[Archived] The General Election 2015

[yoda]

He is a genuine alternative to Tory Lites that other labour party has as potential leaders.

I'm yet to see anyone challenge Corbyn on his policies. He has put forward a number of policies that even the Tories agree with like cheaper rail fares by nationalising the railways.

He is a man of principal, always has been. I respect that. As do clearly lots of other people.

The other candidates have challenged him, very strongly from the interviews I have seen

[Baz]

He is a genuine alternative to Tory Lites that other labour party has as potential leaders.

I'm yet to see anyone challenge Corbyn on his policies. He has put forward a number of policies that even the Tories agree with like cheaper rail fares by nationalising the railways.

He is a man of principal, always has been. I respect that. As do clearly lots of other people.

I doubt the Tories will ever go for re-nationalisation of the railways.

He may be a good man, and make sense on some things, but he's so far to the left, Labour stand pretty much zero chance of election under him. They need to think of a candidate that is electable. To be frank, Andy Burnham is the only one on the list who has a chance, but I still dont think he'll get the southern vote.

[Guest]

btw I was once given an informed opinion that Sabden is a nice village but spoiled by the Padiham immigrants over the Bull bridge.

"Informed" is whatever you want to believe it to be. It's never anything more than hearsay. Live here and you can be valid in your own opinion.

[Baz]

So when are we going to stop allowing our officials to "resign" (keeping their benefits/ pension) and actually dismiss them for inability to perform their role?

You know like would happen in normal life.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

So when are we going to stop allowing our officials to "resign" (keeping their benefits/ pension) and actually dismiss them for inability to perform their role?

You know like would happen in normal life.

I assume by officials you mean MPs or something similar.

In which case by contrasting it, I assume "normal life" probably means you're comparing it to the private sector.

Well if that's the case there is no comparison. Public sector workers have long been practically un-sackable compared to their private sector counterparts. By virtue of having far, far stronger unions and being answerable to the largely oblivious taxpayer as opposed to a scrupulous business owner.

[adopted scouser]

He is a genuine alternative to Tory Lites that other labour party has as potential leaders.

I'm yet to see anyone challenge Corbyn on his policies. He has put forward a number of policies that even the Tories agree with like cheaper rail fares by nationalising the railways.

He is a man of principal, always has been. I respect that. As do clearly lots of other people.

[K-Hod]

Labour need to rip up the rulebook and as others have alluded to, have somebody electable. The Tories currently have pretty much no opposition.....

[imy9]

He is a genuine alternative to Tory Lites that other labour party has as potential leaders.

I'm yet to see anyone challenge Corbyn on his policies. He has put forward a number of policies that even the Tories agree with like cheaper rail fares by nationalising the railways.

He is a man of principal, always has been. I respect that. As do clearly lots of other people.

https://theworldturnedupsidedownne.wordpress.com/2015/07/29/15-times-jeremy-corbyn-was-on-the-right-side-of-history/

[Baz]

I assume by officials you mean MPs or something similar.

In which case by contrasting it, I assume "normal life" probably means you're comparing it to the private sector.

Well if that's the case there is no comparison. Public sector workers have long been practically un-sackable compared to their private sector counterparts. By virtue of having far, far stronger unions and being answerable to the largely oblivious taxpayer as opposed to a scrupulous business owner.

MPs/peers and top business leaders who are allowed to resign in most cases keeping their benefits (public funded pension pots etc), rather than anyone else who would be sacked. Didn't mean anything regarding public/private sector.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Know its only one incident but he didn't come across very well in his channel 4 interview the other week:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOZZF5XCDBM

Moronic for referring to terrorist groups as friends, and then a bit of a bully for yelling at someone for asking him about it.

[thenodrog]

"Informed" is whatever you want to believe it to be. It's never anything more than hearsay. Live here and you can be valid in your own opinion.

I have done.

[thenodrog]

Know its only one incident but he didn't come across very well in his channel 4 interview the other week:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOZZF5XCDBM

Moronic for referring to terrorist groups as friends, and then a bit of a bully for yelling at someone for asking him about it.

First time I've really seen him speak. No wonder the tories want him to win. If he's the best option for Labour they are in a serious tailspin. He's unkempt, possesses an extremely annoying personality with no authority or bearing. Effectively he will be a vote loser. No doubt Jim'll worship him.

[imy9]

Know its only one incident but he didn't come across very well in his channel 4 interview the other week:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOZZF5XCDBM

Moronic for referring to terrorist groups as friends, and then a bit of a bully for yelling at someone for asking him about it.

He didn't say they are my friends. He explains it clearly enough in the video but the presenter doesn't do himself any favours. Google the presenter he is notorious for asking daft questions.

The wider issue he was referring to is the Middle east piece process which clearly cannot happen without Hamas and Co involved.

[thenodrog]

How do you think that might happen imy when neither hamas nor hezbollah will recognise Israel? Bit of a non starter until they do surely?

[imy9]

How do you think that might happen imy when neither hamas nor hezbollah will recognise Israel? Bit of a non starter until they do surely?

How will that happen until Israel acknowledges that Palestine exists?

How will that happen until Israel stops occupying illegally occupying land?

How will that happen until it treats Israeli Arabs in the same manner as Israeli Jews?

However to even get started you need all parties to start talking. That's what Corbyn was saying.

For the record it won't happen until Israel has taken over a large part of the West Bank. Only when enough illegal land has been taken away from the Palestinians will the Israelis start negotiations.

[thenodrog]

I think you have therefore answered your own question.

[imy9]

I think you have therefore answered your own question.

Britain and US have the power to bring Israel to the table and get them to talk peace. Corbyn trying is a positive step forward.

[yoda]

Britain and US have the power to bring Israel to the table and get them to talk peace. Corbyn trying is a positive step forward.

Who else is going to be at that table ?

[imy9]

Who else is going to be at that table ?

Israel and the democratically elected Hamas?

[Guest]

I have done.

Can't say I've noticed any problems! Enjoying it here so far. Except the staring!

[yoda]

Israel and the democratically elected Hamas?

Well good luck with that kind of narative

[imy9]

Well good luck with that kind of narative

Well it's a fact. You can't say you want democracy in a region and then refuse to talk to the party that wins! They won a fair election, I don't agree with a number of things they do but they have a right to govern Palestine.

[yoda]

Well it's a fact. You can't say you want democracy in a region and then refuse to talk to the party that wins! They won a fair election, I don't agree with a number of things they do but they have a right to govern Palestine.

I know it's a fact, you just don't get it do you, what would you put on the invites,

USA, Great Britain, Israel, Hamas the democratically elected.

Do think that would go ahead ?

[imy9]

Yes it would, if as I said already US an UK were sat around that table.

Israel gets billions of pounds in aid from US, if they wanted to exert pressure to get this sorted they could.

Apartheid was ended when pressure was applied by a number of leading nations, the same could happen to Israel.

[yoda]

Yes it would, if as I said already US an UK were sat around that table.

Israel gets billions of pounds in aid from US, if they wanted to exert pressure to get this sorted they could.

Apartheid was ended when pressure was applied by a number of leading nations, the same could happen to Israel.

I meant the invites !

The narrative you are using makes it highly unlikely