[Archived] Season tickets again!

[Rover_Shaun]

Campaign or complain?

If there was a campaign I must have missed it. Marches? Protests?

[thenodrog]

No they weren't, and they haven't been right about anything to do with Rovers since. I'm surprised any Rovers fan would even agree with the media on that- points win prizes, not attendances. With our catchment area and fanbase, we do ok getting on the number we do!! (But I'm sure you knew that!)

How were our attendances the following seasons when we went down in 98/99? Folk seem to be happy to re-write history, I still go on each week at home, and whilst it's not as toxic as it was in the Kean era, it's still dreadful!

Thats a difficult comparison. We still had a team full of star players and Jack Walker at the helm.

[K-Hod]

Thats a difficult comparison. We still had a team full of star players and Jack Walker at the helm.

I don't know, if people are saying fans tail off when the going gets tough, relegation at any time is surely one such example?

[Rover_Shaun]

I wouldn't exactly say the 99 team was star studded (Peacock? Dailly? Ward?). Any more than the 2012 vintage. Both got what they deserved

[Gav]

Of course we re thankful for JW and the stadium.

But its too big.Even at our most successful we wasnt filling it. And most probably never will.Cheapest tickets ..free tickets to schools ..you name it we didnt fill it.

We play Burnley ..our so called big derby and get nowhere near filling it.

Now we give opposing teams 8000 tickets and turn a home game into an away game atmosphere...and still nowhere three quarters full.

We had a very successful period lets hope it happens again but theres no way that ground will be a sell out im afraid.

We had many sell outs during the Premiership years, yes we gave 8k to away fans but thats just good business sense.

We sold out last season also, one of the worst seasons in recent times and we could have sold more home tickets for that one.

The size of the ground is the least of our worries and I know you're only replying to comments made on the subject.

That lot down the road gave 4000 to away fans last season and failed to sell out 22k more often than not, now thats really poor for the biggest and best supported club in the WORLD!

[thenodrog]

Someone reassure me........

We aren't now seeing fans who have backed the sacking of a good manager, appointment of an academy coach with the ensuing mind numbing football criticising fans - for walking away from the club are we? What did they expect would happen? Did they really believe that everyone would hang around flag waving? Maybe they should have thought about the outcome when these owners started to rid the club of virtually all the talent it had.

Touch of reality needed here. Team wins games - gates rise. Teams lose games - gates fall ......... EVERYWHERE.

This day has been coming from the moment they set foot here. Yet some think it's our natural position and you're not a proper fan if you don't accept it.

In all fairness den once the individual members of the Walker Trust who had been given the poisoned chalice and decided that they had carried the club long enough the writing was on the wall. We got to the Prem through a level of financial input that the supporters of BRFC were unable to provide. The fall was avoidable as you, I and others knew in 2010 /11 but since the fall from grace happened we are simply finding our own level. Unfortunately town teams can never dine long at the top table.

NW County is coming ever nearer. Both us and Bolton are out of our depth financially and could easily drown, Blackpool should Oyston leave will return to a permanent place in the 4th Div, Hemmings and PNE will fall apart at some time (although tbh if he bides his time which he doesn't have all that much of PNE could easily benefit from the demise of their neighbours.). Unfortunately when it happens we will have to negotiate from a position of weakness.

[only2garners]

How many were sold last season, 9000? That's a good figure considering what's on offer. People are creatures of habit.

10,991.

[thenodrog]

Which is exactly what im saying.Rather than three new huge stands the whole three sides could have been done,smaller capacity which would have been more than adequate for what Rovers could attract come rain or shine.

Hindsight eh? We have an amazing ground that we could never ever have funded and yet people are even finding fault with that. whatever happened to Jack's motto 'Think Big'?

Fair to say that at the time all our local rivals were in the 4th Div with Burnley especially in desperate financial straits and Jack no doubt hoped that we would attract some of their 'floating' support. Hinsight now tells us that he should have bought them and shut them down and created one 'Northern Powerhouse' of a team.... not based at Ewood of course.

[perthblue02]

Hindsight eh? We have an amazing ground that we could never ever have funded and yet people are even finding fault with that. whatever happened to Jack's motto 'Think Big'?

Jack - Think Big

Walkers trust - Think

Venky's - Don't think act confused or Think Cheap

[thenodrog]

Er it will be no ones fault other than venkys .!

Gord please stop ripping those who have turned or are going to stop attending . It's very hypocritical ,

No it's not!

Abbey ffs read my previous posts on my stance and motives for doing what I did at the time. I'm now a ST holder because now we are off the Prem nipple BRFC needs our support more than ever.

And whilst we are at it shame on you and thousands like you for not doing exactly the same but instead choosing to financially and physically support a crooked regime intent on profiting massively from both the club and the owners. No bloody good you coming on here now 4 years late with venkyscumout posts is it? That horse bolted in 2011!

Of course we re thankful for JW and the stadium.

But its too big.Even at our most successful we wasnt filling it. And most probably never will.Cheapest tickets ..free tickets to schools ..you name it we didnt fill it.

We play Burnley ..our so called big derby and get nowhere near filling it.

Now we give opposing teams 8000 tickets and turn a home game into an away game atmosphere...and still nowhere three quarters full.

We had a very successful period lets hope it happens again but theres no way that ground will be a sell out im afraid.

Exactly why I've said time and again that Blackburn cannot provide the necessary support to fund a top Prem team. Just as neither can any of our neighbouring towns. There is only one solution to this equation and FFP has confirmed it.

Campaign or complain?

If there was a campaign I must have missed it. Marches? Protests?

facebook?

I don't know, if people are saying fans tail off when the going gets tough, relegation at any time is surely one such example?

You lived through it I assume K-Hod? In Jack we trusted.

[Athlete]

A good post.

Anyone thinking we could consistently attract 15000-16000 season ticket holders are deluded. Whoever was running the club.Whatever the division.

Just a shame when the ground was re developed they didnt give this a thought. Quite easily could have been re developed into a 20000-22000 stadium including the Riverside in the process. Ample for what we require.

What a load of absolute garbage must be worst post ever on here ....If no ambition was shown we'd of never won the league competed in Europe regularly etc etc . If the ground hadn't been built as large as it was mid nineties and later on under big Sam we wouldn't have been able to accommodate all our fans FFS

In all fairness den once the individual members of the Walker Trust who had been given the poisoned chalice and decided that they had carried the club long enough the writing was on the wall. We got to the Prem through a level of financial input that the supporters of BRFC were unable to provide. The fall was avoidable as you, I and others knew in 2010 /11 but since the fall from grace happened we are simply finding our own level. Unfortunately town teams can never dine long at the top table.

NW County is coming ever nearer. Both us and Bolton are out of our depth financially and could easily drown, Blackpool should Oyston leave will return to a permanent place in the 4th Div, Hemmings and PNE will fall apart at some time (although tbh if he bides his time which he doesn't have all that much of PNE could easily benefit from the demise of their neighbours.). Unfortunately when it happens we will have to negotiate from a position of weakness.

NW county ? Stupid post your talking garbage again

[thenodrog]

We had many sell outs during the Premiership years, yes we gave 8k to away fans but thats just good business sense.

We sold out last season also, one of the worst seasons in recent times and we could have sold more home tickets for that one.

The size of the ground is the least of our worries and I know you're only replying to comments made on the subject.

That lot down the road gave 4000 to away fans last season and failed to sell out 22k more often than not, now thats really poor for the biggest and best supported club in the WORLD!

Reverting to comparing ourselves to any of our neighbours who also cannot fund a Premier League team rather backs up the case for merging gav.... although I don't expect you to see it that way.

[K-Hod]

No it's not!

Abbey ffs read my previous posts on my stance and motives for doing what I did at the time. I'm now a ST holder because now we are off the Prem nipple BRFC needs our support more than ever.

And whilst we are at it shame on you and thousands like you for not doing exactly the same but instead choosing to financially and physically support a crooked regime intent on profiting massively from both the club and the owners. No bloody good you coming on here now 4 years late with venkyscumout posts is it? That horse bolted in 2011!

Exactly why I've said time and again that Blackburn cannot provide the necessary support to fund a top Prem team. Just as neither can any of our neighbouring towns. There is only one solution to this equation and FFP has confirmed it.

facebook?

You lived through it I assume K-Hod? In Jack we trusted.

No, but TV Money can. Swansea, Palace, Southampton, Stoke, WBA didn't have attendances that much different to ours when in the same league. How do you think they're being propped up just now?

I did, but people are saying that when we're relegated the fans leave, well, our attendances in that period don't support that theory!

[Amo]

NW County is coming ever nearer.

No, it's really, really not.

Don't let that stop you flogging this dead horse, however.

[thenodrog]

NW county ? Stupid post your talking garbage again

Thank you for that well thought out and reasoned response athlete.

“Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn.”

― Benjamin Franklin

[thenodrog]

No, but TV Money can. Swansea, Palace, Southampton, Stoke, WBA didn't have attendances that much different to ours when in the same league. How do you think they're being propped up just now?

I did, but people are saying that when we're relegated the fans leave, well, our attendances in that period don't support that theory!

? Every one of those is a City club. And everyone of those clubs enjoys a far bigger support potential than BRFC.

Grief K-Hod we've got Bolton just a few miles south, PNE a few miles west, Burnley a few miles East and square miles of bleak impassable moorland to the North. Our core areas of traditional support is now majority muslim. Most of our kidz are scattered around either the country or the globe. We simply have nowhere to go to increase the support. Lets be honest if blackburn didn't already have a fully professional team who the hell would even consider starting one?

No, it's really, really not.

Don't let that stop you flogging this dead horse, however.

Well maybe not to you Topman..... you live in Hampshire and never come to ewood remember.

[Athlete]

Thank you for that well thought out and reasoned response athlete.

Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn.

― Benjamin Franklin

Get a life will you ..Lancashire United Lancashire County now NW county . How stupid can you get..

[Gav]

Exactly why I've said time and again that Blackburn cannot provide the necessary support to fund a top Prem team. Just as neither can any of our neighbouring towns. There is only one solution to this equation and FFP has confirmed it.

Blackburn HAS supported a Premiership club for the best part of 20yrs, because fans coming through the turnstiles isn't the only factor to consider, Sky money if the main ingredient.

So the point is irrelevant really.

Very few premiership clubs could support a premiership team through gate money alone.

[BlooBoy]

What a load of absolute garbage must be worst post ever on here ....If no ambition was shown we'd of never won the league competed in Europe regularly etc etc . If the ground hadn't been built as large as it was mid nineties and later on under big Sam we wouldn't have been able to accommodate all our fans FFS

NW county ? Stupid post your talking garbage again

Really..Accomodate all OUR fans ???...you mean all the free school kids we gave tickets to?.maybe we should have made it a 40 000 seater for all these fans you are talking about .?..Attendance figures prove otherwise

Ambition on the pitch never been questioned ..read my post.

A 20-22000 stadium quite adequate ..packed with Rovers fans ideal . We re sat in the North West surrounded by umpteen clubs.

Once the "novelty" of coming to Premiership games (over hyped by Skys sudden influx of over kill and our new found wealth ) suddenly waned our attendances slowly decreased.And any sudden lack of success (remember AVE 25 500 title winning year followed by an increase to 27000 the following year ) and that average was also going to drop.As it did.As i said ..Rovers tickets would then be a premier ..actually sought after not something you could just pick up 3 for a tenner when you could be arsed going.

So ...even with your estimation of all OUR fans ..18-20000 for Rovers ..2000 to away ..spot on.

But as mentioned hindsights wonderful ..

[Amo]

Well maybe not to you Topman..... you live in Hampshire and never come to ewood remember.

Thankfully there's plenty of Northerners who think your idea is poppycock, too.

[Athlete]

Really..Accomodate all OUR fans ???...you mean all the free school kids we gave tickets to?.maybe we should have made it a 40 000 seater for all these fans you are talking about .?..Attendance figures prove otherwise

Ambition on the pitch never been questioned ..read my post.

A 20-22000 stadium quite adequate ..packed with Rovers fans ideal . We re sat in the North West surrounded by umpteen clubs.

Once the "novelty" of coming to Premiership games (over hyped by Skys sudden influx of over kill and our new found wealth ) suddenly waned our attendances slowly decreased.And any sudden lack of success (remember AVE 25 500 title winning year followed by an increase to 27000 the following year ) and that average was also going to drop.As it did.As i said ..Rovers tickets would then be a premier ..actually sought after not something you could just pick up 3 for a tenner when you could be arsed going.

So ...even with your estimation of all OUR fans ..18-20000 for Rovers ..2000 to away ..spot on.

But as mentioned hindsights wonderful ..

What are you trying to do wewrite history

[jim mk2]

In all fairness den once the individual members of the Walker Trust who had been given the poisoned chalice and decided that they had carried the club long enough the writing was on the wall. We got to the Prem through a level of financial input that the supporters of BRFC were unable to provide. The fall was avoidable as you, I and others knew in 2010 /11 but since the fall from grace happened we are simply finding our own level. Unfortunately town teams can never dine long at the top table.

NW County is coming ever nearer. Both us and Bolton are out of our depth financially and could easily drown, Blackpool should Oyston leave will return to a permanent place in the 4th Div, Hemmings and PNE will fall apart at some time (although tbh if he bides his time which he doesn't have all that much of PNE could easily benefit from the demise of their neighbours.). Unfortunately when it happens we will have to negotiate from a position of weakness.

It is possible one or two clubs might fail (but I doubt it) - and then revive under another guise (see Acc Stanley), but there will never ever be a combined entity.

You continue to make yourself look silly by repeating this.

[thenodrog]

Blackburn HAS supported a Premiership club for the best part of 20yrs, because fans coming through the turnstiles isn't the only factor to consider, Sky money if the main ingredient.

So the point is irrelevant really.

Very few premiership clubs could support a premiership team through gate money alone.

But even with Prem money making us equal with other bottom half Prem clubs we still have too few supporters only willing to pay half price. Topping up as JW and the trust did until 2007 is now against FFP. Whatever the options you choose to consider we are left flogging a dead horse gav

It ism possible one of two clubs might fail (but I doubt it) - and then revive under another guise (see Acc Stanley), but there will never ever be a combined entity.

You continue to make yourself look silly by repeating this.

Oh great...... I can't wait.

tbh you can count me out of a pointless exercise like that. .... and I prob speak for 95% of BRFC fans too.

[K-Hod]

? Every one of those is a City club. And everyone of those clubs enjoys a far bigger support potential than BRFC.

Grief K-Hod we've got Bolton just a few miles south, PNE a few miles west, Burnley a few miles East and square miles of bleak impassable moorland to the North. Our core areas of traditional support is now majority muslim. Most of our kidz are scattered around either the country or the globe. We simply have nowhere to go to increase the support. Lets be honest if blackburn didn't already have a fully professional team who the hell would even consider starting one?

Well maybe not to you Topman..... you live in Hampshire and never come to ewood remember.

Potential being the key word, Swansea only have any fans or any money because they're in the PL, same with Stoke. Stoke has similar levels of deprivation to Blackburn. We were getting similar crowds to all of them when we were in the PL. The only Birmingham club with a fanbase of any decent size is Villa.

The club has got potential, the crowd versus Liverpool in the home and away games shows that.

PNE have less fans than us, yet have a much bigger population, same goes for Bolton.

[jim mk2]

But even with Prem money making us equal with other bottom half Prem clubs we still have too few supporters only willing to pay half price. Topping up as JW and the trust did until 2007 is now against FFP. Whatever the options you choose to consider we are left flogging a dead horse gav

Oh great...... I can't wait.

tbh you can count me out of a pointless exercise like that. .... and I prob speak for 95% of BRFC fans too.

Just accept NW County or Lancashire Utd or whatever you want to call it is a pointless exercise and 99 per cent of Rovers fans wouldn't go near it.