[Archived] championship 14/15

[roverzee]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30726651

In answer to my own question...we have reduced the wage bill from 36.6m to 34.5m. So it's hardly been savage cuts.

Old numbers based on even older accounts - why are you even quoting that article today?

[roverzee]

How much has the wage bill been reduced under Bowyer Theno?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30726651

In answer to my own question...we have reduced the wage bill from 36.6m to 34.5m. So it's hardly been savage cuts.

You are quoting an article which refers to the accounts for the financial year 1st April 2013 -> 31st March 2014.

Gary Bowyer was appointed full time in May 2013. How on earth could he have influenced the wage bill you've quoted above?

You'll need both the 14/15 and 15/16 accounts to make any judgement on Gary Bowyer regarding wage reduction.

[ABBEY]

You appear every 3 or 4 weeks , does rehab allow you this luxury ?

[thenodrog]

How much has the wage bill been reduced under Bowyer Theno?

No idea. You tell me. BUT tbf he didn't hand out the stupidly long contracts to failed Premier League journeymen in return for a slice of the cake did he?

I'd roll the dice in Big Sams direction with £'s on each side of them ! He may even find a place for GB and Bowyer may be happy to work with him.

Dream on. Big sam's well out of our league now. Plus he'll be more interested in vengeance than helping the venkymob out of the mess of their own making I'd imagine. I certainly would be.

One is one of a select few that brought us major silverware

Indeed BUT as I stated before, turning wine into water, or gold into base metal if you prefer.

[roverzee]

You appear every 3 or 4 weeks , does rehab allow you this luxury ?

It's better for readers than every 3 or 4 minutes ...

[joey_big_nose]

Hughes and Souness were both big successes. Souness lost his way at the end but before that he put a great team together including signing Freidal and Tugay who were unbelievably good, better than anyone from the prem side of 95 bar Shearer, and huge long term servants to the club. Plus won a cup, promotion etc.

I liked Allardyce but Souness achieved much more. And while he was blessed with a good squad and resources he managed and bought well through til 2003.

On other hand we got thrashed quite a few times under Allardyce and many of his signings were poor - Kalinic, Di Santo, Basturk, Chimbonda. Don't get me wrong Allardyce did well but it is very hard to say he had a better spell at Rovers than Souness.

[Dunnfc]

You are quoting an article which refers to the accounts for the financial year 1st April 2013 -> 31st March 2014.

Gary Bowyer was appointed full time in May 2013. How on earth could he have influenced the wage bill you've quoted above?

You'll need both the 14/15 and 15/16 accounts to make any judgement on Gary Bowyer regarding wage reduction.

In those figures its representative of the likes of Etuhu etc who have had contracts paid up.

We've only just stopped paying Ryan Nelsen ironically.

[thenodrog]

Hughes and Souness were both big successes. Souness lost his way at the end but before that he put a great team together including signing Freidal and Tugay who were unbelievably good, better than anyone from the prem side of 95 bar Shearer, and huge long term servants to the club. Plus won a cup, promotion etc.

I liked Allardyce but Souness achieved much more. And while he was blessed with a good squad and resources he managed and bought well through til 2003.

On other hand we got thrashed quite a few times under Allardyce and many of his signings were poor - Kalinic, Di Santo, Basturk, Chimbonda. Don't get me wrong Allardyce did well but it is very hard to say he had a better spell at Rovers than Souness.

Selective memory jbn. Whilst you rightly highlight Tugay and Brad and you highlight Allardyces failings you completely ignore the desperately poor Souness signings of Grabbi, Gresko, Di Matteo, Ferguson and Amoruso of which most imo carried the faint stench of corruption with them.

[Mike E]

Selective memory jbn. Whilst you rightly highlight Tugay and Brad and you highlight Allardyces failings you completely ignore the desperately poor Souness signings of Grabbi, Gresko, Di Matteo, Ferguson and Amoruso of which most imo carried the faint stench of corruption with them.

Not to mention some astute signings under Sam:

Salgado, Nzonzi, Jacobsen, Benjani (imo), Jones' debut, Dunn's best season post-Brum.

[blueboy3333]

Selective memory jbn. Whilst you rightly highlight Tugay and Brad and you highlight Allardyces failings you completely ignore the desperately poor Souness signings of Grabbi, Gresko, Di Matteo, Ferguson and Amoruso of which most imo carried the faint stench of corruption with them.

Think we paid £1m for Amuruso and let Rangers have Berg on a free. Berg was still a far better defender. Souness was still a shareholder at Rangers. I'm sure there's no connection between those events

As an aside, It's amazing how much stick Bowyer gets for some of his signings when you look at some of the shyte Allardyce and Souness signed.

[gumboots]

Every manager signs some poor ones. The thing is, only the really big clubs can do it and get away with it

[matt83]

Think we paid £1m for Amuruso and let Rangers have Berg on a free. Berg was still a far better defender. Souness was still a shareholder at Rangers. I'm sure there's no connection between those events

As an aside, It's amazing how much stick Bowyer gets for some of his signings when you look at some of the shyte Allardyce and Souness signed.

Souness did make some @#/? signings I seem to remember they majority of whom were from sfx or whatever it was called where he was major shareholder. But in fairness did sign Brad Friedel, Lucas Neill, Morten Gamst Pedersen, Steven Reid and Tugay. All of whom did a job and two of whom I think are amongst the best signings ever for the club.

Allardyce bought a fair number of stinkers goulon top of the pile but again he did buy givet who was useful and golden oldies like Salgado. But what he lacked in inspiring signings/style of play he made up for by all but guaranteeing a mid table prem side.

In terms of overall management bowyer is far from both their all round quality.

[roverandout]

Stig Inge byornabye was pretty @#/?

[Amo]

Grabbi was a bargain. He was worth at least another £7.5m.

[blueboy3333]

Souness did make some @#/? signings I seem to remember they majority of whom were from sfx or whatever it was called where he was major shareholder. But in fairness did sign Brad Friedel, Lucas Neill, Morten Gamst Pedersen, Steven Reid and Tugay. All of whom did a job and two of whom I think are amongst the best signings ever for the club.

Allardyce bought a fair number of stinkers goulon top of the pile but again he did buy givet who was useful and golden oldies like Salgado. But what he lacked in inspiring signings/style of play he made up for by all but guaranteeing a mid table prem side.

In terms of overall management bowyer is far from both their all round quality.

i just mentioned quality of signings, not overall ability.

[Tom]

He's sill lightyears behind in that regard but Gestede was a masterstroke one way or another

[blueboy3333]

He's sill lightyears behind in that regard but Gestede was a masterstroke one way or another

Don't agree with that, we're not the same club anymore. We're a middling Championship club with no money and under a transfer embargo. Todays equivalents of Tugay,Friedel etc wouldn't touch us and we couldn't afford them.

[matt83]

.Even in signings alone I think he's behind allardyce and Souness. In my opinion Gestede and killgallon his best. Followed by any number of nothing average signings like spur, Conway, cairney, Evans, Duffy, Eastwood. But he's also brought in his fair share of dross with jan songo'o topping the list.

It's hard to make comparisons with managers buying in the prem and managers buying in championship but even adjusting for expectations I not sure bowyer signings have been all that really.

[joey_big_nose]

Selective memory jbn. Whilst you rightly highlight Tugay and Brad and you highlight Allardyces failings you completely ignore the desperately poor Souness signings of Grabbi, Gresko, Di Matteo, Ferguson and Amoruso of which most imo carried the faint stench of corruption with them.

Fair enough. Ferguson and Grabbi were atrocious. The others I think not so bad.

[joey_big_nose]

Not to mention some astute signings under Sam:

Salgado, Nzonzi, Jacobsen, Benjani (imo), Jones' debut, Dunn's best season post-Brum.

Salgado was decent but short lived due to age and hardly pulled up trees, Nzonzi was a very good find imo. Benj and Jacobsen not so great. Did a basic squadies job. Not a patch on Neill for example who contributed much more to Rovers.

And if you give Allardyce credit for Jones then you have to give Souness credit for Duff and Dunn. To be honest to they were all massive talents who any competant manager would use.

Souness brought much better players to the club whichever way you look at it.

[Mike E]

Salgado was decent but short lived due to age and hardly pulled up trees, Nzonzi was a very good find imo. Benj and Jacobsen not so great. Did a basic squadies job. Not a patch on Neill for example who contributed much more to Rovers.

And if you give Allardyce credit for Jones then you have to give Souness credit for Duff and Dunn. To be honest to they were all massive talents who any competant manager would use.

Souness brought much better players to the club whichever way you look at it.

I was looking to give Allardyce credit, not discredit Souey forgot Givet while I was at it!

[JAL]

Don't agree with that, we're not the same club anymore. We're a middling Championship club with no money and under a transfer embargo. Todays equivalents of Tugay,Friedel etc wouldn't touch us and we couldn't afford them.

Totally unacceptable blueboy.

By the way which blue are you Everton or Rovers or both.

[blueboy3333]

Totally unacceptable blueboy.

By the way which blue are you Everton or Rovers or both.

It's a Rovers website, have a guess.

Just out of idel curiosity, what do you deem 'unacceptable'?

[JAL]

It's a Rovers website, have a guess.

Just out of idel curiosity, what do you deem 'unacceptable'?

Regardless of wether its a Rovers website this doesnt mean to say you're a Rover or not.

[Gav]

Think we paid £1m for Amuruso and let Rangers have Berg on a free. Berg was still a far better defender. Souness was still a shareholder at Rangers. I'm sure there's no connection between those events

As an aside, It's amazing how much stick Bowyer gets for some of his signings when you look at some of the shyte Allardyce and Souness signed.

That Amaruso header against Wolves at home was a cracker, the shape of things to come, well maybe not but it was a good goal!

He's sill lightyears behind in that regard but Gestede was a masterstroke one way or another

Bowyer was ruthless in his pursuit of Gestede, took advantage of the mess that was Cardiff at the time and got his man, we need more of the same.

Totally unacceptable blueboy.

By the way which blue are you Everton or Rovers or both.

He's being realistic JAL.