[Archived] Rovers v Brighton: 21st March at 3pm

[Stuart]

He didn't even have them warming up for the final 15 minutes and the fact he brought Spurr on before mahoney shows he had no intention of using them

What I found rather bizarre today, and I think against Brentford too, was that our subs didn't come out to warm up for most of the half time period. The opposition made the most of that time. What were ours up to? Cycling in the gym? Sat in for Bowyer's team talk? Playing cards?

[Proudtobeblue&white]

What I found rather bizarre today, and I think against Brentford too, was that our subs didn't come out to warm up for most of the half time period. The opposition made the most of that time. What were ours up to? Cycling in the gym? Sat in for Bowyer's team talk? Playing cards?

I was having a Bulmers, I think they did the same?

[47er]

Today's performance was crap by the players apart from Olsson and Henley.

Most of the players didn't look for the game or even interested either.

we created nothing much apart from a couple of chances tbh.

we need pace in this team. that's what we lacked. we need to bring in a pacey striker and a pacey winger in the summer and hopefully this is address by the manager.

we also need to set the team up for Rhodes and play to his strengths otherwise we might aswell sell him. we need to play a more passing style of play with movement to get Rhodes scoring. We ONLY create 1 chance for him today.

I wouldn't said that Bowyer is killing the club at all.

I would say other people are to blame for Rovers going down and the problems at the club

I'm wondering why you might think these issues might be addressed by the manager next season? After all, he's had plenty of time to recognise them already and clearly can't or won't.

On your own impression of the game Bowyer can't even motivate the players he's got!

Yet you still expect and desire that he remain in charge next season.

Or was that last week?

[chaddyrovers]

I'm wondering why you might think these issues might be addressed by the manager next season? After all, he's had plenty of time to recognise them already and clearly can't or won't.

On your own impression of the game Bowyer can't even motivate the players he's got!

Yet you still expect and desire that he remain in charge next season.

Or was that last week?

Bowyer did give them a huge rollicking at half time according to his Radio Lancashire interview.

But the players need to take responsible for today's defeat and their performance cos it was nowhere near good enough. blame the manager all you want but at the end of the day its down to the players to perform. they didn't today

after we beat Leeds on 22nd November we were 6th in the league. since this we have been far too inconsistent results and form wise. http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-championship/2014-2015/table/2014-11-22

[Stand & Deliver]

Bowyer did give them a huge rollicking at half time according to his Radio Lancashire interview.

But the players need to take responsible for today's defeat and their performance cos it was nowhere near good enough. blame the manager all you want but at the end of the day its down to the players to perform. they didn't today

after we beat Leeds on 22nd November we were 6th in the league. since this we have been far too inconsistent results and form wise. http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-championship/2014-2015/table/2014-11-22

And who's job is it to get the players to perform?

[Andyblue2]

Bowyer did give them a huge rollicking at half time according to his Radio Lancashire interview.

But the players need to take responsible for today's defeat and their performance cos it was nowhere near good enough. blame the manager all you want but at the end of the day its down to the players to perform. they didn't today

after we beat Leeds on 22nd November we were 6th in the league. since this we have been far too inconsistent results and form wise. http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-championship/2014-2015/table/2014-11-22

Yawn

[LDRover]

The manager gets the blame for poor performances Chaddy, that's football.

[Tom]

Chaddy how can you solely blame the players and absolve the manager of blame?

They've stopped playing for him if today is anything to go by the players don't believe in him and he has the tactical acumen of a blancmange!

[Andyblue2]

It irrelevant to Chaddy. Bowyer could spit roast his missus with old Eric and he'd clean the curtains afterwards for them,

Old Parson is quiet

[Mercer]

Chaddy how can you solely blame the players and absolve the manager of blame?

They've stopped playing for him if today is anything to go by the players don't believe in him and he has the tactical acumen of a blancmange!

Need to be careful as some might be trying to work out what sort / type of manager a 'blancmange' is thinking you've just missed the 'r' off ! Hope that's not too cynical.

[DE.]

Chaddy how can you solely blame the players and absolve the manager of blame?

They've stopped playing for him if today is anything to go by the players don't believe in him and he has the tactical acumen of a blancmange!

Parson is clearly a bad influence on him

Bowyer did give them a huge rollicking at half time according to his Radio Lancashire interview.

Do you honestly believe that? I can't imagine Bowyer saying boo to a goose. What professional sportsman could possibly be intimidated by him?

The players were by all accounts awful today, but what about the games between December and the middle of February? They weren't exactly thrill-a-minute encounters either. The players can't be blamed indefinitely. At some point you have to look at how they're being trained and motivated... and that particular area lies solely with the management team.

[scotchrover]

Bowyer did give them a huge rollicking at half time according to his Radio Lancashire interview.

But the players need to take responsible for today's defeat and their performance cos it was nowhere near good enough. blame the manager all you want but at the end of the day its down to the players to perform. they didn't today

after we beat Leeds on 22nd November we were 6th in the league. since this we have been far too inconsistent results and form wise. http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-championship/2014-2015/table/2014-11-22

Can you really imagine Bowyer going in there and doing that? I think he'd get laughed at personally. I agree the players didn't put the effort in today, but I think a lot of that is down to the fact that he's no longer got the dressing room onside.

Out of interest Chaddy, do you feel we've ever been a class above a team, 11 v. 11?

Where the hell are BRAG in all of this by the way? They moan enough about Venkys, so why not about Bowyer's reign of **** that's currently taking place?

[chaddyrovers]

It irrelevant to Chaddy. Bowyer could spit roast his missus with old Eric and he'd clean the curtains afterwards for them,

Old Parson is quiet

What a totally pathetic comment there. But yet again Andy thats the type of comments you do. You add nothing to the debate just personal insults to posters who don't agree with you.

[Mercer]

Parson is clearly a bad influence on him

Do you honestly believe that? I can't imagine Bowyer saying boo to a goose. What professional sportsman could possibly be intimidated by him?

The players were by all accounts awful today, but what about the games between December and the middle of February? They weren't exactly thrill-a-minute encounters either. The players can't be blamed indefinitely. At some point you have to look at how they're being trained and motivated... and that particular area lies solely with the management team.

Our last 20 games have yielded 23 points.

Staggeringly poor and evidence of a team on the slide.

[Andyblue2]

What a totally pathetic comment there. But yet again Andy thats the type of comments you do. You add nothing to the debate just personal insults to posters who don't agree with you.

I add more than your inane blinkered view of my club. How dare you!

[chaddyrovers]

Chaddy how can you solely blame the players and absolve the manager of blame?

They've stopped playing for him if today is anything to go by the players don't believe in him and he has the tactical acumen of a blancmange!

The players have to take alot of the blame today.

But like I said before I would like to see Mahoney come on. Said it to you on twitter at half time.

[DE.]

Our last 20 games have yielded 23 points.

Staggeringly poor and evidence of a team on the slide.

As others have said, we are where we deserve to be, rooted in mid table.

The question is how much worse will it be next season without the likes of Gestede and Rhodes to get us out of the holes our playing style regularly dig for us?

[chaddyrovers]

I add more than your inane blinkered view of my club. How dare you!

Really???

[Mercer]

As others have said, we are where we deserve to be, rooted in mid table.

The question is how much worse will it be next season without the likes of Gestede and Rhodes to get us out of the holes our playing style regularly dig for us?

Think next season, the Championship will be even tougher.

Potentially, 3 'big' city clubs coming up (Bristol, Preston & Sheffield) with 3 from Leicester, Burnley, QPR & Sunderland coming down.

With Bowyer in charge, will be a real battle to keep above the bottom 6.

[DE.]

Think next season, the Championship will be even tougher.

Potentially, 3 'big' city clubs coming up (Bristol, Preston & Sheffield) with 3 from Leicester, Burnley, QPR & Sunderland coming down.

With Bowyer in charge, will be a real battle to keep above the bottom 6.

I think QPR will potentially be weakened by the huge fine potentially coming their way, but whoever comes down will be much stronger than the likes of Fulham and Cardiff. Not sure about the clubs coming up, but the lower end of the Championship is unlikely to be as pathetic as it has been this year, particularly with the likes of Blackpool no longer being beaten by everybody (except us). The playoff teams who don't go up will continue to be a threat and I think the likes of Brighton and Wolves will be stronger next season too.

This season was a golden opportunity to get into the mix, as Brentford and Ipswich have shown. It's a real shame we didn't have the management team necessary to push ourselves into the frame. The squad is not the problem, though next season it may be a part of it, along with the manager.

[Stuart]

But the players need to take responsible for today's defeat and their performance cos it was nowhere near good enough. blame the manager all you want but at the end of the day its down to the players to perform. they didn't today

And there it is. Again.

The manager takes responsibility because he bought, selected, "organised" and (supposedly) motivated that bunch of players. Whenever we win the snide comments are always quickly on the board. It's not just today, it's been most of the season. He must have used a couple of dozen different players so far - what, or who is the common denominator, the ever-present?

[Rover_Shaun]

Harford, Hodgson, Kidd, Berg, Appleton et al all carried the can for @#/? results. Bowyer is no different and to suggest otherwise is a bit silly.

[47er]

The players have to take alot of the blame today.

But like I said before I would like to see Mahoney come on. Said it to you on twitter at half time.

Well that would hardly have solved the situation on its own would it? Nor would it have suddenly made Bowyer a good manager.

If he did give his players the hair-dryer treatment at half-time, it didn't work did it?

Anymore than his selections, substitutions or tactics.

You recognised this a few weeks ago when you gave up on him.

A few notable contributors absent from this debate at this time I note!

[Husky]

Parson is clearly a bad influence on him

Do you honestly believe that? I can't imagine Bowyer saying boo to a goose. What professional sportsman could possibly be intimidated by him?

The players were by all accounts awful today, but what about the games between December and the middle of February? They weren't exactly thrill-a-minute encounters either. The players can't be blamed indefinitely. At some point you have to look at how they're being trained and motivated... and that particular area lies solely with the management team.

Too much of this:

..and let's be honest, all that's gonna do is make players soft, and soft players even softer. Plus nobody has professional respect for one of the lads.

Let's face it, most footballers are lazy shitheads and will do the bare minimum to get by. This is why when a player 'stays back after training to practice free kicks (or whatever)' it's seen as highly commendable and often gets a special mention. Most footballers need a rocket up their ass from a decent fitness team/ set of coaches/manager etc. or they'll slip into being lackadaisical. These are aspects of things that are obviously missing at Rovers - especially considering the amount of injuries, lack of overall fitness and quite frankly comatose approach during the majority of matches over the last 2 seasons or so.

I know GG recently tried to defend the teams fitness by citing that we (to paraphrase) 'went until the end' or 'scored a last minute goal' - but seriously, if you've been labouring for the first 80 minutes of a game then that's the least I'd expect. I'm pretty sure I could sprint the last 500 metres of a 5km if I walked the first 4.5km

We obviously need to have a proper clear out of staff - not just the inept and uninspiring manager.

[Mike E]

I add more than your inane blinkered view of my club. How dare you!

Inane views, but still better than pretending you've played a higher standard of football than a regular Championship footballer.

Chaddy: The players are to blame for an inept performance, yes. Who's job is it to motivate and get them firing so they don't perform as they have today?

The answer to that question is a man who is steady Eddie. I actually don't mind Bowyer or our position in the table.

What I do mind is the sheer negativity. It needn't even require a change of manager! If Bowyer just had the defence going as good as it currently is and let the attackers play without shackles (bloody attack) then we'd be playoffs imo.