[Archived] Preston

[Gav]

Nobody can tell me he's just lazy and can't be arsed.

Laughable 😂

[K-Hod]

Because other players chipped in :-)

[Ewooduknow]

Because other players chipped in :-)

And why is that?

[K-Hod]

And why is that?

You'd have to ask them.... I'm not carrying on this debate in the Preston thread, it's been done to death already and doing everyone's head in.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Sorry Tyrone but that's just Bunkum.

Shearer and Sutton aside, he'd have played in most Rovers sides in my lifetime.

Can you imagine Rhodes with Wilcox and Ripley supplying the service?

Rhodes playing alongside Bellamy, or playing with Tugay or Berkovic pulling the strings.

He's scoring 20 goals in a poor side!

I'm sorry but I don't agree, and I'm going right back to Andy McEvoy. You wouldn't seriously split Shearer and Sutton, Sutton and Gallagher. Which one of Cole and Jansen would you leave out for him ? Lazy Dwight, Bellamy, Santa Cruz, Benny Mac all streets better even on a bad day. Is he better than Jason Roberts at top level ? We don't know because he's never played there. Was he better than Kuqi ? Possiblyl, but we don't know because he's never played at that level. Was he better the Simon Garner ? Not in my opinion.

One thing about football, you can try fool other people if you like but don't try to fool yourself. It never works out.

[mustard]

And i'll make a point. Why did the sides promoted all the while we've had Rhodes in this league not require a striker with his goal output?

Really? That's your point?

Because they had arguably better squads and managers? Because they had other players who chipped in goals? Because they kept it far tighter at the back than we did? An infinite number of reasons/arguments.

It's not as cut and dry as what you're implying and I'm sure if you put Rhodes up front for any of the promotion-winning sides in recent years, he and they would flourish. Putting it all on Rhodes's door is ridiculous.

The more I read your posts, the more I think you must be some kid who is severely lacking in football knowledge and perspective.

PS look at the top goalscorers for the promotion winning sides. Some were close to matching or exceeded Rhodes here and there. The points you are trying to make are null and void.

[Speedie Dived]

Some people are straight up dumb. Don't seem to realise we are a mid-table Championship side. Look around the league and pick out all the "more complete strikers" you'd rather have in your team. Very few of them have goals and assists tallies that together total more than Rhodes gets in the season.

His finishing is second to none and we are damn lucky to have him. If Rhodes was a more complete striker, if he was quicker and/or was a bigger physical presence, he would be playing Premier League football and arguably for a Champions League club.

Wake up people.

It's not about how many our centre forward gets, it's about how many our whole team gets.

Chris Martin at Derby is a good example, brings his team into play going forward. Will score about 10-12

[mustard]

You'd have to ask them.... I'm not carrying on this debate in the Preston thread, it's been done to death already and doing everyone's head in.

Don't know why I'm bothering. Must be a troll, a kid or someone severely lacking in intelligence...

Or all of the above.

[Gav]

I'm sorry but I don't agree, and I'm going right back to Andy McEvoy. You wouldn't seriously split Shearer and Sutton, Sutton and Gallagher. Which one of Cole and Jansen would you leave out for him ? Lazy Dwight, Bellamy, Santa Cruz, Benny Mac all streets better even on a bad day. Is he better than Jason Roberts at top level ? We don't know because he's never played there. Was he better than Kuqi ? Possiblyl, but we don't know because he's never played at that level. Was he better the Simon Garner ? Not in my opinion.

One thing about football, you can try fool other people if you like but don't try to fool yourself. It never works out.

You only need to look at his goal scoring record to know he'd have walked into most Rovers sides over the past 40yrs, it's just ridiculous that we're even discussing this, can't believe I'm getting drawn in.

I respect your view Tyrone, but you're wrong about Rhodes, very wrong.

[mustard]

It's not about how many our centre forward gets, it's about how many our whole team gets.

Chris Martin at Derby is a good example, brings his team into play going forward. Will score about 10-12

And so you think it's all Rhodes's fault we've been lacking goals from midfield? Come on Speedie. You're surely not naive enough to believe that. Not as if we did any better when Rhodes was dropped for Gestede/Brown, is it?

Paul Lambert seems to think Rhodes will be a very important figure in his team and I'm more inclined to agree with him than BRFCC's resident football experts.

[Speedie Dived]

And so you think it's all Rhodes's fault we've been lacking goals from midfield? Come on Speedie. You're surely not naive enough to believe that. Not as if we did any better when Rhodes was dropped for Gestede/Brown, is it?

Paul Lambert seems to think Rhodes will be a very important figure in his team and I'm more inclined to agree with him than BRFCC's resident football experts.

It's not all his fault, but if he can't hold it up or run the channels that it will have an effect. We can't get forward as a team then.

As I said before, Lambert will praise him now whatever he wants to do with him. Silly to do anything else.

[EgyptianPete]

Utter @#/? no more o be said

Also cheats and on his arse all the time, remember his appearance at Ewood, Rhodes all the time for me

[BlooBoy]

When his name is not mentioned once on the BBC highlights commentary, you don't need to be there to know he's done feck all..

Howie..

And that sums you up perfectly Saxo ... ...get back to BBC stats Saxo..at least they were erm ..sort of credible ...ish

Did they erm blank his name out when he scored ....?

[Stuart]

Sorry Tyrone but that's just Bunkum.

Shearer and Sutton aside, he'd have played in most Rovers sides in my lifetime.

Can you imagine Rhodes with Wilcox and Ripley supplying the service?

Rhodes playing alongside Bellamy, or playing with Tugay or Berkovic pulling the strings.

He's scoring 20 goals in a poor side!

Bob on.

[riverside returns]

Good post Stuart, alongside Jansen he would have been unstoppable

[mustard]

It's not all his fault, but if he can't hold it up or run the channels that it will have an effect. We can't get forward as a team then.

As I said before, Lambert will praise him now whatever he wants to do with him. Silly to do anything else.

Selective memory Speedie. Gestede couldn't hold the ball up but he got a free ride, why's that? Because he's a big lump and some of our fans love big lumps.

Rhodes is better at holding the ball up than people think. Play the ball into his feet and he usually either draws a foul or plays a clever ball wide. Lumping the ball up to him is useless, but then again it was when Rudy/Brown played. I lost count of the number of times Rudy would flick the ball on to absolutely no one but because he was winning the headers, this was ignored.

A quick check of squawka stats disproves a good few arguments. For example, Gestede created just 5 more chances (43) than Rhodes (38) last season in 5 fewer games. His shooting accuracy was 39% compared to Rhodes's 45%. Rhodes's pass accuracy was much better at 73% compared to Rudy's 61%. Rudy may have won more headers but he won an average of 56% of aerial duels compared to Rhodes's 45% which I'm sure isn't the gulf you were expecting.

[Speedie Dived]

Selective memory Speedie. Gestede couldn't hold the ball up but he got a free ride, why's that? Because he's a big lump and some of our fans love big lumps.

Rhodes is better at holding the ball up than people thing. Play the ball into his feet and he usually either draws a foul or plays a clever ball wide. Lumping the ball up to him is useless, but then again it was when Rudy/Brown played. I lost count of the number of times Rudy would flick the ball on to absolutely no one but because he was winning the headers, this was ignored.

A quick check of squawka stats disproves a good few arguments. For example, Gestede created just 5 more chances (43) than Rhodes (38) last season in 5 fewer games. His shooting accuracy was 39% compared to Rhodes's 45%. Rhodes's pass accuracy was much better at 73% compared to Rudy's 61%. Rudy may have won more headers but he won an average of 56% of aerial duels compared to Rhodes's 45% which I'm sure isn't the gulf you were expecting.

Not comparing him to Rudy though. Neither of them could play over the top either.

[EgyptianPete]

My computer is saying no, so didn't pick up the previous comment, Rhodes is by far the best we have had in many a year, and as some are commenting in a bad team, he is solely responsible for where we are now, look at his goal tally, no wonder other teams covet him, seriously some on here need to get real, he WILL push us to the promised land along with our manager who is also THE REAL DEAL. no more mediocrity will be tolerated It seems.

[47er]

Spoke to many Preston fans yesterday, not 1 of them had a good word to say about Shaw from either a football or personal perspective.

In fact some of the stuff was pretty damning and not for a public forum.

Well you'd better have a word with your mate Tris then!

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Good post Stuart, alongside Jansen he would have been unstoppable

So you'd have left Andy Cole out for him ? Yeah right.

[mustard]

Not comparing him to Rudy though. Neither of them could play over the top either.

Well, Rudy is a lot of people's idea of a more complete striker and he is now playing Premier League football. We've not got the finances to lure in someone better than Rhodes so this argument is daft. Even if we sold him, I'm not sure where we'd look to for better. He's certainly one of the top strikers in this league and I'd rather have him over some of the dross leading the line for our rivals. I bet you'd struggle to name five Championship strikers you'd rather have instead of Rhodes.

Over summer there was a load of talk about selling Rhodes and buying Chris Wood. Seen him play a good few times over the years for both Leicester and Leeds and thought he was tosh most of the time. Strong and a good shot on him but offers little else. His squawka stats don't suggest he'd be any better either and neither does Leeds's points tally.

[mick]

Well, Stuart, it would seem that I'm not alone in being underwhelmed by Rhodes. However, I'm the only one you accuse of being churlish. Why is that?

I based my opinion on two live games and several watched on tv, as well as two friends who watch Rovers on a regular basis.

Players like Vardy at Leicester have shown a killer instinct. Rhodes seems to lack that. He just needs too many chances to finish. If that upsets you then I'm sorry.

[mustard]

Well, Stuart, it would seem that I'm not alone in being underwhelmed by Rhodes. However, I'm the only one you accuse of being churlish. Why is that?

I based my opinion on two live games and several watched on tv, as well as two friends who watch Rovers on a regular basis.

Players like Vardy at Leicester have shown a killer instinct. Rhodes seems to lack that. He just needs too many chances to finish. If that upsets you then I'm sorry.

Mick, I'd just like to congratulate you on one of the most ridiculous retorts in BRFCC history.

[Gav]

Well you'd better have a word with your mate Tris then!

Tris is no mate of mine...

[BlooBoy]

Well, Stuart, it would seem that I'm not alone in being underwhelmed by Rhodes. However, I'm the only one you accuse of being churlish. Why is that?

I based my opinion on two live games and several watched on tv, as well as two friends who watch Rovers on a regular basis.

Players like Vardy at Leicester have shown a killer instinct. Rhodes seems to lack that. He just needs too many chances to finish. If that upsets you then I'm sorry.

No one is saying hes Premier class....that is the point .Championship ...yes.