Academy & U21s

[Polky]

 

[bluebruce]

30 minutes ago, Polky said:

 

Christ, every half decent youngster we produce gets linked away before they've played a first team game these days, this is getting ridiculous.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

9 hours ago, bluebruce said:

Christ, every half decent youngster we produce gets linked away before they've played a first team game these days, this is getting ridiculous.

When you think back to the old Youth Cup winning team. We got 5 years out of Fred Pickering, 7 years out of Mike England and 10 years out of Keith Newton before they all got lured away. We’d have been lucky to get a first team game out of them today.

Edited Friday at 08:11 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[joey_big_nose]

10 hours ago, bluebruce said:

Christ, every half decent youngster we produce gets linked away before they've played a first team game these days, this is getting ridiculous.

The rules need to be addressed somehow. Smaller clubs are getting absolutely ransacked. Theres got to a be a win-win found for the clubs and the players. I dont think its unreasonable for young players to be treated like senior players if they are designated as a senior prospect and compensated to a certain level, with rules around the club losing this  protection if they dont get a certain number of minutes in the league for the club or something.

[joey_big_nose]

Would help talent development too as creates a big incentive for teams lower down the pyramid to play youth.

[KentExile]

Assuming he does leave, Boggan at least had the decency to sign a pro deal with us last year so Rovers will get something for him.  Which given he only joined Rovers a couple of years previously, leaves him in some credit, and is a much better approach to take than that of Finneran, who decided to sod off as soon as possible despite having been with Rovers since he was 7 or 8

Edited Friday at 09:04 by KentExile

[chaddyrovers]

JDT promoted a number of young players into squad in his first season. Players like Ash Phillips, Adam Wharton, Jake Garrett and Jack Vale. 

So they should be no problem in us bringing through our own players and developing there if the talent is there

Who is ready to be part of the first team squad next season? Probably not many tbh. Duru, Tyjon and Michalski(as third choice). After that, not many but I haven't watched the under 21's this season. Isn't James Edmondson, Max Davies and Tom Atcheson highly rated? 

Best people are @arbitroand @Parsonblueas I think they are regularregularly under 21's watchers. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

JDT promoted a number of young players into squad in his first season. Players like Ash Phillips, Adam Wharton, Jake Garrett and Jack Vale. 

So they should be no problem in us bringing through our own players and developing there if the talent is there

Who is ready to be part of the first team squad next season? Probably not many tbh. Duru, Tyjon and Michalski(as third choice). After that, not many but I haven't watched the under 21's this season. Isn't James Edmondson, Max Davies and Tom Atcheson highly rated? 

Best people are @arbitroand @Parsonblueas I think they are regularregularly under 21's watchers. 

I’ve not seen much of him but I thought that Edmundson looks to be a prospect. 

[Exiled_Rover]

12 hours ago, Polky said:

 

That's two of our players O'Rourke has tried to sell this month. 

[Exiled_Rover]

12 hours ago, bluebruce said:

Christ, every half decent youngster we produce gets linked away before they've played a first team game these days, this is getting ridiculous.

Which is why the plan to develop youth and sell them on can't work under the current structure.

You're left with the Travis / JRC / S. Wharton / Buckley level players. Decent Championship players, once they've developed (usually at 22+) but not worth a whole lot of money. 

Any one with PL talent is snaffled up for a minimal fee before they can play for you. It's absurd. 

[47er]

55 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

So they should be no problem in us bringing through our own players and developing there if the talent is there

If the talent is there it goes somewhere else! Haven't you noticed?

[arbitro]

13 hours ago, Polky said:

 

Sounds like an agent at work here. Boggan is clearly a prospect but hasn't convinced me yet having seen him a few times.

[davulsukur]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

JDT promoted a number of young players into squad in his first season. Players like Ash Phillips, Adam Wharton, Jake Garrett and Jack Vale. 

So they should be no problem in us bringing through our own players and developing there if the talent is there

Who is ready to be part of the first team squad next season? Probably not many tbh. Duru, Tyjon and Michalski(as third choice). After that, not many but I haven't watched the under 21's this season. Isn't James Edmondson, Max Davies and Tom Atcheson highly rated? 

Best people are @arbitroand @Parsonblueas I think they are regularregularly under 21's watchers. 

Dunny's lad?

Was it O'Grady-Mackem who made his debut this season?

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, davulsukur said:

Dunny's lad?

Was it O'Grady-Mackem who made his debut this season?

Havent seen both play so can't comment 

[KentExile]

U21s lost 3-0 away to Southampton this evening

 

 

Edited Friday at 19:59 by KentExile

[arbitro]

4 minutes ago, KentExile said:

U21s away to Southampton this evening

score/update

 

 

No Michalski, Atcheson, Rhys Doherty or Edmondson in the team?

I suspect some of these will be on first team duty tonight.

[KentExile]

7 minutes ago, arbitro said:

No Michalski, Atcheson, Rhys Doherty or Edmondson in the team?

I suspect some of these will be on first team duty tonight.

Atcheson went off injured in the first half last week

[arbitro]

1 minute ago, KentExile said:

Atcheson went off injured in the first half last week

Which leaves the first team squad a little short of centre halves if he is still out. Perhaps Rhys Doherty is stepping up with Matty Litherland out on loan.

[KentExile]

41 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Which leaves the first team squad a little short of centre halves if he is still out. Perhaps Rhys Doherty is stepping up with Matty Litherland out on loan.

Doherty has also been playing full back for the u21s, so a good shout as cover on the bench as we only have JRC for right back currently

Edit - maybe they were just held back from travelling to Southampton in case they were needed if Rovers picked up late injuries?  If not that then very strange

Edited Friday at 18:02 by KentExile

[Tom]

1 hour ago, KentExile said:

U21s away to Southampton this evening

score/update

 

 

Are the kids sponsored by Venkys? In match pics it always seems to be Watson Ramsbottom 

[KentExile]

8 minutes ago, Tom said:

Are the kids sponsored by Venkys? In match pics it always seems to be Watson Ramsbottom 

Never noticed that, I don't think they are

Very strange

[bluebruce]

6 hours ago, arbitro said:

No Michalski, Atcheson, Rhys Doherty or Edmondson in the team?

I suspect some of these will be on first team duty tonight.

Turned out none of them were. Montgomery was, so clearly been recalled to sit our bench (and probably not play). Bit of a strange one.

Also weird, slight side note here, that we only made 2 subs in the first team game tonight. I'm not sure what he saw where he thought 'yes this is going swimmingly'. I'd have rather at least had a few minutes to see one of the youngsters near the end when the game was clearly gone.

[KentExile]

5 hours ago, bluebruce said:

Turned out none of them were. Montgomery was, so clearly been recalled to sit our bench (and probably not play). Bit of a strange one.

Also weird, slight side note here, that we only made 2 subs in the first team game tonight. I'm not sure what he saw where he thought 'yes this is going swimmingly'. I'd have rather at least had a few minutes to see one of the youngsters near the end when the game was clearly gone.

The game was clearly gone by the third minute

[arbitro]

7 hours ago, bluebruce said:

Turned out none of them were. Montgomery was, so clearly been recalled to sit our bench (and probably not play). Bit of a strange one.

Also weird, slight side note here, that we only made 2 subs in the first team game tonight. I'm not sure what he saw where he thought 'yes this is going swimmingly'. I'd have rather at least had a few minutes to see one of the youngsters near the end when the game was clearly gone.

It was something we commented on too. We also said that putting Montgomery on would have been a no lose situation for him. The game was gone, Travis and Buckley were awful and we desperately needed an attacking midfielder which is what he is.

It made no sense but then very little has recently.

[simongarnerisgod]

cannot understad the recall for montgomery,my mate was at chorley last week and he said "good player, above the level at chorley but no way is he ready for championship football yet" no point in recalling him,leaving him at chorley would have more benificial to him,might be a low level but you don`t half get tested physically,lad would certainly learn how to look after himself