[Archived] Eric KInder appointed the new head of Rovers academy

[Gav]

Perhaps if Chaddy stopped the wind ups the rest of us would not need to reply to him.

No you haven't. It's still the same tedious defence of the undefensive.

Moved on.

[Parsonblue]

I take your point Parson but were the 2 Olsson's academy products or bought in from elsewhere? I thought it was the latter but I may be wrong. Similarly I think I'm right in saying Grant Hanley was a product of the Crewe Alexandra set up. Jones fair enough, he's the second real superstar to emerge through the ranks after Duff but overall I don't think the output from the Academy has been anywhere near good enough. At Championship level we should be capable of bringing through plenty of players to challenge for first team spots instead of wasting money signing garbage like Varney and Brown.

Both Olssons came into the Academy under Hughes. Martin was fast tracked through to the Reserves after a couple of games. Marcus was initially rejected and then returned and, again, was fast tracked through to the Reserves. Hanley played for the Under-18s, then the Reserves. A number of others have come through and played first team football before being allowed to leave - Johnson, Douglas, Peter, Judge, Doran, Hodge, Haworth, Marshall, Treacy, Nolan, Danns etc. One of the problems for the Academy during the Souness, Hughes and Allardyce years was that Premiership survival was of such importance that it was deemed preferable to go out and snap up relatively cheap foreign internationals and have them as squad players instead of untried youngsters - thus Bruno Berner was bought instead of promoting Andy Taylor who left and has had a long career in League football. The same thing happened with Joe Garner. With managers being sacked far more readily than say a decade or two ago, it's understandable why they would want experienced players like Varney and Brown over untried youngsters as back up. For example Brown came in at Sheffield and was excellent, made the goal for Rhodes and was - as the Sheffield manager admitted after the game - far too powerful for his defence to handle whereas a 17 or 18 year old would not have had that power.

[Baz]

Think you'll find Allardyces record of bringing youg players through was pretty good.

Jones, Hanley, Hoilett, Nzonzi all given their head under Sam.

[chaddyrovers]

Perhaps if Chaddy stopped the wind ups the rest of us would not need to reply to him.

No you haven't. It's still the same tedious defence of the undefensive.

what wind up's Al?

[TBTF]

Think you'll find Allardyces record of bringing youg players through was pretty good.

Jones, Hanley, Hoilett, Nzonzi all given their head under Sam.

we bought Nzonzi from france for £400k though

[ABBEY]

what wind up's Al?

I dont know, what does wind up Al?

a key?

lassy band?

[Baz]

we bought Nzonzi from france for £400k though

I am aware. Still brought him through from oblivion in to the first team though.

[DE.]

Premiership survival was of such importance that it was deemed preferable to go out and snap up relatively cheap foreign internationals and have them as squad players instead of untried youngsters

Quite right, too. As soon as Lowey, Hanley, Henley, Hoilett and Morris started coming in under Kean things went south very quickly. No slight on any of those players, but you should only be promoted to the first team if you're good enough, and evidently Hughes and Allardyce did not think our kids were up to the task when they were managing us.

[thenodrog]

Anybody considered that given the Rao's preference to promote coaches to Managers (Kean and Bowyer twice) who on here in GB's position want anybody of quality breathing down his neck?

[LDRover]

Anybody considered that given the Rao's preference to promote coaches to Managers (Kean and Bowyer twice) who on here in GB's position want anybody of quality breathing down his neck?

Agreed 'drog, but ,to be honest, I'm not sure it matters as long as you've got Mrs D's ear. Kean was never in danger from assistants like Black or Clement.

[speeeeeeedie]

Agreed 'drog, but ,to be honest, I'm not sure it matters as long as you've got Mrs D's ear. Kean was never in danger from assistants like Black or Clement.

You mean this Clement; http://www.itv.com/news/2015-03-06/itv-exclusive-paul-clement-says-real-madrid-can-retain-champions-league/

He wasn't here for long. Maybe the manager at the time wanted rid of him.

I have no idea who Kinder is, but he has a hard task. The way academies are set up these days category 1 will not matter. Good local talent will be hoovered up by the Manchester clubs. Rovers will also always get 2nd rate imports too.

[LDRover]

I've just been reliably informed that Kinder was best man at Gaz's wedding.

Not that I'm suggesting it had a bearing on this appointment...

[tomphil]

I've just been reliably informed that Kinder was best man at Gaz's wedding.

Not that I'm suggesting it had a bearing on this appointment...

..was Parson the chief usher ? :)

[AllRoverAsia]

I've just been reliably informed that Kinder was best man at Gaz's wedding.

Not that I'm suggesting it had a bearing on this appointment...

Doesn't Bowyer's Dad help out with a bit of scouting? Maybe his Missus can play Right-Back.

[Rover_Shaun]

Gaz's Mum at right back. Is she nice too?

I wonder if she'd walk away if she was not up to it? Hmmmmm

[Majiball]

Yes Kindery was Bowyery's besty many at hisy weddingy.

Below are the requirements for each category of academy within the EPPP:

Category 1 Academy - the optimum development environment for players in the youth system. Category 1 Academies will typically produce Premier League players and have the capacity to provide the optimum access to coaching in an elite environment in which the highest quality of coaching and development is provided. Formal entry into the Academy will begin with the Foundation Phase at U9

Category 2 Academy - the second tier of Academy which will typically produce professional players in the Football League and will produce Premier League players from time to time. Players will be entitled to a core programme which delivers a Coaching Programme moving from Part Time to Hybrid during the Youth Development phase of the Performance Pathway. Formal entry into the Academy will begin with the Foundation Phase at U9 Category 3 Academy - an entry level development environment for professional clubs that wish to maintain a Performance Pathway for players from U9.

Category 3 Academies will typically produce professional players in the Football League. Players will be entitled to a Part Time Training Model through the Academy until the Professional Development Phase. Formal entry into the Academy will begin with the Foundation Phase at U96 Category 4 Academy - a late development model where formal entry into the Academy will begin with the Professional Development Phase U17 to U21.

The Category 4 Academy will provide an intensive Full Time Training Model for players in this phase. It is anticipated that Category 4 Academies will produce late developing players for the Football League and from time to time, the Premier League.

So given our previous production of kiddies over the last 10 or so years which category are we really??? Cat 2 at best ergo this means we need to improve to maintain our status.

So we are category one, we must produce premier league players, so how many premier league players has Kinder produced so far to date? Surely if we are spending all this money on facilities for our academy we've gone for someone who has done so before? We are in the development stage of the EPPP all academies that tick the boxes will get category one status. however in the future if you don't produce players of the required standard, guess what?

Yet another no mark novice appointment, with neither the experience or background required for the role.

https://www.goalreports.com/EPLPlan.pdf

[yoda]

Yes Kindery was Bowyery's besty many at hisy weddingy.

Below are the requirements for each category of academy within the EPPP:

Category 1 Academy - the optimum development environment for players in the youth system. Category 1 Academies will typically produce Premier League players and have the capacity to provide the optimum access to coaching in an elite environment in which the highest quality of coaching and development is provided. Formal entry into the Academy will begin with the Foundation Phase at U9

Category 2 Academy - the second tier of Academy which will typically produce professional players in the Football League and will produce Premier League players from time to time. Players will be entitled to a core programme which delivers a Coaching Programme moving from Part Time to Hybrid during the Youth Development phase of the Performance Pathway. Formal entry into the Academy will begin with the Foundation Phase at U9 Category 3 Academy - an entry level development environment for professional clubs that wish to maintain a Performance Pathway for players from U9.

Category 3 Academies will typically produce professional players in the Football League. Players will be entitled to a Part Time Training Model through the Academy until the Professional Development Phase. Formal entry into the Academy will begin with the Foundation Phase at U96 Category 4 Academy - a late development model where formal entry into the Academy will begin with the Professional Development Phase U17 to U21.

The Category 4 Academy will provide an intensive Full Time Training Model for players in this phase. It is anticipated that Category 4 Academies will produce late developing players for the Football League and from time to time, the Premier League.

So given our previous production of kiddies over the last 10 or so years which category are we really??? Cat 2 at best ergo this means we need to improve to maintain our status.

So we are category one, we must produce premier league players, so how many premier league players has Kinder produced so far to date? Surely if we are spending all this money on facilities for our academy we've gone for someone who has done so before? We are in the development stage of the EPPP all academies that tick the boxes will get category one status. however in the future if you don't produce players of the required standard, guess what?

Yet another no mark novice appointment, with neither the experience or background required for the role.

https://www.goalreports.com/EPLPlan.pdf

Back wit a bang there Maj

[RevidgeBlue]

Good post majiball. I'm struggling to see how we fit the criteria for providing the "highest quality of coaching and development."

Presumably that should entail employing some of the world's top coaching talent at junior/academy level.

Looking at those criteria we've only been stumbling along at Category 3 level just recently and in recent years.

[Majiball]

Back wit a bang there Maj

it would appear that my account is no longer deleted as I had requested previously and as such I suppose I can post one or two comments.

I cannot wait for the cubicle-kiddies to start stalking my every post yet again with their unique brand of toilet humour.

[Parsonblue]

Good post majiball. I'm struggling to see how we fit the criteria for providing the "highest quality of coaching and development."

Presumably that should entail employing some of the world's top coaching talent at junior/academy level.

Looking at those criteria we've only been stumbling along at Category 3 level just recently and in recent yea

Clearly those who know what they are talking about and inspect academies before granting the various status levels believed that Rovers are a Category 1 status - end of story.

[Majiball]

Good post majiball. I'm struggling to see how we fit the criteria for providing the "highest quality of coaching and development."

Presumably that should entail employing some of the world's top coaching talent at junior/academy level.

Looking at those criteria we've only been stumbling along at Category 3 level just recently and in recent years.

It's a poor appointment Rev, he may have produced one or two for Carlisle but that's it and they sit where in the pyramid?

I see no point in having great facilities and yet poor support staff and Kinder when considering the requirements and his achievements is exactly that.

[yoda]

it would appear that my account is no longer deleted as I had requested previously and as such I suppose I can post one or two comments.

I cannot wait for the cubicle-kiddies to start stalking my every post yet again with their unique brand of toilet humour.

I bet they are already rounding up a posse

Clearly those who know what they are talking about and inspect academies before granting the various status levels believed that Rovers are a Category 1 status - end of story.

I hope they are better than school inspectors

[Stuart]

it would appear that my account is no longer deleted as I had requested previously and as such I suppose I can post one or two comments.

I cannot wait for the cubicle-kiddies to start stalking my every post yet again with their unique brand of toilet humour.

Good to have you back. Recently the site lost about 12 months of data. Gordon is back too.

[Majiball]

Clearly those who know what they are talking about and inspect academies before granting the various status levels believed that Rovers are a Category 1 status - end of story.

And over time they will be judged on players produced, read the article Parson and then ask yourself what are chances are of maintaining it?

PS there is a post for you guys over in the GB thread, i would have written it brail but alas I don't have the keys to do it, perhaps someone could read it out to you.

[tomphil]

Manager is best buddies with Academy boss so manager will fast track some to first team in his mix and match first teams. Hence it equals players produced. Maybe also a nice little bonus system written in for both for such productions, maybe even the chief shelf stacker. Happy days all around