[Archived] Rovers v Brighton: 21st March at 3pm

[JBiz]

Neither was Mr Kean

Yes but what has that got to do with anything, you antagonising spewtum.

[Rover_Shaun]

It happened thats why its relevant and he was supposedly in a closer position to make a judgement (regardless of his erroneous nature). You are a nasty little worm aren't you?

[arbitro]

Pointless adding this on because it's just a personal comment. Like me saying you must be JR's uncle since you defend him all time.

Shame really cos much of what you say is fair comment.

Problem is, it's just lacking that foresight many exhibit. Regardless of PBs reason, I can give you 3/4/5 however many you want reasons for sticking with GB.

Granted it's now got to the stage where I can't see us moving forward under him- I think that's a reflection of the way this club is now run.

The one big reason why GB should remain next year in my eyes, is that I don't want a complex novice or another "berg" (who despite many claims on here didn't get enough time, he won 1 game in 10 with a squad arguably twice as good as this one, or at least twice as expensive)

That's what we will get. Find me the logic or evidence that says it's not going to be another internal promotion that smacks of a lack of aspiration or care.

What about getting a manager in who is good enough to improve the players irrespective of age or experience? There are many examples of bright young managers who understand the game and have the right skill set to hit the ground running. Last week we saw a team who played in the right way, played with freedom, with confidence and positivity. Up to recently their manager was working the the City and coaching part time. I just want a manager who I feel can do the right things to get results. Bowyer fails massively in this respect.

[DE.]

As far as instability at managerial level causing relegation, tell that to Watford. Four managers this season and challenging for automatic promotion.

[Amo]

The one big reason why GB should remain next year in my eyes, is that I don't want a complex novice or another "berg" (who despite many claims on here didn't get enough time, he won 1 game in 10 with a squad arguably twice as good as this one, or at least twice as expensive)

We don't know who the club will hire next. History suggests that it will be another underwhelming individual, but it's an unknown variable. There's always a chance that we hire another unproven, over-promoted coach but maybe this time the guy just happens to have the 'spark' that Bowyer is sorely lacking? Surely, given the stakes involved, the risk is worth taking if we're to have any chance of getting back to the big time, because the alternative is that we sleepwalk into oblivion with Bowyer.

And Berg had a squad "twice as good as this one"? I thought Bowyer had inherited a complete shambles and needed to rebuild from the ground up?

[K-Hod]

As an aside, does anyone else find it a bit strange how the manager and academy bosses keep being referred to as Gary and Eric? It's like they're everyone's old pals!! Have we ever been like this with previous managers??

[Stuart]

Pointless adding this on because it's just a personal comment. Like me saying you must be JR's uncle since you defend him all time.

Shame really cos much of what you say is fair comment.

Problem is, it's just lacking that foresight many exhibit. Regardless of PBs reason, I can give you 3/4/5 however many you want reasons for sticking with GB.

Granted it's now got to the stage where I can't see us moving forward under him- I think that's a reflection of the way this club is now run.

The one big reason why GB should remain next year in my eyes, is that I don't want a complex novice or another "berg" (who despite many claims on here didn't get enough time, he won 1 game in 10 with a squad arguably twice as good as this one, or at least twice as expensive)

That's what we will get. Find me the logic or evidence that says it's not going to be another internal promotion that smacks of a lack of aspiration or care.

Interesting, and disappointing, that you pick out the one thing you don't agree with in my post despite seemingly agreeing with the rest of it. Hey-ho.

I actually think it's a very important plot point. It's factual that Berg did not get any time to stamp his own authority or game plan on Rovers. He was undermined by the board which at that time was filled with clowns and jokers. If Parson had been screaming from the rafters that Berg had not been given enough time, or Appleton for that matter (neither of whom lost to Bumley as a small sidenote) then fair enough. But it's only now that it's Bowyer that he needs 2 years (now upgraded to 4 years). It's not a personal attack, my point is that for Parson it IS personal and therefore not objective.

Sticking with Bowyer next season is not an option, it's fait accomplit. And fans nod along, why? Fear.

Bowyer v Worst Manager Imaginable

Venkys v Liquidation

How true are either of those? And how much is it going to improve the longer time goes on? With promotion? Without promotion?

[Rover_Shaun]

And Berg had a squad "twice as good as this one"? I thought Bowyer had inherited a complete shambles and needed to rebuild from the ground up?

LOL.

As silly as saying we don't have the resources that Souness had to get us out of this league despite the FACTS showing we have spent double what he did. Debunked.

Now on one hand the defence of Bowyer is that Berg had a better squad and with the next breath it's said he had to rebuild that squad. Wtf? There is no consistency to it. No rhyme or reason. At least I've been a consistant 'spewtum' rather than muddled.

[Amo]

Brown, First time he touched the ball he showed a sublime piece of skill then turned into a carthorse till he was subbed.

Carthorse, eh? Isn't that the same word I used to describe him the other week? I knew you'd finally come around.

[JBiz]

We don't know who the club will hire next. History suggests that it will be another underwhelming individual, but it's an unknown variable. There's always a chance that we hire another unproven, over-promoted coach but maybe this time the guy just happens to have the 'spark' that Bowyer is sorely lacking? Surely, given the stakes involved, the risk is worth taking if we're to have any chance of getting back to the big time, because the alternative is that we sleepwalk into oblivion with Bowyer.

And Berg had a squad "twice as good as this one"? I thought Bowyer had inherited a complete shambles and needed to rebuild from the ground up?

Firstly- isn't it wiser to go with experience? I mean our experience of their decision making is a nightmare. Do I forget that and say ultimately that I'd rather risk another trip down "dark forces" avenue?

The question of "is it more or less likely that a management change will improve us?"

I'm sorry to be the harbinger of doom but there is absolutely no way I can see PNE, Toffee boy and the 5000 mile away owners making the right appointment.

They don't care at all. It's evident that we mean nothing to them debt or not. Is it more or less likely that any influence from them will have a negative effect?

The club might be sleepwalking it's way into years of regression but I'm still convinced there is more chance of GB improving us over time whilst downscaling. More chance of that happening than us getting a proper board, a proper structure and an exciting rated manager.

That's not accepting mediocrity- what do I do? Become Mr condescending about my views yet boycott? Do I just stop having an opinion and just clap? Do I shout venkyscum till I'm blue in the face?

No idea.

Oh and as for Berg, your twisting Toppers. If not twice as good, twice as expensive. Remember who assembled that team and remember why we are still paying for players we don't want.I honestly think sometimes you felt Kean did a good job- it's the only explanation I have for you suggesting GB inherited something tangible for this division.

Also no mention of Bergs record. He may have been hindered by chaos, but does that fully excuse the pitiful displays? Same goes for Appleton.

[ABBEY]

As opposed to Boreya's excellent displays ?

[JBiz]

As opposed to Boreya's excellent displays ?

Liverpool, Sheff Wed, Charlton x2, Stoke, Fulham, Bolton - all good displays, all in 2015.

[USABlue]

I'm not worried about relegation Abbey. Never have been.

If we stick with what we have and lose some of our better players during close season then next season you should be worried. I am.

[USABlue]

Comfort zone. Everone at this club from the top exec.down to the ground staff is in a comfort zone.

Clearly the players did not buy into Bowyers bleatings about winning 8 games amd still being in the mix. Their choice? and not for the first time,to knock off early for the international break.

No consequences here at.Blackburn Rovers Football and Country Club for not performing. Just stick together and keep the wool pulled over the eyes of the lunes in pune and we are all on anice little doddle.

It disgusts me, even in our dark dark days of the early 70's i dont remeber ever waliking away from a game feeling like the players did not even try. To think next season they will be wondering why season ticket sales are down so much.

I wonder what shelfys spin to the chicken farmers will be then. Will he finally point the finger at GB when his own neck is on the block.

One game left to save a season we'd better see some passion. Blood guts and thunder, leave it all out on the pitch.

See, niavely perhaps, i have always believe in Arte et Labore. Just like my St Andrews junior school motto of work hard play hard. Those are the values instilled in me I just can not tolerate not lack of effort.

Sure down the years we have lacked in some of the Arte but seldom did we leave out the Labore.

Time for change. If we get dumped out the cup regardless of if we give it a reet good go THEN is the time to make the change.

[ABBEY]

Liverpool, Sheff Wed, Charlton x2, Stoke, Fulham, Bolton - all good displays, all in 2015.

Bowyer for england then

[imy9]

LOL.

As silly as saying we don't have the resources that Souness had to get us out of this league despite the FACTS showing we have spent double what he did. Debunked.

Now on one hand the defence of Bowyer is that Berg had a better squad and with the next breath it's said he had to rebuild that squad. Wtf? There is no consistency to it. No rhyme or reason. At least I've been a consistant 'spewtum' rather than muddled.

As silly as comparing football 16 years ago with today? Financially things have at least quadrupled.

Souness also had John Williams...we have Shabby. There we had Uncle Jack...today Venkys.

Berg had an awful squad and little time to change. Bowyer has had time and reshaped the SQUAD. Tough job but he has done well with it. Now we need to kick in again and I'm afraid he is not the man for the job, imo.

[JBiz]

Bowyer for england then

"So if he's not @#/? he's the best in the world"

[imy9]

"So if he's not @#/? he's the best in the world"

Took you a while to work that one out lol

[JBiz]

Took you a while to work that one out lol

I find that black and white mentality hilarious. If it's not day, it's night.

[imy9]

I find that black and white mentality hilarious. If it's not day, it's night.

Agreed. Life is a wonderful shade of grey... Some may say 50 shades of grey lol.

[Blue blood]

Liverpool, Sheff Wed, Charlton x2, Stoke, Fulham, Bolton - all good displays, all in 2015.

Brentford, Blackpool, Brighton - all disgraceful displays, all within the last month or so.

Anyhow, like the players, bar the Liverpool game am thoroughly switched off about this season. I wouldn't even mind mid-table (ok I would and we should never be there with the team we have) if I thought we had the chance of watching a few wins and exciting performances in, but even the chances of that are remote.

Not sure how Gestede doesn't start instead of Brown. But then there's a lot of strange selections at the club. Can't think anyone could think that such rotation is down to tactics or a plan at all.

[chaddyrovers]

how was Brentford display was disgraceful?

we were not good enough defensive but going forward be were good.

[Blue blood]

how was Brentford display was disgraceful?

we were not good enough defensive but going forward be were good.

Chaddy, thanks for debating. Would be good if you could reply to my post in the Bowyer out thread.

Well for starters about the Brentford game - their player being able to run 60 yards or whatever it was unchallenged for the second goal is pretty appalling. Letting the lead slip twice through comical defending is also pretty embarrassing. Your favourite keeper Steele had a mare with two of the goals. All of which is pretty poor.

Perhaps the most disgraceful thing is whenever there is the tiniest amount of pressure Rovers crumble. A 2 year old has more mental fortitude than this team. And no, the cup games don't count, as no-one expected us to get anything from them so there was no pressure on GB and the lads. But in the league as soon as there's an expectation we bottle it.

[tomphil]

Midfield still remains a problem. Spearing isn't the answer there were shades of Murphy from him yesterday. Just like the defensive issues Bowyer hasn't been able to come up with a consistently competitive midfield in 2 seasons now and that plays a big role in defending flaws when teams find it so easy to over run us there.

[Gav]

LOL.

As silly as saying we don't have the resources that Souness had to get us out of this league despite the FACTS showing we have spent double what he did. Debunked.

:lol: