[Archived] Transfer Talk

[Waggy76]

The Fall and further Fall of Blackburn Rovers has one common denominator...

The Venkys until these imposters leave we will continue our descent at an alarming rate !

Go now I Say and let us have done with you , whilst there is still a remnant of a club..

In 5 years time the debt will have doubled or trebled and we will be in league 2....

VENKYS OUT !

[ABBEY]

As Derby have found this season, no club can guarantee promotion full stop. There is no manager - experienced or otherwise - who can ensure promotion. There can be no schedule because nobody can guarantee promotion full stop. Clearly that is a concept you have difficulty with. If was possible to find a manager who could guarantee promotion surely we wouldn't have spent a quarter of a century outside of the top flight between 1966 and 1992 - or were we 25 years behind schedule at that point?

but why continue with someone who is @#/? scared to go for promotion and is happy to languish . You can Venky it all you want and use your brainwashing propaganda all you want but the bottom line is fans are fed up and will stop away .

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

You're right about FFP making it difficult in the future Parson. That's why I argued from the beginning that we needed better than Bowyer.

However, you're wrong when you say some fans think we have a divine right to be a premier league club - noone has said that, or believes it. But some fans want it and what's wrong with that?

Arguing that no manager can guarantee promotion is right, because they can't. But some managers give you a better chance than others. You could have added that no manager can guarantee to keep you in the league, but I don't hear that - why not?

You seem to be pushing the line that everything's inevitable, - that there's nothing we can do about anything - and it's where we belong anyway. Was that your view when Kean was manager?

It feels like some are excepting our situation that has been totally self inflicted by the Rao's poor tenure.

A general lowering of expectations,apathy to our position and even a 'know our place' belief seems to be permeating on this board at the moment...it's bloody worrying to say the least!

A dangerous mindset for a club like ours,the only way is down if that is how you view matters...THAT IS INEVITABLE!

[ABBEY]

It's the old say it enough saying

[Mike E]

Put you in charge all you'd think about is the 18th hole

Know-nowt! Everyone knows golfers think about the 19th!

[JBiz]

but why continue with someone who is @#/? scared to go for promotion and is happy to languish . You can Venky it all you want and use your brainwashing propaganda all you want but the bottom line is fans are fed up and will stop away .

Good riddance. If your the type of fan who decides "I'm not watching my team unless they are top division" then it's no skin off my nose if you don't come.

There are a number of factors which come into play in terms of guaranteeing a successful side apart from who occupies the manager's office.

Your common sense is wasted on people here PB. It's beyond my understanding that people seem to think the only thing broken at Ewood is GB.

Alternatively, I can't stand this obsession and mentality that everything boils down to "*insert manager name here* OUT"

Wish they'd wake up a bit.

A general lowering of expectations,apathy to our position and even a 'know our place' belief seems to be permeating on this board at the moment...it's bloody worrying to say the least!

A dangerous mindset for a club like ours,the only way is down if that is how you view matters...THAT IS INEVITABLE!

I'd suggest that walking away from the club because it's "not got the best manager" is more of a dangerous mindset for the fans.

Especially when you consider the implications of FFP and every penny counts.

We know what Venkys have done, yet some of us chose to ignore their impact and point issues at a manager "who doesn't want to get promoted"!

[Mercer]

As Derby have found this season, no club can guarantee promotion full stop. There is no manager - experienced or otherwise - who can ensure promotion. There can be no schedule because nobody can guarantee promotion full stop. Clearly that is a concept you have difficulty with. If was possible to find a manager who could guarantee promotion surely we wouldn't have spent a quarter of a century outside of the top flight between 1966 and 1992 - or were we 25 years behind schedule at that point?

You fail to see that Rovers are in a vicious financial and operational spiral downwards.

It only needs Desai to wake up one morning with indigestion and Rovers are done for.

Promotion has been imperative for the last two seasons for financial reasons yet we've employed the likes of 'Gary' and 'Eric', as you love to refer to who, IMV, offer neither inspiration nor hope. As a business, you employ the best you can and Rovers have spectacularly failed in that direction, dumbing down calamitously.

Rovers are now going nowhere other than obscurity and we will continue to lose £15 to £20million a season unless the club is decimated (which would happen under administration). I do not think the Raos will go beyond next season (when parachute payments end). Our best option is administration, worst scenario is liquidation.

You will then have plenty of time to reflect on how wrong you were thinking everything is rosy in Gary's garden.

[JBiz]

Our best option is administration, worst scenario is liquidation.

You will then have plenty of time to reflect on how wrong you were thinking everything is rosy in Gary's garden.

Honestly pal give it a rest.

You've said the same thing for 4 years straight now with a different spin. Gordon will find the other posts.

We know the club is financially in dire straights, and we know why. Taken to the cleaners by criminals.

Therefore, that huge black hole will have repercussions. It's not -20m a season forever, it's got to come down below revenues.

If you honestly can post through a straight face, I applaud you.

Like you even say- the problems and ultimate outcomes are all down to mrs Desai... How can you blame people for wanting to give GB or Eric some credit?

It's mental. Like Person A sets a building on fire and your stood watching Person B struggle to put it out;

"Come on you fat @#/?, douse those flames, you moron, get a move on, you've @#/? it, what a @#/?"

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

You fail to see that Rovers are in a vicious financial and operational spiral downwards.

As a business, you employ the best you can and Rovers have spectacularly failed in that direction, dumbing down calamitously.

Rovers are now going nowhere other than obscurity and we will continue to lose £15 to £20million a season unless the club is decimated (which would happen under administration). I do not think the Raos will go beyond next season (when parachute payments end). Our best option is administration, worst scenario is liquidation.

Absolutely 100% Mercerman.

[ABBEY]

Good riddance. If your the type of fan who decides "I'm not watching my team unless they are top division" then it's no skin off my nose if you don't come.

go f yourself you patronising pillock.

Im the type of fan who has been since I was 3 years old in 1970. I have watched us in the 3rd division, i have lost girlfriends/wife and umpteen jobs watching rovers away, I was at Burnley away when we last lost there, i was there when we got promototed frommthe 3rd and 2nd divisions, i was there for our first ever game in europe, i was there for anfiled , i was at camberidge when it got called off because of fog or ice, i was there in the isle of man , i was there for champions league, i was on every protest including freezing my nads off on transfer day,...my lad is now following in my footsteps.

DONT YOU DARE WAVE THE "TOP FLIGHT FAN " ACCUSATION AT ME YOU ARROGENT IDIOT. ALLS I WANT IS VENKYS OUT YOU ARROGENT SO AND SO.

I AM NOT THE TYPE OF FAN WE NEED ? I AM EXACTLY THE TYPE OF FAN WE NEED!!!

NO SKIN OFF YOUR NOSE ? THATS A LOT OF SKIN BAZZA.

Honestly pal give it a rest.

You've said the same thing for 4 years straight now with a different spin. Gordon will find the other posts.

We know the club is financially in dire straights, and we know why. Taken to the cleaners by criminals.

Therefore, that huge black hole will have repercussions. It's not -20m a season forever, it's got to come down below revenues.

If you honestly can post through a straight face, I applaud you.

Like you even say- the problems and ultimate outcomes are all down to mrs Desai... How can you blame people for wanting to give GB or Eric some credit?

It's mental. Like Person A sets a building on fire and your stood watching Person B struggle to put it out;

"Come on you fat @#/?, douse those flames, you moron, get a move on, you've @#/? it, what a @#/?"

LOOKS LIKE YOU NEED TO WATER THE ALE DOWN ..HUNGOVER.COM OR IS IT JUST A DAY TO WIND THE BOARD UPAND GET A STIFFY ON?

[JBiz]

go f yourself you patronising pillock.

If this had been the last line, I may have read your post.

[Parsonblue]

but why continue with someone who is @#/? scared to go for promotion and is happy to languish . You can Venky it all you want and use your brainwashing propaganda all you want but the bottom line is fans are fed up and will stop away .

Well we won't miss the glory hunters will we? They've stopped away before and then crawled out of the woodwork when we got into the Premier League and no doubt they will again.

[ABBEY]

If this had been the last line, I may have read your post.

As opposed to your GOOD RiDDENCE

[Amo]

Your common sense is wasted on people here PB. It's beyond my understanding that people seem to think the only thing broken at Ewood is GB.

People like Abbey have made no secret of their desire for Venky's to leave. But then you turn around and tell him that they're a necessary evil for the club to survive. So when people call for Bowyer's head you argue that the manager isn't the root of the problem, the owners are. You're contradicting yourself.

[DE.]

Well we won't miss the glory hunters will we? They've stopped away before and then crawled out of the woodwork when we got into the Premier League and no doubt they will again.

Why would a genuine glory hunter in this day and age support Rovers? Why wouldn't they support United, City or Liverpool, who are all very close and will win far more than we ever will? The reasons for people not attending are far deeper than just wanting glory, no matter how often you attempt to paint it in that light.

[tomphil]

It seems like the 'minority' are out again today and we know the old saying about when they shout !

[Damien]

Can't see us signing Sagbo, Leon Clarke yes. Sagbo with a y added on the end just does not sound right. Clarky however fits the mould.

Surely Bowyer would call him Sagby! 😉

[47er]

Good riddance. If your the type of fan who decides "I'm not watching my team unless they are top division" then it's no skin off my nose if you don't come.

Your common sense is wasted on people here PB. It's beyond my understanding that people seem to think the only thing broken at Ewood is GB.

Alternatively, I can't stand this obsession and mentality that everything boils down to "*insert manager name here* OUT"

Wish they'd wake up a bit.

I'd suggest that walking away from the club because it's "not got the best manager" is more of a dangerous mindset for the fans.

Especially when you consider the implications of FFP and every penny counts.

We know what Venkys have done, yet some of us chose to ignore their impact and point issues at a manager "who doesn't want to get promoted"!

Never seen so many Strawmen in one post.

[Damien]

So I am just guessing here but there is no transfer gossip then?

[Parsonblue]

Why would a genuine glory hunter in this day and age support Rovers? Why wouldn't they support United, City or Liverpool, who are all very close and will win far more than we ever will? The reasons for people not attending are far deeper than just wanting glory, no matter how often you attempt to paint it in that light.

The bottom line is when clubs fall on hard times the hard core support stick with them and the fair weather fans don't. Nothing unique to the Rovers it happens at every club. When things pick up fans return. Again, nothing new in that its happened before and it will happen again.

You fail to see that Rovers are in a vicious financial and operational spiral downwards.

It only needs Desai to wake up one morning with indigestion and Rovers are done for.

Promotion has been imperative for the last two seasons for financial reasons yet we've employed the likes of 'Gary' and 'Eric', as you love to refer to who, IMV, offer neither inspiration nor hope. As a business, you employ the best you can and Rovers have spectacularly failed in that direction, dumbing down calamitously.

Rovers are now going nowhere other than obscurity and we will continue to lose £15 to £20million a season unless the club is decimated (which would happen under administration). I do not think the Raos will go beyond next season (when parachute payments end). Our best option is administration, worst scenario is liquidation.

You will then have plenty of time to reflect on how wrong you were thinking everything is rosy in Gary's garden.

We all know that the financial situation is serious. But gambling on promotion as the only way forward is clearly not a sensible solution. There are too many variables outside of your control which means no club can come up a with formula which guarantees promotion. I'm sure that when Wigan appointed Rosler and then Mackay they did so because they believed it would give them the best chance of promotion.

[USABlue]

Ricky will tell you his local club for one........Hereford United.

Then Aldershot, Bradford Park Avenue, Burton, Chester City, Darlington, Maidstone United, Newport County, Scarborough, Wimbledon,

All the above Scarborough apart have all risen from the ashes and I believe Hereford are starting again..

Way I see it if the chicken folks feel the need to pack it in we could disappear almost overnight

Put you in charge all you'd think about is the 18th hole

Your golf references are getting old.

[chaddyrovers]

So I am just guessing here but there is no transfer gossip then?

Alan Nixon has said that they will be some transfer news in tomorrow Sun Paper.

[USABlue]

A feature of Bowyer's 'management style' has been a failure to manage egos. The kind of arrogance that comes with natural ability is a necessary evil, not an opposing force to be eliminated. It's no surprise that Bowyer's Rovers have no flair about them. It's because Bowyer only wants humble grafters.

Labore et Labore. That sounds flippant, it's not. Bowyer has ignored what this club is fundamentally about because of his lack of man-management ability to harness, no harness is the wrong word, to enable the players that deliver the Arte.

Help me out Stuart, egoS.? Only one comes to mind and that's Best and I'm not sure he qualifies as good enough to have earned a right to an ego. Just a bad egg in my mind. Who else would have an ego to you?

[arbitro]

Well we won't miss the glory hunters will we? They've stopped away before and then crawled out of the woodwork when we got into the Premier League and no doubt they will again.

You might not miss them because it suits your argument when we all get a history lesson of how it used to be (and by the way most of us know, we don't need reminding, you weren't alone). But Blackburn Rovers need them and miss them and that is the most important thing. These people are customers and want some value for money. By and large have we been given that for nigh on five years now?

[USABlue]

Who has claimed to represent "the fans"? The only ones I can see claiming that are those demanding change because they can't cope with not being a Premier League club. I'm sure Derby thought McClaren would guarantee top six at least - he didn't. The fact that history doesn't support your viewpoint Stuart doesn't make it hollow. History is history - like it or not. There seems to be a view that the Rovers have a divine right to Premier League football. We don't. There were many excellent managers employed by the club between 1966 and 1991 who failed to deliver top flight football but that didn't make them bad managers. I don't think anyone viewed Marshall, Quigley, Furphy, Lee, Smith, Kendall, Saxton or Mackay as bad managers. Some were better than others, some had more success than others. We all want to see the Rovers back in the top flight, but some seem to think that changing the manager will guarantee that. The impact of FFP is going to make it extremely difficult for the Rovers to compete with many clubs in this division and that's before you consider the fact that the Rovers income streams are much smaller than many of the clubs we are trying to compete against. There are a number of factors which come into play in terms of guaranteeing a successful side apart from who occupies the manager's office.

Yeah we used to have a pretty good track record if selecting winners. Non established names who did very well. Jacks track record not so good as ol Billy Bancroft's I don't think. Btw I went out with his daughter a while. Why I stood her up outside the Golden Palms to go with my future fiance still befuddles me. I missed out there I think.