[Archived] The General Election 2015

[imy9]

I meant the invites !

The narrative you are using makes it highly unlikely

Calling Hamas democratically elected? Doubt they would put that on the invites!

[yoda]

Calling Hamas democratically elected? Doubt they would put that on the invites!

I give up

[imy9]

I give up

Unless you understand the complexities of the Middle East, I would too.

[yoda]

Unless you understand the complexities of the Middle East, I would too.

Righty ho

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

He didn't say they are my friends. He explains it clearly enough in the video but the presenter doesn't do himself any favours. Google the presenter he is notorious for asking daft questions.

The wider issue he was referring to is the Middle east piece process which clearly cannot happen without Hamas and Co involved.

He refuses to answer the question in a direct manner because it would reflect terribly on him, and rightly so. I generally tend to disagree with the political position of the left, but I do respect it. However I have no respect whatsoever for views that would treat Hamas/Hezbollah amicably, that's an atrocious position to take, tolerant of violence, extreme racism and hatred.

And for the record he did say they are his friends, that's the whole point. His anger surrounds his inability to explain why he said it, but he absolutely did say it, look it up.

You may well be right about the peace process, but I strongly appose approaching the ultra-violent agitators of the conflict in a welcoming manner. Corbyn's attitude has a worrying semblance with the muppet Galloway describing his relationship with Saddam Hussain.

[imy9]

He refuses to answer the question in a direct manner because it would reflect terribly on him, and rightly so. I generally tend to disagree with the political position of the left, but I do respect it. However I have no respect whatsoever for views that would treat Hamas/Hezbollah amicably, that's an atrocious position to take, tolerant of violence, extreme racism and hatred.

And for the record he did say they are his friends, that's the whole point. His anger surrounds his inability to explain why he said it, but he absolutely did say it, look it up.

You may well be right about the peace process, but I strongly appose approaching the ultra-violent agitators of the conflict in a welcoming manner. Corbyn's attitude has a worrying semblance with the muppet Galloway describing his relationship with Saddam Hussain.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/587665/Labour-leadership-hopeful-Jeremy-Corbyn-attacked-calling-Hezbollah-Hamas-friends

It's an odd position for Western Media to take when US has had the taliban round for lunch (whilst they were be heading people and provided us with oil). We were friends with Saddam whilst he was gassing Kurds (which Corbyn protested against) UK has hosted many events for the Saudis who have done similar things too. Corbyn was co ordinating a conversation with two groups who hate one another and trying to bring about peace. How can that be a bad thing?

I thought you were referring to Israel initially, killing over 2000 Palestinians in 51 days Inc 500 kids. Occupying illegal lands and creating an apartheid system is what Israel has done. Google how they treat Ethiopian Jews in Israel or Gay people.

No single party is clean in this. Hamas, Israel, Hezbollah all have faults. However if we want the world to be a safer place then we need peaceful negotiations to end the Middle East crisis.

[ABBEY]

You should move there if you feel so strongly

[T J Hooker]

yea get back to where you belong Imy

[Guest]

You should move there if you feel so strongly

In the same way that you should move to Pune because you feel so strongly about Venkys. Come on, ABBEY. Why even say this? Everyone feels strongly about certain things, but it doesn't mean it's practical to move there.

[T J Hooker]

I do think Amarillo should move to the playboy mansion though

[imy9]

This is the real elephant in the room. People that are Muslim will never truly be accepted into Britain by some. Why do some young British Muslims feel a lack of belonging? This undercurrent of not being accepted. I talk to them every day and it saddens me.

I honestly don't know the answer but love my country as much as the next patriot.

Btw Abbey you are still on ignore. I don't want to talk to you so kindly stop quoting me.

[ABBEY]

yea get back to where you belong Imy

Nothing like you twisted you @#/? stirring muppet

In the same way that you should move to Pune because you feel so strongly about Venkys. Come on, ABBEY. Why even say this? Everyone feels strongly about certain things, but it doesn't mean it's practical to move there.

Totally different but you know that

This is the real elephant in the room. People that are Muslim will never truly be accepted into Britain by some. Why do some young British Muslims feel a lack of belonging? This undercurrent of not being accepted. I talk to them every day and it saddens me.

I honestly don't know the answer but love my country as much as the next patriot.

Btw Abbey you are still on ignore. I don't want to talk to you so kindly stop quoting me.

The Muslims who live the British lifestyle most have no problem with . It's the ones who let fireworks off in celebration of 911 , those who support terrorism and wear veils that are the problem . Oh look I quoted you

[T J Hooker]

you have to admit Imy the cultural differences between Muslims and non muslims especially in working class places like Blackburn(even more so with males) are so different it makes it very hard to really socialize together, the religion of islam simply forbids muslims from doing a lot of things that non muslims(or just non religious) people like to do socially(or also you could say we like to do the same things but in different ways)

I work alongside quite a few Asian Muslims of all ages and get along with them well, just the same as I do with everybody else whilst at work but when they start talking about their personal lifes outside of work I just think 'no thanks' pretty much everything they tell me boils down to their religion in some way and although I respect them and like them as people I cant get on board with their believes and practises.

[imy9]

you have to admit Imy the cultural differences between Muslims and non muslims especially in working class places like Blackburn(even more so with males) are so different it makes it very hard to really socialize together, the religion of islam simply forbids muslims from doing a lot of things that non muslims(or just non religious) people like to do socially(or also you could say we like to do the same things but in different ways)

I work alongside quite a few Asian Muslims of all ages and get along with them well, just the same as I do with everybody else whilst at work but when they start talking about their personal lifes outside of work I just think 'no thanks' pretty much everything they tell me boils down to their religion in some way and although I respect them and like them as people I cant get on board with their believes and practises.

I see where you are coming from. I think if we focus on what we have in common as opposed to what our differences are then things would be better.

Apart from clubbing or going to a pub there are not many places I don't go. (To be fair I have had my share of pub lunches). Also I think you'll find that kids that are 15/16 are for more acclimatised to Britain than say my parents were. Lots to be hopeful for.

[yoda]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/587665/Labour-leadership-hopeful-Jeremy-Corbyn-attacked-calling-Hezbollah-Hamas-friends

It's an odd position for Western Media to take when US has had the taliban round for lunch (whilst they were be heading people and provided us with oil). We were friends with Saddam whilst he was gassing Kurds (which Corbyn protested against) UK has hosted many events for the Saudis who have done similar things too. Corbyn was co ordinating a conversation with two groups who hate one another and trying to bring about peace. How can that be a bad thing?

I thought you were referring to Israel initially, killing over 2000 Palestinians in 51 days Inc 500 kids. Occupying illegal lands and creating an apartheid system is what Israel has done. Google how they treat Ethiopian Jews in Israel or Gay people.

No single party is clean in this. Hamas, Israel, Hezbollah all have faults. However if we want the world to be a safer place then we need peaceful negotiations to end the Middle East crisis.

You say no single party is clean but only highlight what yuou think Isreal has done wrong, why is that

[imy9]

You say no single party is clean but only highlight what yuou think Isreal has done wrong, why is that

Look back at the thread my solution was clear. You choose to cherry pick. Do I have to repeat the same post a number of times?

Edit, you deviated the other thread on respect, I answered this numerous tines on there

One final time. Israel needs to withdraw from Palestinian areas and stop illegally building on land. Hamas needs to acknowledge Israel as a state and stop firing rockets.

[yoda]

Look back at the thread my solution was clear. You choose to cherry pick. Do I have to repeat the same post a number of times?

Edit, you deviated the other thread on respect, I answered this numerous tines on there

One final time. Israel needs to withdraw from Palestinian areas and stop illegally building on land. Hamas needs to acknowledge Israel as a state and stop firing rockets.

Good lad, keep it up,

Then it might get resolved

[thenodrog]

Well it's a fact. You can't say you want democracy in a region and then refuse to talk to the party that wins! They won a fair election, I don't agree with a number of things they do but they have a right to govern Palestine.

Well they did provoke the Battle of Gaza in a power struggle against Fatah by kidnapping fatah officials and chucking one of em off a block of flats. Seems the brand of democracy frequently employed by ISIS tbh.

As for the palestinians who elected them.... you get the leaders you deserve.

[thenodrog]

I see where you are coming from. I think if we focus on what we have in common as opposed to what our differences are then things would be better.

Apart from clubbing or going to a pub there are not many places I don't go. (To be fair I have had my share of pub lunches). Also I think you'll find that kids that are 15/16 are for more acclimatised to Britain than say my parents were. Lots to be hopeful for.

Quite right, but why are so many intent on changing our British way of life, our laws and our customs? Effectively because we don't worship your god?

[Al]

Cameron in Singapore was cringe-worthy, particularly if you watch the footage: "London is not the place to stash your dodgy cash" and talking about "dirty money". Give me Tony Blair any day of the week over this guy.

And now our Prime Minister has decided that migrants are "a swarm". Sure, we want our borders protected from illegal incomers, but these are people running from bad conditions for a better way of life. They're not insects.

They are not Britain's problem either.

[Al]

You and that phrase. You're as bad as Al with his "disgusting", " ridiculous", "pathetic", et . Used so often that there's no yardstick to go off.

Ah yes. Your true colours. If a number if Muslims are terrorists, they all are. What about Irish people? Should we also have stopped them coming into the country because of the IRA?

Think you need to invest in a new board game. "Keep 'em Out" is so last century.

Some of the views and comments on here are atrocious.

Not "disgusting, ridiculous or pathetic"? Is "atrocious" a much more acceptable word then Phil?

[Al]

Isn't that what everyone does?

Yes but some of us go about it by earning a living not expecting it off the backs of others.

[Al]

Yes it would, if as I said already US an UK were sat around that table.

Israel gets billions of pounds in aid from US, if they wanted to exert pressure to get this sorted they could.

Apartheid was ended when pressure was applied by a number of leading nations, the same could happen to Israel.

Let's apply pressure to Palestine instead. Is that OK too?

[Baz]

Israel / Palestine reminds me so much of Northern Ireland, there is a thousand reasons for resentment and both sides favoured outcomes is directly opposed to the other.

They need to find the common ground of leaving the past behind and settle for peace which will benefit the people (yes people) on both sides.

If they can get some stability then the extremist views, politicians and parties being elected on both sides may eventually soften.

Theres some forward thinking needed here, Im just not sure either side is prepared to take the right steps.

[Mike E]

Israel / Palestine reminds me so much of Northern Ireland, there is a thousand reasons for resentment and both sides favoured outcomes is directly opposed to the other.

They need to find the common ground of leaving the past behind and settle for peace which will benefit the people (yes people) on both sides.

If they can get some stability then the extremist views, politicians and parties being elected on both sides may eventually soften.

Theres some forward thinking needed here, Im just not sure either side is prepared to take the right steps.

Spot on. The religiosity involved in this is why the extremes will be VERY difficult to soften.

I hate religion for this reason. It's more divisive than politics and is based on books written ages ago.