[Archived] Eric KInder appointed the new head of Rovers academy

[Majiball]

Good to have you back. Recently the site lost about 12 months of data. Gordon is back too.

Thanks but it won't be for long.

[Mercer]

Yes Kindery was Bowyery's besty many at hisy weddingy.

Below are the requirements for each category of academy within the EPPP:

Category 1 Academy - the optimum development environment for players in the youth system. Category 1 Academies will typically produce Premier League players and have the capacity to provide the optimum access to coaching in an elite environment in which the highest quality of coaching and development is provided. Formal entry into the Academy will begin with the Foundation Phase at U9

Category 2 Academy - the second tier of Academy which will typically produce professional players in the Football League and will produce Premier League players from time to time. Players will be entitled to a core programme which delivers a Coaching Programme moving from Part Time to Hybrid during the Youth Development phase of the Performance Pathway. Formal entry into the Academy will begin with the Foundation Phase at U9 Category 3 Academy - an entry level development environment for professional clubs that wish to maintain a Performance Pathway for players from U9.

Category 3 Academies will typically produce professional players in the Football League. Players will be entitled to a Part Time Training Model through the Academy until the Professional Development Phase. Formal entry into the Academy will begin with the Foundation Phase at U96 Category 4 Academy - a late development model where formal entry into the Academy will begin with the Professional Development Phase U17 to U21.

The Category 4 Academy will provide an intensive Full Time Training Model for players in this phase. It is anticipated that Category 4 Academies will produce late developing players for the Football League and from time to time, the Premier League.

So given our previous production of kiddies over the last 10 or so years which category are we really??? Cat 2 at best ergo this means we need to improve to maintain our status.

So we are category one, we must produce premier league players, so how many premier league players has Kinder produced so far to date? Surely if we are spending all this money on facilities for our academy we've gone for someone who has done so before? We are in the development stage of the EPPP all academies that tick the boxes will get category one status. however in the future if you don't produce players of the required standard, guess what?

Yet another no mark novice appointment, with neither the experience or background required for the role.

https://www.goalreports.com/EPLPlan.pdf

Great post and bang on the money.

It's time a few stopped burying their heads in the sand and realised that Bowyer is taking us nowhere with his jobs for pals mentality and consequent dumbing down of the football side. Sadly, he yields an unhealthy influence over the lunes in Pune. These are my personal thoughts of course.

[yoda]

Great post and bang on the money.

It's time a few stopped burying their heads in the sand and realised that Bowyer is taking us nowhere with his jobs for pals mentality and consequent dumbing down of the football side. Sadly, he yields an unhealthy influence over the lunes in Pune. This is my personal opinion of course.

It's dangerous posting your personal opinion on here don't you know

[Gav]

Great post and bang on the money.

It's time a few stopped burying their heads in the sand and realised that Bowyer is taking us nowhere with his jobs for pals mentality and consequent dumbing down of the football side. Sadly, he yields an unhealthy influence over the lunes in Pune. These are my personal thoughts of course.

Come on Merc it shouldn't come as any surprise to you, it's the way things work at Ewood/Pune these days, nothing new here.

[Mercer]

Come on Merc it shouldn't come as any surprise to you, it's the way things work at Ewood/Pune these days, nothing new here.

Comes as no surprise Gav but the frustrating thing is that every decision being made seems to take our club at least one step backwards.

By the way, what you and your missus did for Tris is of great credit to you both. Hope you find similar kindness and goodwill when you move to the Midlands. Meant to post this the other day but the bloody site went down.

[LDRover]

At least Bowyer can rightly point out to getting the best man for the job.

[Mercer]

At least Bowyer can rightly point out to getting the best man for the job.

Love it - sadly, might go over the head of some.

[blueboy3333]

Yes Kindery was Bowyery's besty many at hisy weddingy.

Yet another no mark novice appointment, with neither the experience or background required for the role.

https://www.goalreports.com/EPLPlan.pdf

Which makes it all the more surprising that Bowyer still hasn't given you a job. Or maybe you're just bitter...

[blueboy3333]

it would appear that my account is no longer deleted as I had requested previously and as such I suppose I can post one or two comments.

I cannot wait for the cubicle-kiddies to start stalking my every post yet again with their unique brand of toilet humour.

then man who posted graphic pornography on a forum read by lads and lasses of all ages is taking the moral high ground. Your mates are happy to see you back though. That's probably a reflection on them though...

Laters pervert.

[Mike E]

When did Maj ever put porn on here? I never saw it, nor is there any evidence. Jus' sayin'..........

[DE.]

A lot of issues there Mike, probably best to leave well enough alone on that one. Suffice to say Maj's offending posts are not the whole story.

[blueboy3333]

When did Maj ever put porn on here? I never saw it, nor is there any evidence. Jus' sayin'..........

i saw it, it was aimed at me and a couple of others. It only got removed because it got reported to the mods. Why do you think he's banned, hopefully for life, when others have been allowed back? He has other monikers too allegedly, and he uses them to send abusive PM's, or so i've been told by another member on here. I got one and i look forward to meeting him one day so he can say it to my face.

A lot of issues there Mike, probably best to leave well enough alone on that one. Suffice to say Maj's offending posts are not the whole story.

they're the only story, but please enlighten us to the issues you mention?

[Stuart]

A lot of issues there Mike, probably best to leave well enough alone on that one. Suffice to say Maj's offending posts are not the whole story.

Indeed. Meanwhile the person who caused it continues to post...

[DE.]

Not getting involved. Just advising Mike it might be best to leave the subject alone.

[yoda]

i saw it, it was aimed at me and a couple of others. It only got removed because it got reported to the mods. Why do you think he's banned, hopefully for life, when others have been allowed back? He has other monikers too allegedly, and he uses them to send abusive PM's, or so i've been told by another member on here. I got one and i look forward to meeting him one day so he can say it to my face.

they're the only story, but please enlighten us to the issues you mention?

DE is correct in what he has said

[blueboy3333]

Indeed. Meanwhile the person who caused it continues to post...

talking out of your arris as usual, but then you were quick to defend him when he posted his filth so no surprise there.

DE is correct in what he has said

crack on then, spill the beans, but make sure you're factual.

and don't forget to condemn your porno-peddling mate in the process...in the interests of fairness and all that.

[Mike E]

I'll leave it be after this post:

The mb is poorer without Maj's contribution imo. He's always answered my Qs and debated with me in a civil manner, which is all I can go off tbh.

Amongst my very favourite posters on here in my mere 6 years (Christ, that long?)

[Tris]

I’m afraid that I don’t share the love for Majiball that some others have expressed here.

Back in the good old days, I did actually meet up with him at Leigh, and we watched a reserve match together. I can’t even remember who against – it may have been Everton – I do remember that Rovers centre backs were Jones and Hanley, and it was great to witness and discuss that sort of talent in our youth ranks with someone who did know his stuff. He also talked with great enthusiasm about work he was doing at LJMU on player fitness and sports science. He wanted people to hear about it.

I had a good relationship with Tom Finn and John Williams at the time, and that enabled me to get Majiball a 1-on-1 meeting with Tom Finn. That was a first platform at this level for him to speak about his sports science stuff with someone who could make things happen. That meeting with Tom Finn got Mball unique access to Brockhall and the chance to take his stuff to the Rovers coaching staff at the time.

I never really heard back why that opportunity wasn’t the start of a beautiful long term relationship. Perhaps Mball didn’t sell himself as well to the experts down at Brockhall as he did to me in the stands at Leigh, or to Tom Finn in his office at Ewood Park. Or perhaps he isn’t quite as good as he thinks he is. He’s said on this MB he’s moved his skills from football to boxing – perhaps they understand him better in that sport.

The 2014 World Cup didn’t have much going for it for any Rovers (or England) fans. So you’d think that Mball would be full of admiration for BRFC’s Chris Neville ... being a part of Roy Hodgson’s England backroom team – being a fellow Rovers fan, sports scientist and everything. But no, this MB got repeated bitterness that someone with a lower degree qualification had got the England gig, never mind a job at Brockhall.

The images of mutilated bodies and graphic porn which he posted last summer (in order to get his account deleted) were truly disgusting, and having been one of the unfortunate people to see them I am still sickened to this day. Mball’s number is still on my mobile, but I absolutely hope that mine is not on his.

[Exiled in Toronto]

I switched off after the cringeworthy gissajob posts which I found embarrassing.

[imy9]

Indeed. Meanwhile the person who caused it continues to post...

Sorry but are you blaming the victim for the actions of the perpetrator?

You take responsibility for your own actions I've yet to see Blueboy post anything remotely offensive in comparison.

[Rover_Shaun]

Agreed. We all disagree and poke fun at times but that was out of order. There are mature ways of going about getting an account removed.

[Glenn]

Let us keep it on topic, not some meta discussion of each other please. I hate having to remove posts.

[onlyonejackwalker]

Which makes it all the more surprising that Bowyer still hasn't given you a job. Or maybe you're just bitter...

He has clearly explained why he believes it be a poor appointment referencing the lack of PL players historically produced by Kinder.

Unfortunately the level of detail in the argument does not sit well with you, having no effective come back, so you resort to making it personal about his career.

You seem to take any criticism of Gary Bowyer and his team very, very personally for some strange reason I cannot fathom. Perhaps therefore you could kindly explain why Kinder is the most suitable recruit available from a world-wide audience.

If starting your response with 'Gary said hes amazing', then I suggest you don't bother.

[JBiz]

Jeeeeeeeeez so much anger of old news.

Since the current owners took hold- we've always had cheap staff instead of the best available, regardless of price.

Why are we suprised? Did we think that Mr Shelf would occupy himself with finding the absolute perfect man for the job?

The structure we have is massively open to abuse due to the distance between the decision makers and the decisions. The posturing in the void is what's put us in this position.

A position of frustration, debt, downsizing and an empty stadium. I know sometimes it's difficult to see any positives but at least GB makes decisions for the betterment of the club and not his own future earning 10%. Essentially, having a close nit academy director and manager should tie together what we are teaching the young players coming through.

As head of Academy- we could only really give any view to his ability after several years. I appreciate it might be difficult for a few people to keep their mouths shut at this point, but if our youth don't get better or produce a few stars in the next 2 years, we can say Eric is a dud.

For instance, I'd say Phil Cannon was an excellent academy manager. I didn't know who he was before, I know nothing of his reputation or abilities- just based on the players we've produced under his tenure.

I know if I had a football club and billions to run it- I'd have spent more money on youth facilities, engagement with schools, youth scouting, youth coaches et al. Rather than pay players 35k to post a picture of their nutsack (metaphorical) on Instagram.

Id also have a manager of experience and reputation, and likely someone of the Zinedine Zidane ilk as my academy director.

Thing is though, that's the problem, not kinder or GB or Myers or (to an extent) deggsy! It's a decision maker who knows zip all about the sport 5000 miles away in a different timezone.

[blueboy3333]

He has clearly explained why he believes it be a poor appointment referencing the lack of PL players historically produced by Kinder.

Unfortunately the level of detail in the argument does not sit well with you, having no effective come back, so you resort to making it personal about his career.

You seem to take any criticism of Gary Bowyer and his team very, very personally for some strange reason I cannot fathom. Perhaps therefore you could kindly explain why Kinder is the most suitable recruit available from a world-wide audience.

If starting your response with 'Gary said hes amazing', then I suggest you don't bother.

gary said he's amazing.

you said this a couple of weeks ago and i ignored it then as not worthy of a response. However to stop you fretting i'll answer it. I don't take the criticism of Bowyer personally at all, i just think he's done a very good job so to provide a bit of balance i will praise him when it's due. What i won't do is write someone off like Kinder, just because a few miserable cynical dullards who no longer have an affection for Rovers have written him off. Kinder's U'21's team (mostly made up of U'18's) have reached a cup final, there are some good youngsters coming through and so i'm delighted a fellow Rover who has achieved this and seems very well-respected (i've heard this off a few people who aren't that keen on Bowyer who say Kinder is very good at his job) is now in charge of the Academy. Simple as that.

As for porno-boy he just listed a set of criteria for academy status. Stating that Kinder didn't produce any Prem players whilst at a League 1 club is hardly an argument. Not many Prem teams manage that, and i don't remeber seeing anywhere that Kinder had been tasked with such a thing. What he did do is produce a lot of good young kids for Carlisle's first team. That's his remit at Rovers and that's what he will be judged on. Here's a link so you can get some perspective, and not just rely on tittle tattle from people on here with an axe to grind.

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/carlisle-united/latest/carlisle-utd-s-eric-kinder-moves-to-blackburn-rovers-1.1061539