[Archived] Season tickets again!

[thenodrog]

The idea of East Lancs clubs merging was being bandied about in the 1960s - some people haven't moved on and realised the notion is a dead as the dinosaurs.

Was it? I don't rem that. Made sense though given that following the abolition of the max wage when virtually every Lancashire club was in the top division to just half a dozen years later when they had all been relegated, with (apart from BRFC under the local millionaire that you detest) never winning a top trophy ever again.

Just ponder the quality that the people of Lancashire had on their doorstep back then.

Blackpool won the FA Cup in '53 and were runners up to Man Utd for the 1st Div title the year after.

PNE losing finallists in '54 and '64 and runners up in the 1st Div twice in the 50's,

BWFC won the FA Cup in '58

Burnley the 1st div title in '60, runners up in 62 and losing finallists in the FA Cup in '61,

BRFC were losing FA Cup finalists in '60 and were sitting top of the 1st Div Christmas 63.

maximum wage abolished early 60's.

After that Zilch until Jack Walker threw millions into the Rovers.

The rest is history. This area is a 'hot bed of football and has been cheated of the chance to see a top team punching it's weight simply by a change in the conditions/ rules. Dinosaurs became ectinct because they couldn't adapt to changing conditions too Jim. Pity it didn't take off back then we'd all be better off for it and it would have kept the kids away from becoming Utd and Lpool fans.

[Athlete]

About double the distance from BBurn to Manchester then? What is the old saying about engaging one's brain before putting ones mouth into gear?

You are a provoctive halfwit it's over 30 from blackburn as do it regularly ..The train link from Stoke is a lot better

[jim mk2]

Your argument ignores the history of the clubs and, most of all, the tribalism of football and how the towns and the people who live there identify with their teams. No one is going to watch some regional conglomerate.

[Athlete]

Still nothing altering BRFC Britain's most successful town club which Venky's have ruined

[K-Hod]

Was it? I don't rem that. Made sense though given that following the abolition of the max wage when virtually every Lancashire club was in the top division to just half a dozen years later when they had all been relegated, with (apart from BRFC under the local millionaire that you detest) never winning a top trophy ever again.

Just ponder the quality that the people of Lancashire had on their doorstep back then.

Blackpool won the FA Cup in '53 and were runners up to Man Utd for the 1st Div title the year after.

PNE losing finallists in '54 and '64 and runners up in the 1st Div twice in the 50's,

BWFC won the FA Cup in '58

Burnley the 1st div title in '60, runners up in 62 and losing finallists in the FA Cup in '61,

BRFC were losing FA Cup finalists in '60 and were sitting top of the 1st Div Christmas 63.

maximum wage abolished early 60's.

After that Zilch until Jack Walker threw millions into the Rovers.

The rest is history. This area is a 'hot bed of football and has been cheated of the chance to see a top team punching it's weight simply by a change in the conditions/ rules. Dinosaurs became ectinct because they couldn't adapt to changing conditions too Jim. Pity it didn't take off back then we'd all be better off for it and it would have kept the kids away from becoming Utd and Lpool fans.

Which is exactly the same as encouraging them to support a 'Lancashire' FC.

[Rover_Shaun]

Can we all agree on the following?

Nobody likes Venkys

Everybody blames Venkys

Everybody will be glad when they leave

The success of the team is very much up in the air

Everybody is free to do what the hell they like (within the constraints of the law and common decency)

Season tickets eh? My, they're cheap................

[Athlete]

Can we all agree on the following?

Nobody likes Venkys

Everybody blames Venkys

Everybody will be glad when they leave

The success of the team is very much up in the air

Everybody is free to do what the hell they like (within the constraints of the law and common decency)

Season tickets eh? My, they're cheap................

Agreed 👍

[DE.]

Kinell! You just can't grasp it can you?

Pretty accurate I thought.

Funny though how the word 'investment' is trotted out continually regarding football clubs. Press, media, managers, and supporters bleat out about their club desperately needing investment. We get some gormless feckers to invest countless millions into our club and then moan and play hell about it.

There's a difference between smart investment and stupidly piling up massive amounts of debt. But then, you already know that, don't you?

To put it another way, if the fans had been given a say in Venky's spending - how many of the players/managers that were brought in do you think would have been approved by the fans?

For a start, I don't think Kean in and Allardyce out would have been approved by the majority of our fanbase. Some hated Allardyce to the point where anybody would do, and to hell with the consequences, but those were a minority even on this board. Most appreciated that, at the very least, Allardyce had to stay until a suitable replacement was found.

As for Formica, Petrovic, Rochina, Bradley Orr... not a chance of any of them coming in (on the fees we paid, at least) as the majority of the fanbase wouldn't have known who any of them were and assumedly wouldn't be stupid enough to shell out daft money for complete nobodies who had proven nothing at this level.

Venky's didn't invest, they built up horrendous debt by giving the reigns to an agent who lined his own pockets and then disappeared into the night. People are moaning about that, not about investment itself.

[JAL]

Funny though how the word 'investment' is trotted out continually regarding football clubs. Press, media, managers, and supporters bleat out about their club desperately needing investment. We get some gormless feckers to invest countless millions into our club and then moan and play hell about it.

What's the point of investment if its to reward others (Non Rovers) that attach themselves to the club.

There's a difference between smart investment and stupidly piling up massive amounts of debt. But then, you already know that, don't you?

To put it another way, if the fans had been given a say in Venky's spending - how many of the players/managers that were brought in do you think would have been approved by the fans?

For a start, I don't think Kean in and Allardyce out would have been approved by the majority of our fanbase. Some hated Allardyce to the point where anybody would do, and to hell with the consequences, but those were a minority even on this board. Most appreciated that, at the very least, Allardyce had to stay until a suitable replacement was found.

As for Formica, Petrovic, Rochina, Bradley Orr... not a chance of any of them coming in (on the fees we paid, at least) as the majority of the fanbase wouldn't have known who any of them were and assumedly wouldn't be stupid enough to shell out daft money for complete nobodies who had proven nothing at this level.

Venky's didn't invest, they built up horrendous debt by giving the reigns to an agent who lined his own pockets and then disappeared into the night. People are moaning about that, not about investment itself.

Bradley Orrs agent is going very strong at the club and has been for a long while.

[EgyptianPete]

What's the point of investment if its to reward others (Non Rovers) that attach themselves to the club.

Bradley Orrs agent is going very strong at the club and has been for a long while.

Well if that's true then hero Gary Bowyer is as culpable as some of the others on the gravy train, 1st thing when he took over should have been to get rid of the bad eggs, after all we are told he has complete control, no wonder we get some dross pertaining to be footballers.

[arbitro]

What's the point of investment if its to reward others (Non Rovers) that attach themselves to the club.

Bradley Orrs agent is going very strong at the club and has been for a long while.

But that says more about Rovers than Orr's agent. If I was an average Joe footballer and my agent could get me a three year deal on £20k per week I would say he is very good at his job. For Orr read Best, Murphy, Etuhu, Gomes, Campbell and a gaggle of Portuguese chancers.

Well done to their agents - that is what they get paid for.

[DE.]

But that says more about Rovers than Orr's agent. If I was an average Joe footballer and my agent could get me a three year deal on £20k per week I would say he is very good at his job. For Orr read Best, Murphy, Etuhu, Gomes, Campbell and a gaggle of Portuguese chancers.

Well done to their agents - that is what they get paid for.

A fair point. None of those players have any affinity with the club, it's just a job for them.

Of course, in the case of Best and Orr their absolute disrespect towards the club and fans is inexcusable, but as always, Venky's are ultimately to blame for allowing these chancers to take money off the club in the first place.

[JAL]

But that says more about Rovers than Orr's agent. If I was an average Joe footballer and my agent could get me a three year deal on £20k per week I would say he is very good at his job. For Orr read Best, Murphy, Etuhu, Gomes, Campbell and a gaggle of Portuguese chancers.

Well done to their agents - that is what they get paid for.

Wouldn't surprise me if some of those players you mention where from the same stable.

[jim mk2]

A fair point. None of those players have any affinity with the club, it's just a job for them.

Of course, in the case of Best and Orr their absolute disrespect towards the club and fans is inexcusable, but as always, Venky's are ultimately to blame for allowing these chancers to take money off the club in the first place.

1. There are very few players who have an affinity with any club and for the vast majority playing football is a job of work. In the past few years there's only Dunn, Pedersen, Robinson and one or two others who have shown any genuine affection for Rovers.

2. Why are the owners to blame for a poor signing ? Isn't it the manager's job to identify players and who should carry the can when they turn out rotten ?

[JAL]

Well if that's true then hero Gary Bowyer is as culpable as some of the others on the gravy train, 1st thing when he took over should have been to get rid of the bad eggs, after all we are told he has complete control, no wonder we get some dross pertaining to be footballers.

Let's go back to January and the agent gets his clients final year salary paid up then he moves another of his young clients to a rival then loanes him back to Rochdale then he loans another client out to another rival then swaps him for another.

We are told Gary has full control.

Who controls Gary ?

[chaddyrovers]

Let's go back to January and the agent gets his clients final year salary paid up then he moves another of his young clients to a rival then loanes him back to Rochdale then he loans another client out to another rival then swaps him for another.

We are told Gary has full control.

Who controls Gary ?

maybe Bowyer wanted rid of Orr out of the club?

also on O'Connell, didn't he want leave to go to Brentford to play there?

like Glen Mullan and Mani have told you BEFORE that Bowyer select the players he wants to sign and decide who Rovers sell. How many times do we have to go over this NOW?

[thenodrog]

You are a provoctive halfwit it's over 30 from blackburn as do it regularly ..The train link from Stoke is a lot better

I don't believe that it is. Jim'll surely know, he likes trains n stuff.

Your argument ignores the history of the clubs and, most of all, the tribalism of football and how the towns and the people who live there identify with their teams. No one is going to watch some regional conglomerate.

Tribalism is a problem I agree, but I don't believe your last sentence.

Still nothing altering BRFC Britain's most successful town club which Venky's have ruined

Correct. Hardly breaking news tbh though athlete. Now try and clear your head and move the current debate on.

Well if that's true then hero Gary Bowyer is as culpable as some of the others on the gravy train, 1st thing when he took over should have been to get rid of the bad eggs, after all we are told he has complete control, no wonder we get some dross pertaining to be footballers.

Please explain how he could do that (legally).

[jim mk2]

I don't believe that it is. Jim'll surely know, he likes trains n stuff.

Tribalism is a problem I agree, but I don't believe your last sentence.

Correct. Hardly breaking news tbh though athlete. Now try and clear your head and move the current debate on.

Please explain how he could do that (legally).

Tribalism is not a problem, it's what supporting a football club is all about.

It's also why a regional club will always be a non-starter.

[DE.]

1. There are very few players who have an affinity with any club and for the vast majority playing football is a job of work. In the past few years there's only Dunn, Pedersen, Robinson and one or two others who have shown any genuine affection for Rovers.

2. Why are the owners to blame for a poor signing ? Isn't it the manager's job to identify players and who should carry the can when they turn out rotten ?

I don't dispute your first point.

As far as the second point goes, surely it's the job of the owner (or board members) to ensure the club doesn't get lumbered down with average players on stupid deals, in order to avoid financial meltdown? Giving a manager free reign to sign whoever he wants at whatever price is a recipe for disaster. Just ask the clubs Arry's been at.

[thenodrog]

Tribalism is not a problem, it's what supporting a football club is all about.

It's also why a regional club will always be a non-starter.

And also why no club in Lancashire plus Bolton and Wigan will ever amount to much, will hardly feature in the Premier League or ever even dare dream of winning anything of note. Kids are the future in football and kids don't want tradition, they don't want history all they want is winners. Destroy hope in football and there isn't much left.

[ABBEY]

er if you say bolton are in lancs then so are utd & city.

[jim mk2]

And also why no club in Lancashire plus Bolton and Wigan will ever amount to much, will hardly feature in the Premier League or ever even dare dream of winning anything of note. Kids are the future in football and kids don't want tradition, they don't want history all they want is winners. Destroy hope in football and there isn't much left.

Burnley, Southampton, Stoke, Swansea, West Brom, Bournemouth, Watford, Norwich, and many others say you're wrong. Difference is they are well run clubs.

You're also wrong about kids - decent ones (those brought up properly) know the difference between supporting your local club and glory hunters.

Take your miserable mask off. There's plenty of hope for Rovers

[Stuart]

Was it? I don't rem that. Made sense though given that following the abolition of the max wage when virtually every Lancashire club was in the top division to just half a dozen years later when they had all been relegated, with (apart from BRFC under the local millionaire that you detest) never winning a top trophy ever again.

Just ponder the quality that the people of Lancashire had on their doorstep back then.

Blackpool won the FA Cup in '53 and were runners up to Man Utd for the 1st Div title the year after.

PNE losing finallists in '54 and '64 and runners up in the 1st Div twice in the 50's,

BWFC won the FA Cup in '58

Burnley the 1st div title in '60, runners up in 62 and losing finallists in the FA Cup in '61,

BRFC were losing FA Cup finalists in '60 and were sitting top of the 1st Div Christmas 63.

maximum wage abolished early 60's.

After that Zilch until Jack Walker threw millions into the Rovers.

The rest is history. This area is a 'hot bed of football and has been cheated of the chance to see a top team punching it's weight simply by a change in the conditions/ rules. Dinosaurs became ectinct because they couldn't adapt to changing conditions too Jim. Pity it didn't take off back then we'd all be better off for it and it would have kept the kids away from becoming Utd and Lpool fans.

Which is exactly what's happening again under FFP.

Seems to me that the dinosaurs were targeted, cornered and cheated by those who stood to gain from the rule changes.

[tomphil]

Not at all Athlete ..just pointing out that its a shame the ground wasnt re developed on all four sides to a capacity that Blackburn Rovers could get close to actually filling.

Im sorry if historys "figures" pour water onto your idea that Rovers had this phenomenal fan base but unfortunately we didnt and wont.Dont let the glory years cloud your judgement.

And now we sit with the other 11000 dotted around three stands and stare at 8000 leeds fans vocally ripping our roof off and come crying on here saying how outrageous that they got that many tickets in the first place.

Get fcking used to it ..

6900 actually, Boro bettered it by c100 but lets not get carried away or people will begin to think your a dingle

[BlooBoy]

6900 actually, Boro bettered it by c100 but lets not get carried away or people will begin to think your a dingle

6900 actually, Boro bettered it by c100 but lets not get carried away or people will begin to think your a dingle

If i was a dingle i would never have said 11000 Rovers fans ....