[Archived] The General Election 2015

[thenodrog]

Mmm, disaster of 3 successive election victories and repairing the damage of 19 years of Tory misrule .

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But then you knew that already Gordie.

Never mind your embittered opinion, truth is the history books tell us that the all important economy under New labour went from a sleek limousine in 96 to a worthless rust bucket fit only for the scrapheap after a major car crash caused by the incumbents being guilty of driving without due care and attention. No blame can be attached to anyone else when in 2008 after a full eleven years in power they ignored the signs and ran smack bang over the cliff edge. Even Blair seeking to emulate St Margaret by creating his own 'Falklands factor in Iraq backfired and there are still reverberations being felt.

tbh Every labour govt in my lifetime has ended as a basket case and damaged the country incredibly. Like the famous election poster, the truth is that 'Labour doesn't work'

[Mike E]

Mmm, disaster of 3 successive election victories and repairing the damage of 19 years of Tory misrule .

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But then you knew that already Gordie.

And now the Tories are repairing the economy that New Labour helped to screw. Selling off the gold reserves and nicking money off my Nan, they don't deserve to be in power.

Re: the earlier posts about Labour being unelectable, I have to agree.

With the SNP and UKIP having much more charismatic party leaders and taking a good portion of the Labour vote (hell, SNP wiped the floor in terms of seats), they never had much chance.

On top of that, a Tory-led government had helped an economy recover from from the crash which began under Labour rule. Whether Labour were actually to blame is neither here nor there as just association would hurt them.

Labour need Corbyn as a credible candidate to stand opposite the growing popularity of UKIP and to steal the left-vote from the SNP, Greens and Plaid Cymru.

[thenodrog]

Just as an aside has it ever come out exactly why that Chuka Umnuna was binned off so unceremoniously? Whatever dirty little secrets he has must be proper dirty.

[jim mk2]

Never mind your embittered opinion, truth is the history books tell us that the all important economy under New labour went from a sleek limousine in 96 to a worthless rust bucket fit only for the scrapheap after a major car crash caused by the incumbents being guilty of driving without due care and attention. No blame can be attached to anyone else when in 2008 after a full eleven years in power they ignored the signs and ran smack bang over the cliff edge. Even Blair seeking to emulate St Margaret by creating his own 'Falklands factor in Iraq backfired and there are still reverberations being felt.

tbh Every labour govt in my lifetime has ended as a basket case and damaged the country incredibly. Like the famous election poster, the truth is that 'Labour doesn't work'

You know this is all wrong - you've been shown so many times before with the various links I've provided from independent sources.

Why don't you ever read them ?

You've also managed to twist it from the original point - which was the disastrous Tory regime from 1979-97.

[thenodrog]

Which as I said allowed New Labour to inherit a very strong economy. A decade later it was in tatters. Gold reserves sold off for peanuts, pensions robbed and they still spewed it. Surely only a fool or a masochist like you would turn the other cheek, vote for them again and enjoy the ensuing smack in the gob?

[jim mk2]

Which as I said allowed New Labour to inherit a very strong economy. A decade later it was in tatters. Gold reserves sold off for peanuts, pensions robbed and they still spewed it. Surely only a fool or a masochist like you would turn the other cheek, vote for them again and enjoy the ensuing smack in the gob?

All incorrect - as has been shown to you countless times.

There's not point having a discussion if you're not willing to accept basic facts.

[Mike E]

All incorrect - as has been shown to you countless times.

There's not point having a discussion if you're not willing to accept basic facts.

Where are these links you've provided? I don't recall any that proved Theno right or wrong on anything.

[Baz]

Where are these links you've provided? I don't recall any that proved Theno right or wrong on anything.

Can you provide proof that the government is improving the economy?

Looks to me like we are far more in debt than when they got elected, and they keep downgrading their economic growth predictions.

Werent we meant to have paid back a large % of the debt by the end of the last parliament?

[Mike E]

Can you provide proof that the government is improving the economy?

Looks to me like we are far more in debt than when they got elected, and they keep downgrading their economic growth predictions.

Werent we meant to have paid back a large % of the debt by the end of the last parliament?

Just improvements in friends' businesses that's all. Just the impression I get.

However Labour DEFINITELY nicked some of my nan's pension pot and Brown definitely sold gold at rock bottom prices.

[Baz]

Just improvements in friends' businesses that's all. Just the impression I get.

However Labour DEFINITELY nicked some of my nan's pension pot and Brown definitely sold gold at rock bottom prices.

The London stock exchange lost £84 billion today.

National debt:

0.76 trillion in 2010

1.36 trillion in 2015

Data from here:

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_national_debt_chart.html

Interesting that the % of gdp that is national debt is still increasing, despite the chancellor and his media mates claiming how well they are doing.

[jim mk2]

Baz, Osborne borrowed more 2010-15 than every Labour govt in history combined. I provided links with the stats but the ninnies on here can't be bothered to educate themselves. There's a phrase, confirmation bias, or cognitive bias,in which people favour information that confirms previously existing beliefs or biases that neatly sums up many people. In other words, no matter how many times you prove what they are saying is a load of old twaddle, they keep on repeating it.

[thenodrog]

Pots and kettles eh?

[jim mk2]

See what I mean. ?

Everything he posts has been shown to be incorrect yet isn't willing to open his eyes.

[Mike E]

Baz, Osborne borrowed more 2010-15 than every Labour govt in history combined. I provided links with the stats but the ninnies on here can't be bothered to educate themselves. There's a phrase, confirmation bias, or cognitive bias,in which people favour information that confirms previously existing beliefs or biases that neatly sums up many people. In other words, no matter how many times you prove what they are saying is a load of old twaddle, they keep on repeating it.

You sat that like you DON'T do it...

[Baz]

You sat that like you DON'T do it...

What?

[K-Hod]

Jim and Gordon are the Labour and Tory equivalents of each other basically Baz, I think is what Mike is saying.

Though Gordon has got the roll eyes smiley on lockdown to be fair!

[Baz]

Jim and Gordon are the Labour and Tory equivalents of each other basically Baz, I think is what Mike is saying.

Though Gordon has got the roll eyes smiley on lockdown to be fair!

I look at them as Statler and Waldorf.

[thenodrog]

Jim and Gordon are the Labour and Tory equivalents of each other basically Baz, I think is what Mike is saying.

tbh I can't imagine Jim has EVER voted for another party no matter how inept the Labour Party is at the time, whereas I've voted for other parties and even abstained when I felt that would do more good. I frequently just play Devil's Advocate to his obvious left wing childhood indoctrination. I tease him constantly because he is such a soft target. It's like fishing in a barrell but it amuses me.

[Gav]

tbh I can't imagine Jim has EVER voted for another party no matter how inept the Labour Party is at the time, whereas I've voted for other parties and even abstained when I felt that would do more good. I frequently just play Devil's Advocate to his obvious left wing childhood indoctrination. I tease him constantly because he is such a soft target. It's like fishing in a barrell but it amuses me.

Having been on the site since the year dot your bravado knows no bounds!

Jim gives as good as he gets, has had you wound up like the proverbial cuckoo clock on several occasions resulting in you both being put on the naughty step for at least a month at time.

So let's not pretend it's all one way traffic my Tory friend

[K-Hod]

Point being Gordon, you're a lot more similar than you'd care to admit in my view!

[Mike E]

Precisely what I mean K-hod. I reckon Theno's 'pot and kettle' remark was an admission on his part as much as telling Jim.

[K-Hod]

It's all fun and games to me anyway Mike!

[jim mk2]

tbh I can't imagine Jim has EVER voted for another party no matter how inept the Labour Party is at the time, whereas I've voted for other parties and even abstained when I felt that would do more good. I frequently just play Devil's Advocate to his obvious left wing childhood indoctrination. I tease him constantly because he is such a soft target. It's like fishing in a barrell but it amuses me.

I enjoy a bit of intellectual banter but I see no teasing and anything funny in your posts - only ignorance.

Speculation about my upbringing and assumptions about the way I vote are both wide of the mark.

[Mike E]

I enjoy a bit of intellectual banter but I see no teasing and anything funny in your posts - only ignorance.

Speculation about my upbringing and assumptions about the way I vote are both wide of the mark.

So you don't vote left? Despite appearing to favour Labour?

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

What gets me is that we still have anti-austerity protests going on. Absolutely baffling, do these people want us to end up like Greece? Either we pay back what we owe or sooner or later we suffer total currency collapse.

The basic problem is the public sector aren't willing to go through the same hard times the private sector went through 6-7 years ago. And thanks to having vastly more powerful Unions they don't necessarily have to. Well good luck to them but personally I'm not voting for any party (i.e. Corbyn's Labour) that indulges this short-sighted self preservation.

It's about time government policy focused on generating money, rather than just manically spending it. Which means huge support for business and necessary spending cuts.