[Archived] Transfer Talk

[DE.]

The bottom line is when clubs fall on hard times the hard core support stick with them and the fair weather fans don't. Nothing unique to the Rovers it happens at every club. When things pick up fans return. Again, nothing new in that its happened before and it will happen again.

Yes, but there's a difference between labeling fans glory hunters and calling them fair weather fans. There's no glory to be had here, is there? Even if we do get into the PL the best we can hope for is a mid table finish.

Also, is it not true that the drop in attendance this time around is far greater than the last time we fell out of the PL? If so, surely other factors have to be considered beyond "they only want to see PL football, we're better off without their money and support".

[tomphil]

Alan Nixon has said that they will be some transfer news in tomorrow Sun Paper.

.......he's busy making it up today in time for the print deadline this eve

[Damien]

Alan Nixon has said that they will be some transfer news in tomorrow Sun Paper.

Thanks.

[ada2020]

.......he's busy making it up today in time for the print deadline this eve

With a whole day to think about it he ought to be able to concoct a truly magnificent story, perhaps on a par with our £50 million war chest we're still waiting on....

[Damien]

Just been on Twitter and realised nicko has blocked me!

I never said a bad word to him!

[tomphil]

With a whole day to think about it he ought to be able to concoct a truly magnificent story, perhaps on a par with our £50 million war chest we're still waiting on....

I think his main stumbling block now is the fact Derby & Boro blew it, Bolton are obviously skint and Wigan have gone. Just who can he link Jordan with now ?

Just been on Twitter and realised nicko has blocked me!

I never said a bad word to him!

Did the same to me ages ago, never had a crossed word but he's a watchin what gets said lol

[ABBEY]

Just been on Twitter and realised nicko has blocked me!

I never said a bad word to him!

Join the club ha ..I'm blocked on loads , Barton , Nicky , moose , colltymore and the best one of all ....

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[Damien]

I think his main stumbling block now is the fact Derby & Boro blew it, Bolton are obviously skint and Wigan have gone. Just who can he link Jordan with now ?

Did the same to me ages ago, never had a crossed word but he's a watchin what gets said lol

Ah so I am not alone!

But even though I haven't bad mouthed him he blocked me?!?

Charming! Haha oh well!

Just read on Twitter that Fulham are to bid £3.6m for Cairney!

@FLTLive: RUMOUR: Fulham are set to bid 3.6 mil for Tom Cairney of Blackburn Rovers and have also bid 2.8 mil for Brighton's Lewis Dunk.

[tomphil]

£3.6 mill ha ! Well folks silly season has well and truly started.

[Stuart]

Really? Well perennial favourites on here MacArthy and maclaren couldn't do that could they? But carry on perpetuating the myth and write to them both and see if they would even consider the basket case blackburn job. I doubt you'd even get a reply.

If you are going to use the league table as a prop then, first, check your facts and, second, use a bit of pragmatism. McCarthy took Ipswich into the play-offs. Do you think that he's still at Wolves? McLaren missed out by 1 point on the last day. I'd say that's a freak result. How close did Bowyer get? And with a superior squad to the one McCarthy had to work with.

It's not a myth that Boywer is a poor manager and that there are certain managers who will guarantee a proper play-off push or better. The myth - and it is a myth - is that we cannot do better than Bowyer. Well, unless you are a signed-up member of the OBN.

[Stuart]

Who has claimed to represent "the fans"? The only ones I can see claiming that are those demanding change because they can't cope with not being a Premier League club. I'm sure Derby thought McClaren would guarantee top six at least - he didn't. The fact that history doesn't support your viewpoint Stuart doesn't make it hollow. History is history - like it or not. There seems to be a view that the Rovers have a divine right to Premier League football. We don't. There were many excellent managers employed by the club between 1966 and 1991 who failed to deliver top flight football but that didn't make them bad managers. I don't think anyone viewed Marshall, Quigley, Furphy, Lee, Smith, Kendall, Saxton or Mackay as bad managers. Some were better than others, some had more success than others. We all want to see the Rovers back in the top flight, but some seem to think that changing the manager will guarantee that. The impact of FFP is going to make it extremely difficult for the Rovers to compete with many clubs in this division and that's before you consider the fact that the Rovers income streams are much smaller than many of the clubs we are trying to compete against. There are a number of factors which come into play in terms of guaranteeing a successful side apart from who occupies the manager's office.

So you don't deny being close to him. Fair enough but that does mean you are not objective.

You are right there are other factors but, as we have seen, you can have enough of the right tools in the shed but if you don't know how to use them you are going to end up with an untidy garden and plenty of weeds. How fitting that we allegedly sacked the groundsman and ended up with one of the worst lawns in the Championship.

[Stuart]

Help me out Stuart, egoS.? Only one comes to mind and that's Best and I'm not sure he qualifies as good enough to have earned a right to an ego. Just a bad egg in my mind. Who else would have an ego to you?

Rochina, Best, King(y), Judge, Dunn. To a lesser extent Marshall. I'll not scrape the barrel and include Goodwillie.

Anyone with an attacking ethos is curtailed or dropped.

[Amo]

Rochina, Best, King(y), Judge, Dunn. To a lesser extent Marshall. I'll not scrape the barrel and include Goodwillie.

Anyone with an attacking ethos is curtailed or dropped.

Marshall & Cairney?

[blueboy3333]

Alan Nixon has said that they will be some transfer news in tomorrow Sun Paper.

cheeres Chaddy. Let us know what it is, even if it ends up being garbage. Any news is welcome and at least something to talk about in the transfer thread.

[joey_big_nose]

Ah so I am not alone!

But even though I haven't bad mouthed him he blocked me?!?

Charming! Haha oh well!

Just read on Twitter that Fulham are to bid £3.6m for Cairney!

@FLTLive: RUMOUR: Fulham are set to bid 3.6 mil for Tom Cairney of Blackburn Rovers and have also bid 2.8 mil for Brighton's Lewis Dunk.

I could see clubs being interested in Cairney. Sort of player who other managers would look at and think they could get more out of.

3.6m however is crazy money and surely total balls.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Yeah we used to have a pretty good track record if selecting winners. Non established names who did very well. Jacks track record not so good as ol Billy Bancroft's I don't think. Btw I went out with his daughter a while. Why I stood her up outside the Golden Palms to go with my future fiance still befuddles me. I missed out there I think.

Is Bancroft still with us? I remember reading a few years ago on here he had been banned from the Jack Walker stand, which staggered me.

We all probably missed out if she was looking for a shoulder to cry on outside the Golden Palms.

[Parsonblue]

So you don't deny being close to him. Fair enough but that does mean you are not objective.

You are right there are other factors but, as we have seen, you can have enough of the right tools in the shed but if you don't know how to use them you are going to end up with an untidy garden and plenty of weeds. How fitting that we allegedly sacked the groundsman and ended up with one of the worst lawns in the Championship.

I have said on many occasions Stuart that I don't know him personally and have met him on a few odd occasions. But twist it how you want.

[RevidgeBlue]

The bottom line is when clubs fall on hard times the hard core support stick with them and the fair weather fans don't. Nothing unique to the Rovers it happens at every club. When things pick up fans return. Again, nothing new in that its happened before and it will happen again.

We all know that the financial situation is serious. But gambling on promotion as the only way forward is clearly not a sensible solution. There are too many variables outside of your control which means no club can come up a with formula which guarantees promotion. I'm sure that when Wigan appointed Rosler and then Mackay they did so because they believed it would give them the best chance of promotion.

Conversely, Norwich gambled on promotion when they switched Adams for Neil, Watford when Jokanovic replaced the previous incumbent, Boro when they appointed Karanka and improved dramatically, Warburton was appointed in place of Rosler at Brentford and did well. McClaren also inspired an immediate and quite marked improvement when he took over from Nigel Clough at Derby, even though the players bottled it in season 2.

It's a bit like the analogy someone used a while ago with the lawnmower for me. If you have a lawnmower that isn't working properly, do you hold off buying a new one on the fear that it may break down completely? Of course not. We are at the time of writing hamstrung by FFP and the choice of manager is the only thing we can actively influence. If the squad gets significantly weaker next season we might need a far better manager just to survive in the short term. Even if things don't turn out to be quite that bleak, GB clearly hasn't got anywhere near the best out of the squad and budget he has had at his disposal over the last 2 seasons imo and we need to try and find someone who can do that.

[Damien]

Conversely, Norwich gambled on promotion when they switched Adams for Neil, Watford when Jokanovic replaced the previous incumbent, Boro when they appointed Karanka and improved dramatically, Warburton was appointed in place of Rosler at Brentford and did well. McClaren also inspired an immediate and quite marked improvement when he took over from Nigel Clough at Derby, even though the players bottled it in season 2.

It's a bit like the analogy someone used a while ago with the lawnmower for me. If you have a lawnmower that isn't working properly, do you hold off buying a new one on the fear that it may break down completely? Of course not. We are at the time of writing hamstrung by FFP and the choice of manager is the only thing we can actively influence. If the squad gets significantly weaker next season we might need a far better manager just to survive in the short term. Even if things don't turn out to be quite that bleak, GB clearly hasn't got anywhere near the best out of the squad and budget he has had at his disposal over the last 2 seasons imo and we need to try and find someone who can do that.

Quite agree here, who would be able to improve our promotion chances though?

Realistically!

[chris_h]

All the above Scarborough apart have all risen from the ashes and I believe Hereford are starting again..

Way I see it if the chicken folks feel the need to pack it in we could disappear almost overnight

Your golf references are getting old.

Wait until you see the doozies he has for people who live overseas. Stunning stuff.

[RevidgeBlue]

Quite agree here, who would be able to improve our promotion chances though?

Realistically!

Is the fact that FFP might make things difficult a sufficient reason for sticking with GB though?

Surely if FFP sanctions bite to such an extent that promotion becomes out of the question with any manager, but nevertheless you think you'll stiil do substantially better all things being equal under Mr. X than with GB in charge you've got to make the change regardless?

[Ricky]

Way I see it if the chicken folks feel the need to pack it in we could disappear almost overnight

Your golf references are getting old.

Wait until you see the doozies he has for people who live overseas. Stunning stuff.

My local club Hereford are starting again but as Hereford FC with a motto of 'forever united'. It'll be a new club with a new logo and the stats pages will lose the history of the previous club. So they have risen again but as a new club. They are also in the West Midlands league and will need probably around 10 years to possibly get back to league status.

[Neal]

Conversely, Norwich gambled on promotion when they switched Adams for Neil, Watford when Jokanovic replaced the previous incumbent, Boro when they appointed Karanka and improved dramatically, Warburton was appointed in place of Rosler at Brentford and did well. McClaren also inspired an immediate and quite marked improvement when he took over from Nigel Clough at Derby, even though the players bottled it in season 2.

It's a bit like the analogy someone used a while ago with the lawnmower for me. If you have a lawnmower that isn't working properly, do you hold off buying a new one on the fear that it may break down completely? Of course not. We are at the time of writing hamstrung by FFP and the choice of manager is the only thing we can actively influence. If the squad gets significantly weaker next season we might need a far better manager just to survive in the short term. Even if things don't turn out to be quite that bleak, GB clearly hasn't got anywhere near the best out of the squad and budget he has had at his disposal over the last 2 seasons imo and we need to try and find someone who can do that.

Sense is a foreign language on here, its all been said before fella. Save your energy.

[chris_h]

Sense is a foreign language on here, its all been said before fella. Save your energy.

As somebody who has advocated GB Being replaced I'd ask what you, as a regular on this forum, mean by 'sense is a foreign language on here'? Surely you'd accept that the naysayers and doom mongers who critisise Bowyer hold sway over those who advocate moderation. You'd accept that the actual supporters of Bowyer are vastly out numbered. Wouldn't you? It does seem that this type of post is aimed at completely shutting down those that aren't on the side of doom, despondency and ' Bowyer out' no matter what.

Back on topic, if Fulham want to pay £3.6m for Cairney then somebody at Craven Cottage has number dyslexia and we need to snatch their hands off before their American owner cottons on.

[K-Hod]

A lot of good posts but as ever, people can't resist having pot shots. Sad really.