of Chester etc but none of those mentioned are on Rovers level or ever have been

[Pitty]

I agree Bowyer can spot player, but if he can't play in right position or play team the right way, we may as well sign Micky Mouse as we are going nowhere as it stands which upsets me.

[Mercer]

Think fans need to get used to FFP and its impacts.

Next season, we get our last parachute payment and our 'natural' turnover would then be about £12million.

Beyond that, as a Championship club, radical action would then need to be taken as I would estimate that our annual loss would be in the £15m to £20m region and that is after slashing payroll costs by about £10m from its last reported cost of £35m - remember, Rovers employ about 270 people. Add to that running / maintenance costs of Brockhall and Ewood and you can see the scale of the task.

I struggle to see a way out for Rovers. Fasten your seatbelts.

[den]

I bet Wimbledon fans would totally disagree with you ...notice you never mentioned Rangers

No disrespect to fans of Chester etc but none of those mentioned are on Rovers level or ever have been

I think the point is that clubs do go bust. There seems to be a sense that liquidation won't happen, or that it doesn't spell the end. Well it does and has happened and it does spell the end. Nothing rises from liquidation. Different clubs might step into the void.

[chaddyrovers]

Will FFP stay in place? After QPR appeal. Who knows? UEFA have relaxed their rules.

These FL rules have always favoured owners who don't want to spend or invest in their club with their own money.

[Rover_Shaun]

I'll accept that point. I couldn't be arsed to look it up tbh. Of massive significance to professional football though. The rest of your post displays defiance of the reality of the situation at BRFC. Not only are we expected to survive on a pittance given the cheap St's on offer and the pitifully low attendances now that the glory hunters have moved on BUT we somehow, someday will have one big @#/? off debt to service. An impossible position.

Beware Shaun it's the hope that kills although as you have given up going then I assume that you have already given up all hope.

Yes we are currently sh.ite. But that wasn't your point. You said (before your revisionism kicked in again) that our place was frittering between tiers 2 and 3 of the pyramid "like before Jack came along" something that never ever happened other than 2 relegations to tier 3 in 5 years, a whole TWELVE YEARS BEFORE JACK. Prior to Jack we were the bridesmaids of the 2nd division. A far improved situation than our current one.

Yes the hope that we will be rid of venkys has gone. Just like when you lost hope and stopped going but hypocritically forget

[jim mk2]

The rest of your post displays defiance of the reality of the situation at BRFC. Not only are we expected to survive on a pittance given the cheap St's on offer and the pitifully low attendances now that the glory hunters have moved on BUT we somehow, someday will have one big @#/? off debt to service. An impossible position.

Debt can be wiped out by growth - as Gideon is finding out now after 5 years of austerity. Same with Rovers - returning to the Premier League and the financial bonanza it provides would transform Rovers' finances.

The trouble with you is you look back to the struggles of the 1970s and see that as the norm when Rovers have shown what can be done with good management and little spending before Venkys arrived and the likes of Swansea, Norwich, Southampton, West Brom etc have demonstrated that clubs of similar stauture can do well in the top flight.

It ain't all doom and gloom - even with a Tory govt.

[No Nay Never]

If he is good enough he will excel whatever age he is at. Good players can play

Yes that's my point, he hasn't really excelled as such at any level yet but is looking decent. Surely a better chance of excelling when he is physically developed and stronger, so he can compete with the rough and tumble of championship centre halves.