[Archived] The General Election 2015

[yoda]

That's a nice story, yoda, which shows you're probably more charitable than I might have been. But it sounds like you knew something (good) about him to trust him to stay. It would be great if everyone was able to trust each other without prejudice. But there we go.

Never met him before, he looked a bit rough but spoke well.

[Amo]

Isn't that what everyone does? And have you not read the articles about what goes on in Darfur and the like? We seem to be assuming that they are all "scum".

Don't put words into my mouth, I never said these people are 'scum'. I don't resent them for wanting to come here, but I do resent our governing bodies for making it far too easy for them. For starters we should be bringing in the armed forces and taking down their little base camps.

You are aware that illegal immigrants get deported immediately upon discovery, right?

No they're not. I've seen TV shows where illegals are found and told to report to the police station the next day. And do they? Do they heck.

[Guest]

Don't put words into my mouth, I never said these people are 'scum'.

I never said you called them scum. Stop being so defensive. Scroll back a few pages and you'll see that others have.

[yoda]

You would let someone live in your house that you don't know anything about? I think you're just being silly now!

The migrant crisis needs dealing with, but it's a tasty little side-story for the government when there are plenty of other things going on that they don't want you to think about. You suggest that France let these migrants through (which is complete conjecture without evidence). That's as much of a conspiracy theory as me saying that the UK government told France to let them through so that the country can focus on this fear-mongering!

What are you on about? Even if they migrants come in, are they going to be staying in people's houses? No! And nowhere have I said that they can come in. Stop trolling.

You are aware that illegal immigrants get deported immediately upon discovery, right? Or are you talking about asylum seekers who are rarely yet legitimately granted residence?

That definitely does not happen

[imy9]

Wrong Jim... I don't care a fig about skin colour as I've said many times. However I have very strong suspicions of muslims simply because we are frequently told that islam comes before nationality, and as we are frequently seeing that can be divisive and frequently proves a threat to any nation who have a significant %age of muslim citizens.

Events over my lifetime prove that I am wise to mistrust. If a dog bites you as a child you become wary of dogs throughout your life even though most possess a friendly disposition. That is the self preservation instinct, a natural reaction and a good thing. Doesn't mean that you spend your life running over every dog in the street or putting poisoned meat down all over the place does it?

As for the rest of you liberal loons stop continually falling back on the vapid and objectionable use of the racist card. imo it carries the stamp of the intellectually derelict and an admission of impending defeat in any debate. The term 'undesirable alien' should be adhered to and applied to all who cannot prove otherwise or who act in manner that is a threat to the peace, harmony and way of life of the citizens of this nation or who have no intention of adhering to the laws of the land. We have enough of our own who do that and require dealing withn without importing more.

You mentioned Irish? Fine, friendly and hard working as a rule but any with republican links along with any tinkers / gypsies who come here and bring their feral ways should be dealt with as undesirable aliens, receive short shrift and be sent packing.

Do you have a similar view about Jewish people? As the majority of them would class Israel as their home and being a Kew comes first, even if they were born in Britain and had a British passport.

Interesting your use of a dog as an example. A creature that is wild by nature and one that you can never truly trust not to attack a human. That's a well thought our analogy.

[Amo]

I never said you called them scum. Stop being so defensive. Scroll back a few pages and you'll see that others have.

"We seem to be assuming that all these people are scum..."

Who's this 'we'?

[Guest]

See last sentence of last post. +_+

[Amo]

See last sentence of last post. +_+

Irregardless, you were directing a post towards me when you made that comment. Whether you meant it or not, the implication was there.

[T J Hooker]

Flippin eck Phil, Talk about X-files! Are you now me or is this just an experiment of some kind

Really cant believe your trying to have a rational debate about an issue like this with them

[Guest]

Sorry, wasn't my intention. I should've said "some".

[Guest]

That definitely does not happen

I'll conceded that one, having looked around.

[ABBEY]

Flippin eck Phil, Talk about X-files! Are you now me or is this just an experiment of some kind😀

Really cant beliebe ypur trying to have a ratiional debate about an issue like this with them😵

Tj scouser always the victim it's never your fault

[Amo]

Really cant beliebe ypur trying to have a ratiional debate about an issue like this with them

That's easy for you to say.

[yoda]

Them and they, all the same to TJ

[ABBEY]

That's easy for you to say.

It's to be hoped it's easier for him to say , because he sure can't write it .

[T J Hooker]

You've finally got me

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

You would let someone live in your house that you don't know anything about? I think you're just being silly now!

The migrant crisis needs dealing with, but it's a tasty little side-story for the government when there are plenty of other things going on that they don't want you to think about. You suggest that France let these migrants through (which is complete conjecture without evidence). That's as much of a conspiracy theory as me saying that the UK government told France to let them through so that the country can focus on this fear-mongering!

What are you on about? Even if they migrants come in, are they going to be staying in people's houses? No! And nowhere have I said that they can come in. Stop trolling.

You are aware that illegal immigrants get deported immediately upon discovery, right? Or are you talking about asylum seekers who are rarely yet legitimately granted residence?

A tasty little side story? 2001-2011 saw the biggest percentage increase in population in England in the last hundred years. At the current rate 2011-21 is pretty much guaranteed to be bigger than that.

Increased population affects the transport network, housing, the environment, fuel and energy prices, and food/water requirements. If that's a tasty little side story then god knows what you consider important issues to be.

I'd suggest the absolute opposite of what you're claiming. You'd prefer talking about tasty little side stories like quasi-offensive things David Cameron has said because you don't want to think about any issue where a tough crackdown is required on any minority demographic.

[T J Hooker]

if we where going to get hard core as some are sugesting(ie. shoot em, detain them somewhere, blah blah..) then id prefer we rounded up all the real scum that we already have in our society in this country(serious sex offenders, dangerously violent people, all the serious criminals in our prisons, throw a few investment bankers, stock brokers and estate agents in for good measure) send them all packing or dispose of them in some way and replace them with those that are trying to enter our country to work hard and/or study.

I'm only being daft by the way, shame that some of the people that are suggesting we treat the immigrants/asylum seekers in this way probably aren't.

[thenodrog]

Isn't that what everyone does? And have you not read the articles about what goes on in Darfur and the like? We seem to be assuming that they are all "scum". Back to theno's point about a dog biting him and making him wary, that's all well and good, be wary! But treating the rest with absolute cynicism when they don't deserve it doesn't seem fair to me. Gingers have a reputation for being impatient, bad-tempered, etc. Therefore I'm sure he won't mind when others look at him (and me) with a cautious eye.

No I won't.... in fact I quite like it.

[thenodrog]

I'll conceded that one, having looked around.

Keep looking then and you'll concede a lot more.

btw I was once given an informed opinion that Sabden is a nice village but spoiled by the Padiham immigrants over the Bull bridge. Quite a parallel eh?

[thenodrog]

Do you have a similar view about Jewish people? As the majority of them would class Israel as their home and being a Kew comes first, even if they were born in Britain and had a British passport.

Interesting your use of a dog as an example. A creature that is wild by nature and one that you can never truly trust not to attack a human. That's a well thought our analogy.

Yes. However I don't believe Judaism is as big a threat to world peace as Islam.

Your definition of a dog could easily be applied to the more fundamentalist followers of Islam.

btw A topical example from just yesterday in Witton Park Blackburn. You said dogs are "creatures wild by nature that you can never trust not to attack a human". How about this then?

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/13506309.POLICE_APPEAL__Gang_of____armed____men_wearing_bandanas_rob_teenagers_in_Blackburn_park/

tbh I prefer a dog pack. At least they only hunt for food.

[imy9]

Yes. However I don't believe Judaism is as big a threat to world peace as Islam.

Your definition of a dog could easily be applied to the more fundamentalist followers of Islam.

btw A topical example from just yesterday in Witton Park Blackburn. You said dogs are "creatures wild by nature that you can never trust not to attack a human". How about this then?

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/13506309.POLICE_APPEAL__Gang_of____armed____men_wearing_bandanas_rob_teenagers_in_Blackburn_park/

tbh I prefer a dog pack. At least they only hunt for food.

So a follower of fundamentalist Islam is by their very nature prone to attack? From birth its instinctive like a dog? I'm trying to work out are you taking the pis# or do you actually believe what you are saying.

Btw a fundamentalist Israeli burnt an 18 month baby alive yesterday almost to the day a year ago when someone did the same in the west bank. Do I believe all Jews are a threat to the world? That would be idiotic and show me to be very bigoted against a group of people. Which by the way you clearly are.

Btw your link, are you saying that Asian lads beating up on someone shows them to be fundamental muslims or that they are thieving gits? No mention of Allah hu akbar when they attacked so your safe for now Drog.

Anyway back to the labour elections saw the potential leaders getting a grilling on LBC and Corbyn was the only one answering the questions in a straight forward manner. No bull just honest answers. A breath of fresh air. I really hope he gets in.

[yoda]

So a follower of fundamentalist Islam is by their very nature prone to attack? From birth its instinctive like a dog? I'm trying to work out are you taking the pis# or do you actually believe what you are saying.

Btw a fundamentalist Israeli burnt an 18 month baby alive yesterday almost to the day a year ago when someone did the same in the west bank. Do I believe all Jews are a threat to the world? That would be idiotic and show me to be very bigoted against a group of people. Which by the way you clearly are.

Btw your link, are you saying that Asian lads beating up on someone shows them to be fundamental muslims or that they are thieving gits? No mention of Allah hu akbar when they attacked so your safe for now Drog.

Anyway back to the labour elections saw the potential leaders getting a grilling on LBC and Corbyn was the only one answering the questions in a straight forward manner. No bull just honest answers. A breath of fresh air. I really hope he gets in.

So does every Tory in the land (and probably Sturgeon and the LibDems)

[imy9]

So does every Tory in the land (and probably Sturgeon and the LibDems)

He is a genuine alternative to Tory Lites that other labour party has as potential leaders.

I'm yet to see anyone challenge Corbyn on his policies. He has put forward a number of policies that even the Tories agree with like cheaper rail fares by nationalising the railways.

He is a man of principal, always has been. I respect that. As do clearly lots of other people.

[yoda]

David Cameron gets it in the neck for saying swarms of migrants are heading this way and then the BBC calls holiday makers a swarm and its ok

WTF

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-33737486